The Abortion Debate Containment Thread - Put abortion sperging here.

Michael Pemulis said:
Over 10 years that would be a 40% chance with the pill, that is somewhat substantial (and as I've said, I'm not going to use condoms with a gf on the pill, that's lame).

I am not sure either way on that, that's why I opened this discussion with a question. If you have some statistics showing that most people who get abortions hadn't been using any birth control, I'd like to see them.
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I would think the onus is on you to show that they were. The "need" for an abortion in the first place tends to suggest that birth control was either not in use or used improperly.
 
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Michael Pemulis said:
Well sorry but I am okay with people getting abortions.
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I'm not trying to change your mind, I'm trying to get you to understand they're technically unnecessary and immoral.

By all means, if people want to potentially wipe out their bloodlines and face God some day with the blood of his gift to them on their hands, they can feel free to do so for as long as it is legal. I certainly won't do any more than merely posit that it's wrong. If that bothers someone then good, they probably know it's wrong too and I've done enough.

Michael Pemulis said:
As for whether or not I personally would solicit one, I do not know. The fact that men don't have any direct control over the decision is a pretty influential thing in this issue. I think it's basically the correct view for us to be stoically prepared for either outcome.
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That's another great point. Fathers have no say in the fate of their progeny, something I find bizarre to defend. Unlike abortion it's truly a man's right to protect his family, but not only do we not have that, but men actively working against it. At the very least it's rather hypocritical coming from "women's rights" advocates.

Although, to be fair, men should be very careful who they choose as a partner since a quarter of women have abortions. They shouldn't be shockedpikachuface.jpg when their blue haired girlfriend vacuums up their son.

Michael Pemulis said:
You should note, by the way, that the "ideal usage" of condoms is pretty unrealistic.
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Unrealistic isn't the proper term, undesirable is. Which, granted, it is. I'm not going to misrepresent reality here, but promoting personal responsibility is paramount in a functioning society, and not just on this subject.

Not doing so is where drunk driving, divorce, drug use, gambling addiction, victim mentalities, welfare queens, mordibly obese gluttons, trannies, and all manner of other social ills (including crime in general) stems from.
 
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Michael Pemulis said:
I made it pretty clear that it was within a certain situation, thought you'd understand the implication that I meant "with a committed girlfriend who is on birth control". At that point you shouldn't be concerned about STDs, and it won't be nearly as big of a deal if you end up having the child as it would with some random bar slut.

Life is all about trade-offs, we make them every day. For me, having satisfying sex is worth accepting some level of risk. You going to have risk anyway, may as well choose your own from time to time.
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You really trust a woman to take her pills on time?
 
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Michael Pemulis said:
Over 10 years that would be a 40% chance with the pill, that is somewhat substantial (and as I've said, I'm not going to use condoms with a gf on the pill, that's lame).
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It's actually a bit worse than that. Combined oral contraceptives are 99% effective at preventing pregnancy in a given year if taken correctly, and 91% in actual practice (because people forget to take them.)

So how do we calculate the chance of not getting pregnant over ten years? .91^10 which gives us roughly 39%. Not great.

If you're in a relationship with someone on the pill make sure they're using it correctly, and if they have trouble with it consider something like Implanon.
 
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My opinion: abortion is killing babies and that's good bc I support infanticide too. Ideally all the ones that could be prevented by birth control should be though. Prolife is a neurotic xtian disease and Yahweh doesn't care about you or any human. Not saying all babies should be aborted/prevented/killed but people should have the choice. Polytheists were right on this issue tbh. You are alienated from the Gods of your ancestors if you don't want to throw Paisley off a cliff.
Kiwi & Cow said:
Atleast if a baby is carried to term and then given to a foster family there's still the hypothetical that the baby will grow up to do a job like scientist or mathematician and even if he ends being a wage slave at a McDonalds, he's still making money for the economy.
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I hate it when right wingers and conservatards suddenly care very much for muh hecking wholesome blackerinos babbies and we must stop the genocide! Aborting nigglets is a good thing.
 
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It's bc women are meant to be keepers of genetic purity and careful mate selection while men can just spread their seed and contribute nothing. Women historically were more against miscegenation than anyone and when they can say it without being banned they will. Even for women who are pozzed on race, they're overwhelming for aborting tard babies and most advocates for them are male. Why do you think that is?
 
Lily Says 41%! said:
It's bc women are meant to be keepers of genetic purity and careful mate selection while men can just spread their seed and contribute nothing. Women historically were more against miscegenation than anyone and when they can say it without being banned they will. Even for women who are pozzed on race, they're overwhelming for aborting tard babies and most advocates for them are male. Why do you think that is?
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Gatekeepers of genetic purity? That's one spin I've never heard. You sure it's not just a matter of convenience? Why produce the tard baby with an "impure" mate to begin with?
 
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SSj_Ness said:
Genuinely appreciate the honesty. I've noticed an uptick of it in the last couple months, I wonder what's causing it.
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>says they love abortion in their tagline
>supports their "argument" with references to Yahweh and polytheism

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that this person is a troll, likely inspired by the recent Roe v. Wade drama.
 
Hotter Shoeonhead. said:
Once again conservatives should stop passing taliban type laws banning abortions even for rape babies.

