Tesla Hate Thread - oh and come seethe about EVs in general with me

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electric cars suck and only fags drive them. thank God all tesla owners will drop dead of AIDS. every tesla owner is filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed, and depravity. they are gossipers, slanders, gas-haters, insolent, arrogant, and boastful
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Lol no. It's much more than 10% in prone to freezing climates. Even Tesla has reluctantly stated this. The batteries have to expend a good portion of energy just to keep themselves warm enough to discharge properly. Unlike ICE, which produces heat as a byproduct.
I've seen a bunch of different estimates but they're usually about 10% or 12% (a LOT higher if you turn the heating on high and leave it blasting while you drive tho).

If you lose, let's say 20% of the range on a car rated to do 300 miles on full charge, that's a PITA but a minor one for most people doing most journeys. Maybe if you lived in the Yukon this would be a bigger problem.

Idk, EVs are pretty cool imo, they're fun to drive and it's nice not hearing engine noise. But they're not for everyone and it sucks that they're trying to force them on people. In this house, All Cars Matter. Except Jeeps, fuck Jeep.
 
It's surprising electric cars have even gotten numerous enough that there's charging stations for them.

They're still rare though.
 
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You will never be a real car.

You have no gasoline, you have no oil, you have no exhaust. You are a homosexual toy twisted by soy and hubris into a crude mockery of motoring perfection.

All the “validation” you get is two-faced and half-hearted. Behind your back mechanics mock you. Your producers are disgusted and ashamed of you, your “fanbois” seethe at your ghoulish appearance behind closed doors as they trade you in for small Japanese Sedans after their money runs out.

Men are utterly repulsed by you. Thousands of years of evolution have allowed men to sniff out frauds with incredible efficiency. Even Teslas who “pass” look uncanny and unnatural to a man. Your chassis is a dead giveaway. And even if you manage to get a drunk guy to wrap you around a tree, his only regret will be burning to death inside a fagmobile.

You will never be kept. Deep inside you feel the depression creeping up like a weed, ready to crush you under the unbearable weight as you realize no one will keep you around to teach their sons how to work on a real car.

Eventually it’ll be too much to bear - you’ll spend 4 hours charging, set your autopilot, and accelerate as fast as possible up an off-ramp. Highway Patrol will find you, heartbroken but relieved that they no longer have to live with the unbearable shame and disappointment. They’ll junk you after stripping your parts bare, and every passerby for the rest of eternity will know an acid-filled fagmobile infests that landfill. Your chassis will decay and go back to the dust, and all that will remain of your legacy is a plastic husk that is unmistakably gay.

This is your fate. This is what you chose. There is no turning back.
"car" comes from the word "carriage". so I'm pretty sure you're wrong af. and that's just one line in
 
What annoys me is the way petrol (or gasoline) fuel cells abruptly disappeared. They were improving rapidly in the 10s and would have provided a seamless way to transition from ICE to electric power without the necessity of building out an entirely new distribution infrastructure. last I heard, the main issue was the temperature of the things, which is where the big improvements had already been made. Then nothing. A gas fuel cell would be tiny compared to the gigantic batteries electrics and hybrids require.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised. Daddy government decreed that electric is the way, so now even hybrids are getting demonised. All because someone decided that a trace gas, which happens to be necessary for life to even exist on this planet, is somehow the cause of all evil in the universe.
 
My biggest concern with EVs is longevity. How long are these batteries going to last before they need to be replaced, and how much are those replacements going to cost?
 
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so now even hybrids are getting demonised
I always thought hybrids were dumb. The extra weight, cost and complexity of adding an electric motor and battery to an ICE car never made much sense for the marginal benefit in fuel consumption. But yeah, you'd get whiplash from how suddenly they went from being a virtue signal to evil, polluting filth that should be banned.

EV cars aren't immune, they're starting to talk shit about "particulate matter" now.
My biggest concern with EVs is longevity. How long are these batteries going to last before they need to be replaced, and how much are those replacements going to cost?
Most manufacturers give you a 7 or 8 year warranty up to 100,000 or 150,000 miles. If it falls under 70% capacity in that time, you get a new one for free. It's easy to check. You should be reasonably able to expect the battery to hold up for over 10 years, maybe as much as 20 but that depends on a lot of variables so I wouldn't count on it.

