Tesla Hate Thread - oh and come seethe about EVs in general with me

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Huawei & GAC have collaborated to create the Aistaland GT7, aka the "Definitely Not Porsche Panamera Sport Turismo at home":

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And Volvo has killed of the EX30, which is a reskinned Chinese EV, for the US market.

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I saw a twitter thread the other day from a guy who rented a Tesla. They were in a national forest and didn't have cell signal. They were locked out of their car because it requires internet connectivity between the phone and car to unlock and drive.
Tesla tards were calling him a moron because he didn't know that and or have the backup fob to unlock. Normal people were saying you shouldn't need a phone app or internet connection to use a car.
 
quaawaa said:
But....but...I was told that Chinese EVs were so far ahead of any Western car that every Western automaker would instantly go out of business if Chinese cars were allowed to be sold.

How can this be? This car should have been a best seller!
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When you compare chinese cars to chinese cars of a decade ago, the industry is infinitely better,

For example, SerpentZA has a few video about his old Chery car in china.
In most of them, you can clearly see the quality does not exist, the plastics are trash, the ergonomics are nonexistent, the safety features are there because they stole stamps from a toyota factory that just so happens to make EU spec cars. Chinese spec cars are usually way worse.




There is a clear mark from this past in ALL Chinese EVs, though, and it's one of the most common complaints: They feel like ABSOLUTE SHIT to drive.
- The steering is vague
- They have harsh, crashy suspensions
- And yet pretty extreme bodyroll
- The material feel is often pretty okay, yet the details (like the stitching on the steering wheel) are absolutely horrendous (It's very common for the "stitching" to dig into your fingers if you put them at 10 & 2.
- The infotainment is often deeper than Tesla's, yet less useful than Toyota's.

Why? Because the midwit gook only cares about how big it is, how powerful it is, and how much tech it has
It leads to absurd trash like this:

A car that would be approx $25,000 (at purchasing power parity) that has:
- a LIDAR at the top of the car
- Cameras everywhere
- More cpu power than flagship smartphones of 2 years ago
- Huge ass screen
- A glass roof
- Powered tailgate

And yet:
- No automatic climate (You have to fuck around with the screen all the time)
- No rear wiper
- Torsion beam rear suspension on a fucking suv
- And I guarantee you, everythign that looks good is terrible under the surface.



As an example of the horrible quality whenever you dig down a bit, here is a pole testing the resilience of the (Chery) Omoda 5's steering wheel.
He fucking rips it clean off, and you can see the steering shaft is just fucking destroyed. By a few shakes of what should hold up hard enough to support your whole upper body slamming into the airbag during a crash.




TL;DR: Chinese cars are not just shit to be in, but to drive at all. Comfort is thrown away entirely to promote "luxury" instead.
 
WSJ: Tesla Finally Has Its First Semi-Truck and It’s Already a Hit With Truckers

Evxl: Tesla Semi Wins Over Fleet Operators as WSJ Reports the Electric Class 8 Truck Is Already a Hit (archive)
The performance data coming out of early deployments has been consistent enough to take seriously. RoadOne IntermodaLogistics reported 1.9 kWh per mile hauling aluminum loads averaging 38,000 pounds between its Oakland facility and Tesla’s Fremont factory. ArcBest’s ABF Freight logged 4,494 miles at 1.55 kWh per mile during a three-week pilot. DHL averaged 1.72 kWh per mile on a 390-mile long-haul route at 75,000 pounds. Every figure beats the sub-2.0 kWh/mile threshold Tesla originally promised when it unveiled the Semi in 2017.

At 1.9 kWh per mile and typical commercial electricity rates, operators are looking at fuel costs somewhere between $0.20 and $0.30 per mile — though that figure depends heavily on regional electricity pricing, time-of-day tariffs, and whether a fleet charges on-site or at Tesla’s Megacharger network. Diesel trucks running similar routes average $0.60 to $0.80 per mile in fuel alone. That spread is hard to argue with once a fleet manager has seen it in their own operating data.
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Gadget Review: Tesla Semi Finally Hits the Road – And Truckers Are Actually Impressed

Teslarati: Tesla Semi’s latest adoptee will likely encourage more of the same - March 3

Forbes: Tesla’s Semi Is Finally Hitting The Road. The Timing Couldn’t Be Worse (archive) - February 5

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Anyone following the Tesla Semi? WSJ was hyping it up.
 
The Mass Shooter Ron Soye said:
Anyone following the Tesla Semi? WSJ was hyping it up.
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Pretty much just a big EV, with all the same up/downsides. Price being the worst of it.

The range is not as affected by weight as people think, aero is the biggest factor, which is why it looks so fucked up from the front. 300 (read: 200) or 500 (read, 330) miles of range 100->0%. 30m charge at special truck chargers. The thing is not made for long hauling.

