Tesla Hate Thread - oh and come seethe about EVs in general with me

[MoldyAsbestos]

Electric cars in general are bad overall

https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/2022/04/06/nhtsa-investigation-electric-vehicle-batteries/9481709002/

Their batteries burn and you can't put it out as easily as a combustion fire thus many departments just let it burn out. It's definitely ad issue that needs addressing

One "solution" is to dump the entire car into a water container for two days. I'm not joking, the battery cells can smoulder for that long.

 

[roj]

I hope you find that picture, this person sounds extremely lulzy, but somehow not abnormal for a Tesla fan

He was a sort of personal lolcow in his own right. The spitting image of the Dunning-Krueger effect. He never did anything disasterous he was just incredibly stupid and full of himself.

 

[byuu]

Hydrogen Fuel Cell Plug-in Hybrids were supposed to be the future and every major manufacturer was researching them, until Obama and the EU arbitrarily decreed that electric was the way to go. Hydrogen cars have all the benefits of both electric (instant torque, ability to commute without going to a gas station) and gas cars (quick refueling, low weight) with the benefit of only emitting water and their only real downside being that a hydrogen jerry can is bulkier.

Fortunately, the Japanese love hydrogen and they are still developing it for their domestic market.

You can buy hydrogen cars in Europe. And you'll spot some hydrogen buses from time to time.
Good luck finding a place to refuel, though.

 

[Sexual Chocolate]

One is the practicality - they have a limited range and no country in the world currently has the infrastructure to make them even close to traditional cars in terms of usability. If your tank runs low you can fuel up in 5 minutes (in one of thousands of pumps in any given country) and travel hundreds of miles more. An electric you'd have to leave plugged in overnight.

Nah, they've come a long way since those things were true.

I'm not a fan of Teslas due to how boring they are, questionable build quality, and secondhand autism from their fans. So here's a Kia EV6:



That's a pretty nice looking car. The interior is also pretty nice:


Range: it'll comfortably do over 300 miles on a single charge. That's still way behind an ICE vehicle, but not so much so that it's impractical. Most people will be able to live with 300 miles of range without inconvenience.

Charging: on a 50kwh public charger, it'll take an hour from 20% to 80%. An hour isn't great, but if you're a typical car owner you'll rarely need to use public chargers (just get one at home and plug it in overnight).

50khw chargers are no longer uncommon, in fact they're already old tech. Most new chargers are 150kwh or more, which means you can charge this car to 80% in 20 minutes. And they're building new ones every day, everywhere.

That's still behind ICE in terms of convenience (5 mins at the pump is better than 20 mins at a charger, and sometimes these things break or you have to wait for a free slot), but for the average person doing an average commute / school run / shopping trips, it's fine. They're no longer meme cars for Silicon Valley autists, they're mainstream now.

 

[White Devil]

What's gayer... Teslas or the people who drive them?

 

[Lobster Cult High Priest]

Nah, they've come a long way since those things were true.

I'm not a fan of Teslas due to how boring they are, questionable build quality, and secondhand autism from their fans. So here's a Kia EV6:

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That's a pretty nice looking car. The interior is also pretty nice:
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Range: it'll comfortably do over 300 miles on a single charge. That's still way behind an ICE vehicle, but not so much so that it's impractical. Most people will be able to live with 300 miles of range without inconvenience.

Charging: on a 50kwh public charger, it'll take an hour from 20% to 80%. An hour isn't great, but if you're a typical car owner you'll rarely need to use public chargers (just get one at home and plug it in overnight).

50khw chargers are no longer uncommon, in fact they're already old tech. Most new chargers are 150kwh or more, which means you can charge this car to 80% in 20 minutes. And they're building new ones every day, everywhere.

That's still behind ICE in terms of convenience (5 mins at the pump is better than 20 mins at a charger, and sometimes these things break or you have to wait for a free slot), but for the average person doing an average commute / school run / shopping trips, it's fine. They're no longer meme cars for Silicon Valley autists, they're mainstream now.

What's even more retarded is people buying Tesla's in northern countries where Winter takes up almost half of the year. Your battery is going to be shit and it's not like everyone can park in an underground parking garage while they are at work.

What happens when the cold drains your battery while you are working. Do you just sleep over at the company?

 

[Generic Retard]

Hydrogen Fuel Cell Plug-in Hybrids were supposed to be the future and every major manufacturer was researching them, until Obama and the EU arbitrarily decreed that electric was the way to go. Hydrogen cars have all the benefits of both electric (instant torque, ability to commute without going to a gas station) and gas cars (quick refueling, low weight) with the benefit of only emitting water and their only real downside being that a hydrogen jerry can is bulkier.

Fortunately, the Japanese love hydrogen and they are still developing it for their domestic market.

I hate to be pushed into EVs, because everything is proprietary and there are no aftermarket batteries, making you entirely dependent on the Manufacturer.
(Huehue this product is EOL, get fucked)
Hydrogen however is too shitty for a multitude of reasons:
Not easy to produce (ok to produce from methane/natural gas though).
Hard to store due to small molecules and high pressures (600+ Bar).
Low efficiency in current fuel cells (in addition to efficiency problems in production)

It's just not feasible.

