Tesla Hate Thread - oh and come seethe about EVs in general with me

[quaawaa]

Chinese EVs aren't doing so well.

BYD just laid off 100,000 employees:

BYD cuts 100,000 jobs, workforce down 10%, the new battleground for EV growth​

Adrian Leung
Mar 31, 2026 8:47 AM CEST


BYD 2025 revenue reaches 8039.6 billion yuan (1,123 billion USD), despite profit narrowing 19 %. Credit: CNC

BYD’s workforce fell to 870,000 employees in 2025, a reduction of roughly 100,000 people, or about 10 %, according to ifeng. The company attributed the decline to restructuring, efficiency improvements, and cost management measures rather than weakening demand. The reduction comes as automakers increasingly focus on operational efficiency as the next stage of EV competition.

Revenue and deliveries reach new highs​

BYD reported 8039.6 billion yuan (1,123 billion USD) in revenue for 2025, alongside 4.60 million vehicle deliveries, according to the NBD. Overseas deliveries reached approximately 1.05 million units, according to Sina reporting, marking the first time the company surpassed the 1-million-unit mark in exports.

Profit declines amid pricing pressure and investment​

Net profit totalled 326.2 billion yuan (45.6 billion USD), down around 19% year on year. The decline was attributed to pricing pressure in the domestic NEV market and continued investment in vehicle and battery technologies.

BYD maintained R&D spending of 634 billion yuan, reflecting ongoing development in electrification, battery systems, and charging infrastructure despite margin compression.

Overseas expansion supported by new battery technology​

BYD continued to expand internationally with a broader vehicle lineup and increasing export volumes. The company launched Blade Battery 2.0 with Flash Charging 2.0 on March 5, 2026. The system enables charging from 10 % to 70 % in about 5 minutes and from 10 % to 97 % in 9 minutes under standard conditions.

The rollout of flash charging infrastructure coincides with BYD raising its 2026 export target to 1.5 million vehicles, a 15 % increase from its earlier goal. The higher target reflects the company’s focus on overseas markets to support growth amid domestic competition.

The domestic market shows short-term fluctuations​

Domestic NEV sales declined 41 % in February 2026, according to CarNewsChina, primarily due to seasonal factors linked to Chinese holidays. The decline occurred before the rollout of Blade Battery 2.0, indicating short-term demand fluctuation rather than structural changes in product demand.

Expanded charging infrastructure and new battery technology are expected to support more stable demand in the coming months.

Performance overview​

BYD’s 2025 results combine workforce reduction, revenue growth, and continued technology investment. Its position among the global top 10 automakers and the rollout of next-generation battery systems, alongside a higher export target, reflect simultaneous adjustments in cost structure and international expansion.

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and Tesla overtook them as the largest EV seller:

Tesla reclaims world's biggest BEV maker title from BYD in Q1 2026​

BYD's historic overtake in 2025 has been reversed for now.
Simon Alvarez
Apr 2, 2026



EVwire brief: Tesla reclaimed the global battery-electric vehicle lead in Q1 2026 by 47,634 units, reversing BYD’s historic 2025 overtake.
Tesla delivered 358,023 vehicles in Q1 2026, up 6.3% year-over-year.

BYD reported 310,389 BEV sales in the first quarter, a 25.46% decline.

The shift follows a pivotal change in 2025, when BYD became the first company to surpass Tesla in full-year pure BEV sales, reaching 2,256,714 units compared to Tesla’s 1,636,129.

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Thanks to vehicles like the Model S, then the Model 3 and now the Model Y, Tesla led global BEV sales consistently since the 2010s. With BYD’s shift to pure NEVs, however, the Chinese manufacturer started seeing rising BEV sales.

In 2024, Tesla delivered 1,789,226 vehicles, narrowly ahead of BYD’s 1,764,992 pure BEVs.


BYD’s BEV sales saw a sharp 25.46% decline in the first quarter

That balance shifted in 2025 as BYD’s BEV sales grew 27.9% year-over-year, while Tesla’s deliveries declined 8.6%. This marked the first annual lead change in the modern EV era.

Tesla and BYD’s Q1 2026 results indicate that global BEV leadership is now fluctuating.