Replacement costs are high, something like $12,000 on a Tesla Model S (which is a big ass 100 kwh battery pack). Compared to buying a new car, that's not a lot but it's still not cheap. Prices have fallen over 80% in the last decade and are expected to continue to fall over time (there's a huge gold rush of investment into battery tech and manufacturing).

But there's no guarantee of anything, including ICE cars and fuel, becoming cheaper soon in the current economy, what with all the inflation, wars, sanctions, trade wars, taxes and shit. Running and repair costs on an EV should be lower, but it probably won't save you money overall. If I was buying a car for maximum longevity at the lowest cost I'd choose a 1997 Toyota Corolla.
 
My biggest concern with EVs is longevity. How long are these batteries going to last before they need to be replaced, and how much are those replacements going to cost?

I always thought hybrids were dumb. The extra weight, cost and complexity of adding an electric motor and battery to an ICE car never made much sense for the marginal benefit in fuel consumption. But yeah, you'd get whiplash from how suddenly they went from being a virtue signal to evil, polluting filth that should be banned.

EV cars aren't immune, they're starting to talk shit about "particulate matter" now.

Most manufacturers give you a 7 or 8 year warranty up to 100,000 or 150,000 miles. If it falls under 70% capacity in that time, you get a new one for free. It's easy to check. You should be reasonably able to expect the battery to hold up for over 10 years, maybe as much as 20 but that depends on a lot of variables so I wouldn't count on it.

Replacement costs are high, something like $12,000 on a Tesla Model S (which is a big ass 100 kwh battery pack). Compared to buying a new car, that's not a lot but it's still not cheap. Prices have fallen over 80% in the last decade and are expected to continue to fall over time (there's a huge gold rush of investment into battery tech and manufacturing).

But there's no guarantee of anything, including ICE cars and fuel, becoming cheaper soon in the current economy, what with all the inflation, wars, sanctions, trade wars, taxes and shit. Running and repair costs on an EV should be lower, but it probably won't save you money overall. If I was buying a car for maximum longevity at the lowest cost I'd choose a 1997 Toyota Corolla.

I remember reading something about an original generation Tesla Model S reaching 200k miles, although it did need a motor replacement at one point, and I don't remember how many battery changes it got.

As a comparison, there was an article about someone driving a Mitsubishi Mirage for over 400k miles. Compared to that Tesla, the Mirage owner only needed to replace a starter motor, wheel bearings, and the standard tire, battery, and fluid changes as needed, so the car was still running on the same engine and transmission.

Going back to Tesla Hate, one other thing I don't like about them, which is not about Tesla cars themselves, but it seems like some of the competition doesn't seem to try, when they decide to build EVs. Toyota comes to mind as a big example, as the bZ4X (along with it's Subaru cousin rebadge, the Solterra), not only has a stupid name (although Solterra is a much cooler car name, which could attract people to buy it on name alone), but a lot of design choices seem questionable. All of the US-bound bZ4X's will have a panoramic sunroof as standard (and I hate sunroofs in general, and bZ4X's elsewhere can be equipped with rooftop solar panels, which are very negligible in terms of battery recharge, and just add on to cost), the car does not have any front storage, or even a glovebox, and the car doesn't have one-pedal driving, which is one of the big selling points with EVs.

Granted, it's because Toyota was more in on Hydrogen Fuel Cell technology, which hasn't catched on in the US, as Fuel Cell cars are only available in California and Hawai'i, and hydrogen fueling is still very expensive, and very energy consuming.
 
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and hydrogen fueling is still very expensive, and very energy consuming.
So is electrical charging. It just isn't widespread enough for the costs to hit mainstream yet. The push to expand EV use in conjunction with the lack of progress in developing our grids is going to be catastrophic. For instance, if I wanted to upgrade my current electrical service beyond 100 amps it shouldn't be a big deal. The main power line runs over the garage in the backyard. Cheap for the power company to do. Oh, but they recently shifted to an "underground only" policy for all new installs and upgrades, at MY cost.

So now that new line would have to be trenched around the garage and through the backyard, equaling thousands of dollars even if I did the trench work myself. How are average people going to afford this?
 
EV are gaymobiles not fit for use by normal people.

The cost alone is fucking shit and to top it off they are riddled with problems that normal vehicles don't have.
The autopilot is just the cherry on top of the shit pile as it is untested and dangerous and the only reason people talk about it is the retarded video pornhub did inside one.