It's cabin is not made for living but is not compact like a cabover would be, so pretty much the downsides of both on that front.

For what it is, which is short range/regional delivery, it's probably serviceable.

What I'm curious is the impact on the battery in winter. Cold batteries have worse peak power delivery, meaning worse engine power overall, either it burns kilowatts keeping itself warm, or you aren't moving anything over a few tons.
 
The preview models they built for Pepsi had serious reliability issues, but that's all Teslas.
 
Burnt Effigy said:
There is a clear mark from this past in ALL Chinese EVs, though, and it's one of the most common complaints: They feel like ABSOLUTE SHIT to drive.
- The steering is vague
- They have harsh, crashy suspensions
- And yet pretty extreme bodyroll
- The material feel is often pretty okay, yet the details (like the stitching on the steering wheel) are absolutely horrendous (It's very common for the "stitching" to dig into your fingers if you put them at 10 & 2.
- The infotainment is often deeper than Tesla's, yet less useful than Toyota's.

Why? Because the midwit gook only cares about how big it is, how powerful it is, and how much tech it has
It leads to absurd trash like this:

A car that would be approx $25,000 (at purchasing power parity) that has:
- a LIDAR at the top of the car
- Cameras everywhere
- More cpu power than flagship smartphones of 2 years ago
- Huge ass screen
- A glass roof
- Powered tailgate

And yet:
- No automatic climate (You have to fuck around with the screen all the time)
- No rear wiper
- Torsion beam rear suspension on a fucking suv
- And I guarantee you, everythign that looks good is terrible under the surface.
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This is what happens when you want fancy for cheap. Also worth mentioning that all the bells and whistles will fall apart and cause expensive headaches. Normies have 0 idea how much of a pain/expensive it is to deal with this stuff.

No automatic climate control is fine. On something that cheap, the actuator motors will 100% be a common failure point and they'll be buried in the dash and require expensive labor to replace. Just don't put it in a fucking screen like that retarded nigger Elon Musk, give us the 3 basic knobs like the good lord intended. The EU is right to legislate that garbage away. In fact, cap the size of ALL screens to the old Double DIN size and forbid them from elevating screens over the dash. Will reduce distracted driving heavily.

Torsion beam suspensions are also fine, that's how you get more cargo space (Look at what Honda did on the Fit to get their absurdly high cargo space. And those cars handle really well despite the basic suspension design. The problem is when your engineers don't care enough to make something good out of it).

I don't care if a car is gas, hybrid, or electric. A base model is a based model. Hence why the only mass market EV in the US that I have any respect for is the Nissan Leaf. The only relatively basic and unpretentious one we have other than maybe the Fiat 500E (although the compliance cars of 15 years ago also did this well enough).

I will fucking die on this hill. Make cars basic again and require them to be designed for serviceability. Make a testing bureau that gives a serviceability score like crash testing. Rate them on shit like how good physical access is, how many special tools are required for jobs within the purview of the average tech or DIYer (engine, transmission, brakes, suspension, electrical components needing special equipment beyond a bidirectional scan tool for calibration, like Radar or Lidar aiming for example), are there physical dipsticks for the engine and transmission, how much control is locked behind screens, all that shit. And like crash testing and emissions, if they score too low, the car should not be eligible for sale. Serviceability is sustainability, not some gay greenwashing garbage an HR foid will yell at you in a diversity meeting. Right to repair and consumer rights of ownership both need serious strengthening for this reason. Another thing I would do if made hypothetical head of the FTC is require that OEMs must either furnish parts for all products they sell or make them freely available for aftermarket production. If they wish to discontinue a part, then they MUST open source it so anyone else can make it.
 
Michael McDoesntexist said:
No automatic climate control is fine. On something that cheap, the actuator motors will 100% be a common failure point and they'll be buried in the dash and require expensive labor to replace. Just don't put it in a fucking screen like that retarded nigger Elon Musk, give us the 3 basic knobs like the good lord intended. The EU is right to legislate that garbage away. In fact, cap the size of ALL screens to the old Double DIN size and forbid them from elevating screens over the dash. Will reduce distracted driving heavily.
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It would be perfect if the car had no screen and servo-actuated vents, as it is, it's clearly just separated in software to differentiate it from the "higher tier" cars, they already need thermometers outside and inside to stop the hvac systems when it reaches the desired temps, to know how hard to pump depending on the temperature delta, etc.

Disabling such a feature which is basically the one thing making screen-as-hvac-control bearable is a real insult.