The majority of Tesla’s sales is comprised of the Model 3 and Model Y

Tesla and BYD’s production scale and footprint​

BYD operates at a significantly larger scale than Tesla in terms of vehicle production, producing 4,545,423 passenger vehicles in 2025 across roughly nine major production bases in China, alongside expanding international plants in Brazil, Thailand, and Hungary. BYD produces both BEVs and plug-in hybrids.

Tesla, by comparison, produced 1,654,667 vehicles in 2025, with 1,600,767 units coming from the Model 3 and Model Y. Tesla’s manufacturing footprint is focused only on four factories in Fremont, Shanghai, Berlin, and Texas.


Tesla has significantly fewer factories compared to BYD

While BYD leads Tesla in raw manufacturing, Tesla continues to lead in per-unit profitability despite lower total volumes.

In 2025, Tesla generated approximately $7,564 in gross profit per vehicle, supported by higher global average selling prices.

BYD reported an automotive gross margin of 20.5%, but lower pricing resulted in roughly RMB 29,256 (about $4,250) in gross profit per vehicle. That’s about 43% less than Tesla’s margins.

Source: Tesla Investor Relations and BYD Production and Sales Volume Report

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[The Last Samurguy]

I went looking for an EV last year, right before the free taxmoney for good goy expired. I actually looked at a few Teslas. The prices for a used one were incredible, because liberal terrorism and all. Used car places are taking them in for trades then can't move them. Four of the five I looked at came pre-keyed on the lot (none of the damage was present in the listing photos.)

I didn't even test drive one. Just sitting in the Model 3 was so... bleak. I just viscerally hated it, the lack of controls, the fact even the speedometer was over on the stupid iPad on the center console. If any of them had the lifetime subscription to the self-driving bullshit on them I still might have considered one because the idea of dropping my ass off at the airport then parking itself at a hotel till I got back was funny, but I ain't paying $100/mo for lulz.

I ended up getting a BMW i3; I'd looked at and driven one a few years earlier and I love that thing. Was cheap; nobody wants an EV with the older gen toy car ranges. It's an electric go-kart with boomer cred that gets about 150 miles on a full charge (more like 120 if you use the heat or the AC) and it's a blast as a daily driver. My farthest drive is about 80 miles round trip 2-3 times a week, so the range is fine, and it's been 1/3-1/4th the cost of gas for those trips. (Even with electric prices doubling in 5 years it's still "cheap" here.) No special charging, I just use 20A 240v on a switch from the dryer, which is enough to fill it up from empty again overnight. I still have my old truck when I need to haul something or know I'm going farther than my range. (Or it's snowing. Toy car on motorcycle tires does not like the snow.)

Old people in Florida figured this shit out years ago; you have the golf cart to get your groceries, your sedan when you need to go a few hours out of town, and an entire goddamn house you welded onto a Greyhound chassis when you're going six states over to visit the grandkids.

 

[Thiletonomics]

BYD will attempt to sell their Denza Z9 GT wagon in Europe, but it will cost 115k Euros. ($135k USD) / Archive





Nothing about this car screams being worth $135k.

 

[Thiletonomics]

A fire broke out at a parking structure at BYD's Pingshan facility in Shenzhen. / Archive

BYD claimed that the structure was used to store test and scrapped vehicles, and that no one was injured, but expect the damage control to go VERY hard with this incident.

 

[<3 norafawn]

Uber (UBER.N) has committed more than $10 billion to buying thousands of autonomous vehicles ‌and taking stakes in their developers, breaking from its asset-light "gig economy" business model to avoid disruption from robotaxis, the Financial Times reported on Wednesday.

https://www.reuters.com/business/ub...-robotaxis-strategy-shift-ft-says-2026-04-15/ | (attached)

Mate, what kind of sick fucking society invests $10 billion into an unproven technology with absolutely no eta to market, let alone regulatory approval? Humans fucking suck.

EDIT: is archive.today broken? Attached an archive

 

[Burnt Effigy]

https://www.reuters.com/business/ub...-robotaxis-strategy-shift-ft-says-2026-04-15/ | A

Mate, what kind of sick fucking society invests $10 billion into an unproven technology with absolutely no eta to market, let alone regulatory approval? Humans fucking suck.