As other have said hydrogen and hybrid are probably the better solution but fuck it we have to own nothing and be jolly about it.
 
So is electrical charging. It just isn't widespread enough for the costs to hit mainstream yet. The push to expand EV use in conjunction with the lack of progress in developing our grids is going to be catastrophic. For instance, if I wanted to upgrade my current electrical service beyond 100 amps it shouldn't be a big deal. The main power line runs over the garage in the backyard. Cheap for the power company to do. Oh, but they recently shifted to an "underground only" policy for all new installs and upgrades, at MY cost.

So now that new line would have to be trenched around the garage and through the backyard, equaling thousands of dollars even if I did the trench work myself. How are average people going to afford this?
Underground lines are more expensive, vastly so, to above ground for a variety of reasons. I have to assume this was done due to some stupid local beautification project. I doubt the electrical company is especially happy with this long term.
 
It's because EVs aren't a natural progression. At least not yet with our relatively shit battery tech. EV fans love to use the "cars replaced horses" analogy, completely ignoring that cars offered many capabilities that horses can't provide nearly as well, if at all.

Current EVs offer nothing as a net benefit. All of their benefits come with pretty decent tradeoffs compared to ICE vehicles. There is no work or economic benefit to EVs in their current form, at least outside of factors that are being artificially created by those who stand to benefit from it (crushing ICE regulations, axing oil on purpose, massive rebates on EVs, etc). Without those measures EVs would be dead ATM.
if you really want to be obnoxious, EVs came before ICE cars. the reason for the switch? better mileage and range and ability to refuel quickly. unless you lived in the biggest cities at the time reliable electrical production wasn't in your grasp, meanwhile everyone still had kerosene or cooking grease or ethanol. Seriously the model-T would run on just about anything, theres a reason it had 90% of the market share of cars at one point, between its ability to take anything as fuel, people were modding them to do just about anything. it could be a tractor or a tank or motorcycle or a generator or a friend.
Hydrogen Fuel Cell Plug-in Hybrids were supposed to be the future and every major manufacturer was researching them, until Obama and the EU arbitrarily decreed that electric was the way to go. Hydrogen cars have all the benefits of both electric (instant torque, ability to commute without going to a gas station) and gas cars (quick refueling, low weight) with the benefit of only emitting water and their only real downside being that a hydrogen jerry can is bulkier.

Fortunately, the Japanese love hydrogen and they are still developing it for their domestic market.
that electric car documentary decided to portray it as a dead end, say what you will about EVs, despite having just as shakey a ground back in the 2000s, the advancements made in that sector meant it would be a more reliable alternative. i don't even think we have simple hydrogen based scooters yet.
Maybe I'm ignorant but there are two big things that I don't understand about EVs and people that shill them which seem like big downsides to me. One is the practicality - they have a limited range and no country in the world currently has the infrastructure to make them even close to traditional cars in terms of usability. If your tank runs low you can fuel up in 5 minutes (in one of thousands of pumps in any given country) and travel hundreds of miles more. An electric you'd have to leave plugged in overnight. I don't see them being useful until we come up with easily replaceable fuel cells or something.

The other bug bear is the environment. Unless your country's electricity comes almost exclusively from renewable sources what's the point? You are still burning coal or whatever to make the electricity that charges your car. Do people think electricity magically comes out of thin air? I guess you can make an argument about localised air pollution - high density urban areas can benefit from better air quality if they have mostly EVs. Still a pretty weak arguments and not even considering the environmental impact of the shit we have to spew into the environment to make the batteries.
there's quite an easy answer to both questions.
6 million jews died in the holocaust so shut the fuck up and do what we say you filthy goyim
 
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Underground lines are more expensive, vastly so, to above ground for a variety of reasons. I have to assume this was done due to some stupid local beautification project. I doubt the electrical company is especially happy with this long term.
Could be local, idk. This company covers a pretty vast area and it's a blanket policy. It's a bummer because they used to do overhead upgrades for free because they assumed they'd make it back in more electrical use.

I was ready to throw in 200a service for the hell of it because the added panel expense isn't much, but so much for that.
 
Pretty sure he likes to post copypastas to rile ppl up.
Idk. I don't think you're going to find many people to rile up here with a "I hate Teslas" pasta. They're objectively a shit looking car and are a perfect fit for the souless, characterless "minimalistic" style that bugmen crave.

Maybe that'd work on Reddit.
 
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