Michael McDoesntexist said:
Torsion beam suspensions are also fine, that's how you get more cargo space (Look at what Honda did on the Fit to get their absurdly high cargo space. And those cars handle really well despite the basic suspension design. The problem is when your engineers don't care enough to make something good out of it).
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Fair, but that also depends on car weight a lot, the A10 is at least 500lbs heavier curb weight (And the fit is known for bodyroll), top spec is close to 750lbs more. Imagine a 1000-lbs-heavier honda fit, that's roll city.

Michael McDoesntexist said:
Make cars basic again and require them to be designed for serviceability.
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AFAIK the only EV even attempting that is Slate. And given the Bezos cash, I don't doubt even that will be a privacy nightmare somehow.
I suppose relying on decade old cars is pretty much all that's left for really serviceable vehicles, sadly.
 
Burnt Effigy said:
air, but that also depends on car weight a lot, the A10 is at least 500lbs heavier curb weight (And the fit is known for bodyroll), top spec is close to 750lbs more. Imagine a 1000-lbs-heavier honda fit, that's roll city.
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The body roll isn't as bad as people say. Remember, these cars are popular in amateur racing and people push them pretty hard even stock without roll (the SCCA and other autocross groups will ban cars with a high rollover risk). I've driven Fits in those environments myself since I used to own one. The first 2 gens you can't really feel it much on. The 3rd gen has a bit more, but it's still not bad. Plus there are rear sway bars readily available that make it feel so much better.
Burnt Effigy said:
AFAIK the only EV even attempting that is Slate. And given the Bezos cash, I don't doubt even that will be a privacy nightmare somehow.
I suppose relying on decade old cars is pretty much all that's left for really serviceable vehicles, sadly.
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The fact that this cheap EV still has screens tells me that it's a Trojan horse. Also a model made to be cheap should have basic things like user serviceable bulbs on all exterior lights, not those integrated LEDs (those housings are fragile, expensive, and the LEDs never last as long as consoomers claim). Same with that other EV pickup thing that's gaining traction, the Telo (I may be mistaken on the name. The one Aging Wheels reviewed the prototype of). Also crew cab pickups are not trucks, they're mall crawlers (same problem the Ford Maverick has). Give me back my glorious extended cab with the half doors out back dammit. The only good relatively modern and appropriately sized pickup available here in the past decade was the D40 Nissan Frontier. "But it's an old, outdated design..." GOOD. Trucks SHOULD be basic with long production runs.
 
South Korea's Government is proposing changes to disclose the battery manufacturer and country of origin with EVs. / Archive

In Korea, there were 334 reported EV fires in a 1 year period from last year to yesterday, up from 270 fires from last year. Again, the EV fires numbers seem to be never talked about, but ICE car fires instantly get to the top of headlines.

And Chinese EVs were once again not reported in this year's China 315 Gala, and automakers even blocked EV owners from reporting about their car's issues:


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indomitable snowman said:
I saw a twitter thread the other day from a guy who rented a Tesla. They were in a national forest and didn't have cell signal. They were locked out of their car because it requires internet connectivity between the phone and car to unlock and drive.
Tesla tards were calling him a moron because he didn't know that and or have the backup fob to unlock. Normal people were saying you shouldn't need a phone app or internet connection to use a car.
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I thought the Tesla app used bluetooth to unlock the car not a relay to some far off server
 
Thiletonomics said:
South Korea's Government is proposing changes to disclose the battery manufacturer and country of origin with EVs. / Archive
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That's gonna be radically fought by LG.

Except for Japan and America, where most non-gook batteries are Panasonic, almost all EV batteries around have LG cells.
LG Cells are notoriously shit, they have high internal resistance, they degrade fast, do not tolerate temperatures outside of basically room temp, have worse peak power, and have terminals which are known for bad welds.

Xitter / Archive
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If it gets known that most of the battery fires you see around are partially due to LG's shit cells, that's gonna hit their bottom line bad.
 
I like how Teslas are dead giveaways that even the 'smartest, most successful' people are as prone to being drones as anyone else. Like listening to some investor for an hour only for him to go "Oh yeah I buy tesla, apple, google and microsoft". Nah bro surely Tesla shows up and makes the best e-vehicle compared to those going on hundreds of years of experience.
 
⋖ cørdion ⋗ said:
I like how Teslas are dead giveaways that even the 'smartest, most successful' people are as prone to being drones as anyone else. Like listening to some investor for an hour only for him to go "Oh yeah I buy tesla, apple, google and microsoft". Nah bro surely Tesla shows up and makes the best e-vehicle compared to those going on hundreds of years of experience.
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Tesla's main product is its stock.

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If you figured out that everything Elon Musk does is built on lies and misdirection in 2018 and started shorting the stock, you are now broke. Maybe Elon's true talent is knowing what to tell investbros to make them think he's the oracle of humanity's future.
 
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