Uber lost money for 14 years straight and has investors desperately harassing it to find ways to make money, AVs are gonna happen one way or another, and since it's tech from third parties now, instead of Uber's tech, they shift any blame from accidents to their partners.

From a business perspective, it's probably their only choice. Especially with Musk and Pajeet SAAR eating into their margins in some cities with Robotaxi and Waymo.

 

[Thiletonomics]

BMW will stop selling the hideous iX EV SUV in the US.



Aside from politicians that push for unsustainable green car policies (and even they won't buy them), I don't know who the fuck the target audience is for this eyesore. Old school BMW fans won't touch it with a pole, techies won't like it because the screen is TOO SMALL, and Chinese cars undercut the shit out of this car. And the battery won't last long enough for this to depreciate hard enough that the Nissan VQ retard crowd would be able to afford one.

 

[Unimaginative Username]

AVs are gonna happen one way or another

I am pressing X to doubt so fucking hard.

 

[Burnt Effigy]

I am pressing X to doubt so fucking hard.

Not saying they'll be good, safe, good or even barely functional, but from a business perspective, it's like chasing the dragon.
You're cutting out the humans from the chain, and that's a massive impact on the bottom line. Remember that these people do everything for the money, damned be the consequences.

 

[Seethan Ralph]

BMW will stop selling the hideous iX EV SUV in the US.

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Aside from politicians that push for unsustainable green car policies (and even they won't buy them), I don't know who the fuck the target audience is for this eyesore. Old school BMW fans won't touch it with a pole, techies won't like it because the screen is TOO SMALL, and Chinese cars undercut the shit out of this car. And the battery won't last long enough for this to depreciate hard enough that the Nissan VQ retard crowd would be able to afford one.

This is obscenely ugly. This grotesque grille looks like from a cheap chink copy of X3 from 2000s.

For me personally, if I ever considered a fully electric car, it must have no downsides compared to gasoline/diesel vehicles:
- It must charge 10-90% in a matter of minutes, not hours, with plug compatible with vast majority of EV charging stations
- Battery must last 12-15 years
- Battery must not lose range across this time period
- Battery must survive cold winters
- Battery must not fucking explode and cause a fire thats a bitch to put out
- They must be cheap
- They must be easily serviceable
- They must be reliable

I don't need it to accelerate 0-100 in 2 seconds, I need a shitbox to commute or go to countryside at weekends.

 

[Susanna]

For me personally, if I ever considered a fully electric car, it must have no downsides compared to gasoline/diesel vehicles:
- It must charge 10-90% in a matter of minutes, not hours, with plug compatible with vast majority of EV charging stations
- Battery must last 12-15 years
- Battery must not lose range across this time period
- Battery must survive cold winters
- Battery must not fucking explode and cause a fire thats a bitch to put out
- They must be cheap
- They must be easily serviceable
- They must be reliable

I don't need it to accelerate 0-100 in 2 seconds, I need a shitbox to commute or go to countryside at weekends.

The only advantage they intend to give you is that petrol will be much too expensive to afford. You will drive the electric shitbox that barely has the range to get you to work, or you will ride the bicycle.

 

[Burnt Effigy]

This is obscenely ugly. This grotesque grille looks like from a cheap chink copy of X3 from 2000s.

For me personally, if I ever considered a fully electric car, it must have no downsides compared to gasoline/diesel vehicles:
- It must charge 10-90% in a matter of minutes, not hours, with plug compatible with vast majority of EV charging stations
- Battery must last 12-15 years
- Battery must not lose range across this time period
- Battery must survive cold winters
- Battery must not fucking explode and cause a fire thats a bitch to put out
- They must be cheap
- They must be easily serviceable
- They must be reliable

I don't need it to accelerate 0-100 in 2 seconds, I need a shitbox to commute or go to countryside at weekends.

Fun fact about the iX, on top of being relatively slow (for the horsepower/torque), inefficient and remarkably bad at charging for the price, it also has a fixed front hood with no way to easily open or hold it up.

You literally cannot repair it safely even if you wanted to.

 

[Thiletonomics]

Fun fact about the iX, on top of being relatively slow (for the horsepower/torque), inefficient and remarkably bad at charging for the price, it also has a fixed front hood with no way to easily open or hold it up.

You literally cannot repair it safely even if you wanted to.