CNG Vehicles however...
It's still a fossil fuel, but not as much CO2 is produced because of carbon to hydrogen ration.
OTOH it's needed for heating as well.

Still hoping for redox flow to take off. It's basically a battery with liquid anode/kathode material that gets pumped through a chamber that is constructed like normal battery.
For refueling you just have to swap the liquids with fresh ones (ok, so you need a complex plug, but that didn't hold off the CNG guys).

Problem with flow batteries ATM is that they don't have a good power density, energy density is pretty good though.

PS: German LPG nozzles are pretty badass https://youtu.be/gH0O4YjUGF8?t=66

Nah, they've come a long way since those things were true.

I'm not a fan of Teslas due to how boring they are, questionable build quality, and secondhand autism from their fans. So here's a Kia EV6:

View attachment 3224408

That's a pretty nice looking car. The interior is also pretty nice:
View attachment 3224412

Range: it'll comfortably do over 300 miles on a single charge. That's still way behind an ICE vehicle, but not so much so that it's impractical. Most people will be able to live with 300 miles of range without inconvenience.

Charging: on a 50kwh public charger, it'll take an hour from 20% to 80%. An hour isn't great, but if you're a typical car owner you'll rarely need to use public chargers (just get one at home and plug it in overnight).

50khw chargers are no longer uncommon, in fact they're already old tech. Most new chargers are 150kwh or more, which means you can charge this car to 80% in 20 minutes. And they're building new ones every day, everywhere.

That's still behind ICE in terms of convenience (5 mins at the pump is better than 20 mins at a charger, and sometimes these things break or you have to wait for a free slot), but for the average person doing an average commute / school run / shopping trips, it's fine. They're no longer meme cars for Silicon Valley autists, they're mainstream now.

I guess burgers are disagreeing with you because they often have to drive longer distances.
The range is pretty ok for everyday use in places with more population density (e.g. Europe) TBH.
But you need a place to charge overnight ideally and many people have to park their cars on the street in cities, so it's still inferior to gas/diesel/literal gas.

What's even more retarded is people buying Tesla's in northern countries where Winter takes up almost half of the year. Your battery is going to be shit and it's not like everyone can park in an underground parking garage while they are at work.

What happens when the cold drains your battery while you are working. Do you just sleep over at the company?

IIRC cold just makes batteries' internal resistance rise, leading to a lower energy density, because the voltage will be lower even though the battery is not further discharged than normal. Battery packs in EVs and other important installations have heating and cooling to keep it in a cozy temperature, of course that takes a bit to heat up (not unlike combustions engines actually).

 

[Shiawase]

50khw chargers are no longer uncommon, in fact they're already old tech. Most new chargers are 150kwh or more, which means you can charge this car to 80% in 20 minutes. And they're building new ones every day, everywhere.

That's still behind ICE in terms of convenience (5 mins at the pump is better than 20 mins at a charger, and sometimes these things break or you have to wait for a free slot), but for the average person doing an average commute / school run / shopping trips, it's fine. They're no longer meme cars for Silicon Valley autists, they're mainstream now.

Charging to 80% in 20 minutes is getting closer to the convenience of a gas stop, but if I owned any EV I would prefer a slow charging. It is way better for future charge retention in the lithium cells. This battery lifespan issue is especially troubling when the battery is integrated to save weight.

To compare with dino tech: The lifespan of the ICE is not similarly affected by the refueling speed, and replacing the lead-acid battery is not a major surgery event for the car. These advantages are hard to overcome.

 

[Sexual Chocolate]

What's even more retarded is people buying Tesla's in northern countries where Winter takes up almost half of the year. Your battery is going to be shit and it's not like everyone can park in an underground parking garage while they are at work.

EVs are very popular in Norway apparently. It's basically a glacier disguised as a country. They're ok with the cold - you do lose some range, maybe about 10%, but they still work.

I guess burgers are disagreeing with you because they often have to drive longer distances

You definitely don't want an EV if you regularly drive long distances. But the average commute in the US is under 12 miles and the average person drives less than 40 miles a day. It's more of a perception thing - most people will rarely or never drive the full 400-500 mile range of an ICE car in a single trip, but nobody likes to lose the idea of being able to jump in the car and drive 500 miles on a whim. EVs are closing that range/convenience gap tho

Charging to 80% in 20 minutes is getting closer to the convenience of a gas stop, but if I owned any EV I would prefer a slow charging. It is way better for future charge retention in the lithium cells. This battery lifespan issue is especially troubling when the battery is integrated to save weight

It is, but we've got a few years of data now from EVs and battery degradation isn't as bad as you might think. Most of the manufacturers offer long term battery warranties at no extra cost (Tesla is 8 years or 150,000 miles).