Late term abortions are even rarer and usually reserved only for serious medical issues like threat to mother’s life and fetal abnormalities There are only five or so doctors who actively perform late term-abortions in the USA.

My point is that despite this you people can’t stop tardraging over late terms
abortions.
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Care to comment on the "sent home with seaweed jammed up her vagina" vs "perinatal hospice where professionals attend to her every physical and psychological need" gap like I asked earlier?

Because the more you guys ignore that question, the more I think that your viewpoint cannot withstand actually reading all the facts involved. Especially finding out that your sainted abortion doctors treat the women they "help" worse than a butcher treats a piece of meat.
SSj_Ness said:
Genuinely appreciate the honesty. I've noticed an uptick of it in the last couple months, I wonder what's causing it.
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The demoniacs are coming unhinged and cannot restrain themselves anymore. Attacking their own side at protests, etc. They will end up chained in a cemetery spitting at passersby like a New Testament story at this rate.
 
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SSj_Ness said:
Gatekeepers of genetic purity? That's one spin I've never heard. You sure it's not just a matter of convenience? Why produce the tard baby with an "impure" mate to begin with?
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Bc many cases are unpredictable. Only so much can be scanned for. Women, especially women who've given birth, know the value of life and how much care it takes to raise someone functional.
 
gang weeder said:
>says they love abortion in their tagline
>supports their "argument" with references to Yahweh and polytheism

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that this person is a troll, likely inspired by the recent Roe v. Wade drama.
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Trolls and actual pro-abortionists are nearly indistinguishable if the troll is half competent, tbh.
 
Larry David's Opera Cape said:
Care to comment on the "sent home with seaweed jammed up her vagina" vs "perinatal hospice where professionals attend to her every physical and psychological need" gap like I asked earlier?
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I don't think anyone is saying people shouldn't have a right to perinatal hospice if they want it. I think it's nice how organizations will photograph the baby to be remembered. But it's not the right choice for everyone. You're not really "attending to her every psychological need" if she can't bear the thought of birthing a doomed brainless baby.
gang weeder said:
>says they love abortion in their tagline
>supports their "argument" with references to Yahweh and polytheism

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that this person is a troll, likely inspired by the recent Roe v. Wade drama.
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I'm not trolling. I reference polytheism bc I am one. Prolifers always bring their religious crap into it and impose it on other people so I have every right to express my own religious perspective on this issue. And in polytheist societies, people did not generally take a strong moral stance on abortion and contraception. Even infanticide was considered a necessary fact of life. I consider it not moral or immoral, it's amoral. No different than taking a shit isn't a deep ethical decision.
 
Lily Says 41%! said:
I don't think anyone is saying people shouldn't have a right to perinatal hospice if they want it. I think it's nice how organizations will photograph the baby to be remembered. But it's not the right choice for everyone. You're not really "attending to her every psychological need" if she can't bear the thought of birthing a doomed brainless baby.

I'm not trolling. I reference polytheism bc I am one. Prolifers always bring their religious crap into it and impose it on other people so I have every right to express my own religious perspective on this issue. And in polytheist societies, people did not generally take a strong moral stance on abortion and contraception. Even infanticide was considered a necessary fact of life. I consider it not moral or immoral, it's amoral. No different than taking a shit isn't a deep ethical decision.
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I guess there is a possibility that you are a genuine way-out-there weirdo. This is kiwifarms after all. Either way, I feel no need to engage seriously with someone calling herself a "polytheist." Which gods do you worship, by the way?
 
gang weeder said:
I guess there is a possibility that you are a genuine way-out-there weirdo. This is kiwifarms after all. Either way, I feel no need to engage seriously with someone calling herself a "polytheist." Which gods do you worship, by the way?
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It's not really weird. Animism and polytheism are the natural religious tendencies of humanity. Probably even on a neurological level. That's why monotheists sperg about muh one god and muh idolatry constantly. They're going against human nature. Also, Sirona Continental Celtic Goddess of healing mostly.
 
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Lily Says 41%! said:
I don't think anyone is saying people shouldn't have a right to perinatal hospice if they want it. I think it's nice how organizations will photograph the baby to be remembered. But it's not the right choice for everyone. You're not really "attending to her every psychological need" if she can't bear the thought of birthing a doomed brainless baby.

I'm not trolling. I reference polytheism bc I am one. Prolifers always bring their religious crap into it and impose it on other people so I have every right to express my own religious perspective on this issue. And in polytheist societies, people did not generally take a strong moral stance on abortion and contraception. Even infanticide was considered a necessary fact of life. I consider it not moral or immoral, it's amoral. No different than taking a shit isn't a deep ethical decision.
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Abortionists don't have teleportation machines. She has to "birth a doomed brainless baby" whether someone kills it first or not. She has to go through all the physical process. There is no shortcut. There is no way around. Once the "doomed brainless baby" is in there, it comes out with the same amount of pain and blood no matter what.

So be honest: the reason you think abortion is important has nothing to do with her feelings, her loss, or her psychological or physical pain. Those are all the same either way. You want it there to make sure the baby dies. To make sure that even if there was an error of diagnosis, that woman goes home childless. Even if a few mistakes have to be made, it's worth it to you, because that way you're certain that a life-unworthy-of-life is not allowed to continue.

Own it.
 
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