Isn't that also the case with one of the Mercedes-Benz EQ models, and they even added a side panel just for refilling windshield washer fluid.

 

[Eadred]

Isn't that also the case with one of the Mercedes-Benz EQ models, and they even added a side panel just for refilling windshield washer fluid.

We will never find out since no one bought those hideous blobs

 

[Stella d'Oro]

- Battery must last 12-15 years
- Battery must not lose range across this time period
- Battery must survive cold winters

These three points alone are why, if you live in a cold climate, you shouldn't have an EV unless you have home charging. Being able to leave the car plugged in and pre-condition the battery and cabin is a huge boost to winter range and helps minimize battery degradation. While plugged in the car will heat the battery and cabin using power from the charging cable, not the battery.

- It must charge 10-90% in a matter of minutes, not hours, with plug compatible with vast majority of EV charging stations

This is one of the killers of battery packs - constantly fast charging. This is only hearsay and anecdotes gathered from forums and Reddit, but it seems like owners experiencing premature pack failures are always using public fast chargers. If you have to hit a DCFC for a level 3 charge every day you have the wrong vehicle and need to either get something with greater range or an ICE. Public fast chargers are almost comparable to gasoline in terms of cost per mile in some places, too.

Compatibility is less of an issue now, there's more cooperation between manufacturers and Tesla is opening their network up to more vehicles (adapter may be required). I keep a J1772 to NACS adapter in the frunk along with the 120v mobile power cord so I'm covered no matter where I am. I have a level 2 charger at home but I don't need a full charge every day, and If I didn't have one I could honestly get by with the mobile power cord and a 120v outlet.

Everyone has different needs, an EV works for me and my situation but it doesn't for everyone and that's why it shouldn't be mandated. Consumers should be free to buy whatever vehicle best fits their needs/budget/just because they want one.

 

[Burnt Effigy]

This is one of the killers of battery packs - constantly fast charging. This is only hearsay and anecdotes gathered from forums and Reddit, but it seems like owners experiencing premature pack failures are always using public fast chargers.

Fast charging causes more catastrophic pack failures due to the sudden stresses it causes on the battery, things like bonding wires being badly soldered and snapping, or pouch-style packs being badly compressed and piercing itself, but, surprisingly enough, it does not damage the electrolytes in the battery as much as people think.

What causes more damage is being held at a high state of charge for a while, temperature, and being unbalanced, but this underlines why EVs for city dwellers without a home charger make even less sense, as these are solved by keeping your car plugged in.

If you only DCFC/never leave it plugged in:
- You will never let the car balance the pack, risking cell drift that will destroy these cells
- If you're in a cold or hot climate, the electrolyte will get damaged as the active thermal management usually gets turned off when the pack contactors are disconnected
- Since you likely don't drive much, the battery is even likelier to stay at a high state of charge for a while, further damaging the electrolytes.

If you do have an EV (or solar system) even if NMC, you absolutely do have to bring it to 100% SoC every now and then, unbalanced cells are the silent killer of any battery system.

 

[Meriasek]

Renewatards are really liking the idea that EVs will be basically grid power storage, which would be fine since cars just sit around 90% of the time anyway. Who wants a car that they can't drive for several days because they're critical infrastructure when the sun doesn't shine, and wouldn't be charged anyway in that time?

 

[Altarfrog11]

Personally im not so in love with gas powered cars considering that you pay jews to get it running with fuel, but EVs are so faggot-coded and lithium batteries suck so much ass. I wouldn’t hate EVs as much if they werent all smart cars too. Fuckin screens everywhere with some shitty android based os.

 

[SchizoDaemon]

The only advantage they intend to give you is that petrol will be much too expensive to afford. You will drive the electric shitbox that barely has the range to get you to work, or you will ride the bicycle.

I have a 30 year old Diesel. These things can be run on veggie oil quite often. I should be getting a house soon, with a garden and a shed and I will have a go at running my old Diesel on veggie oil.

 

[jeff7989]

Stop calling normal cars ICE, fuel going bang and spinning the crankshaft is the de facto standard.

I have a 30 year old Diesel. These things can be run on veggie oil quite often. I should be getting a house soon, with a garden and a shed and I will have a go at running my old Diesel on veggie oil.

Hell, you can run it on oil you dump during changes, just dilute it.