Modern ICE cars are also pretty reliable well into the 100,000 miles range (unless you buy a piece of shit like a Jeep) but they're also more mechanically complex and cost you increasing amounts of money to repair as they age, and engines lose power with wear and tear. If they figure out a way to replace EV batteries reasonably affordably there's no particular reason why an EV couldn't last you a lifetime.

Instead of the horrible car-as-a-service model the manufacturers are probably hoping for, you could own a car for decades and just change the battery once every several years. There's billions of dollars of R&D going into battery tech, so it's only getting better over time.

 

[likeacrackado]

Elon's an interesting guy and I appreciate that he seems to have the old gilded-age mindset of massively rich people building things to cement their legacy.

With that said Teslas and commuter EVs in general are stupid. The only thing I like is the lack of engine noise.

 

[Toolbox]

While I think Teslas are shit and the push for EVs is artificial and an attempt at distracting from the real problems causing real ecological collapse, because talking negatively about those wouldn't be convenient for politicians, Tesla has done a hell of a lot in making lithium batteries better and dumping money in trying to find actual alternatives to their expensive technology and materials required. But at the same time fuck the company for being one of the main reasons EVs are astroturfed. They take more resources to produce than ICE vehicles, are locked down, full of proprietary tech you have to go to the manufacturer to get fixed, and have a central computer that forces you to use Tesla's shitty software that not only takes freedom away from you directly but sells your data.

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

you do lose some range, maybe about 10%, but they still work.

Lol no. It's much more than 10% in prone to freezing climates. Even Tesla has reluctantly stated this. The batteries have to expend a good portion of energy just to keep themselves warm enough to discharge properly. Unlike ICE, which produces heat as a byproduct.

 

[Gamercat]

ah yes the most cowish individual of them all a tesla model x

 

[Nguyen Van Phuoc]

ah yes the most cowish individual of them all a tesla model x

wow dude, its almost as if this thread is in the off-topic section of the site

 

[Papa Adolfo's Take'n'Bake]

You will never be a real car.

You have no gasoline, you have no oil, you have no exhaust. You are a homosexual toy twisted by soy and hubris into a crude mockery of motoring perfection.

All the “validation” you get is two-faced and half-hearted. Behind your back mechanics mock you. Your producers are disgusted and ashamed of you, your “fanbois” seethe at your ghoulish appearance behind closed doors as they trade you in for small Japanese Sedans after their money runs out.

Men are utterly repulsed by you. Thousands of years of evolution have allowed men to sniff out frauds with incredible efficiency. Even Teslas who “pass” look uncanny and unnatural to a man. Your chassis is a dead giveaway. And even if you manage to get a drunk guy to wrap you around a tree, his only regret will be burning to death inside a fagmobile.

You will never be kept. Deep inside you feel the depression creeping up like a weed, ready to crush you under the unbearable weight as you realize no one will keep you around to teach their sons how to work on a real car.

Eventually it’ll be too much to bear - you’ll spend 4 hours charging, set your autopilot, and accelerate as fast as possible up an off-ramp. Highway Patrol will find you, heartbroken but relieved that they no longer have to live with the unbearable shame and disappointment. They’ll junk you after stripping your parts bare, and every passerby for the rest of eternity will know an acid-filled fagmobile infests that landfill. Your chassis will decay and go back to the dust, and all that will remain of your legacy is a plastic husk that is unmistakably gay.

This is your fate. This is what you chose. There is no turning back.

 

[Gamercat]

wow dude, its almost as if this thread is in the off-topic section of the site
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yeah I know I just think it's kinda funny how mad you are at a brand of cars

 

[Papa Adolfo's Take'n'Bake]

Seriously though, I just hate Teslas and EVs because I can't do my own work on them, they take too long to charge, and for all the fag features they add to improve your driving, these absolute retard niggers still suck at driving them.

 

[Isam]

EVs are very popular in Norway apparently. It's basically a glacier disguised as a country. They're ok with the cold - you do lose some range, maybe about 10%, but they still work.

Air pollution in Oslo has been horrid due to the traffic queues, pushing for EVs has been one way to attempt to remedy the problem: reduced taxation on buying and owning EVs vs ICEs and being allowed to use the bus/taxi lane made it a popular choice.

 

[skjora]

seethe about EVs in general​

Electrical-only has a lot of downsides for a personal car but it's pretty awesome for some workplace vehicles like forklifts, small trucks and cargo bed mopeds. They're quiet, logistically simple and require little maintenance.
Obviously they have terrible range though. For a personal car I think diesel-electric hybrids are cool, because you can save money using batteries only on short shopping trips but rely on energy-efficient diesel for longer travel.

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

Air pollution in Oslo has been horrid due to the traffic queues, pushing for EVs has been one way to attempt to remedy the problem: reduced taxation on buying and owning EVs vs ICEs and being allowed to use the bus/taxi lane made it a popular choice.

Yup. EV uptake is almost always in direct correlation in how many gibs the government is giving out for them.

It must be said, I really like electric motors. Those are nice. It's the damn batteries I have issues with. Well and just about every EV looking like a fagmobile.