The Abortion Debate Containment Thread - Put abortion sperging here.

"Earlier fetuses" do in fact have skin, it's just very easily torn. And of course they don't hand aborted babies over to mom to cuddle. They RIP THE FUCKING HEAD AND LEGS OFF and have to reassemble it in a tray to make sure they didn't leave anything behind.

Read a damn book.

What exactly do you think is floating around in a woman's body all those months? It's a human in the process of development. It has everything a human has, just not quite ready for prime time.

When pro-aborts spout this shit they just sound ignorant, like "HOW IS BABBY FORMED?" type ignorant, not the brave realists they believe themselves to be.
Abortion covers a lot of things, including inducing birth when it will die shortly after. You're describing only some techniques in the most sensationalized ways bc that's what prolife propaganda fearmongers about. It's pretty similar when they induce the pregnancy to actual birth. I was thinking on the subject of perinatal hospice like I mentioned as well as stillbirths, where those special photographers are well known and people hold the babies. There's no reason the same couldn't be done after an induction abortion as it's the same for the body as a birth. If earlier fetuses have skin, it's bright red and definitely looks like innards from what I've seen.
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... What? What???

Are you deranged? Children don't have the same rights as an adult to protect them from the consequences of things they are not yet mentally ready for. Not because they are worth less than an adult.
A right is a claim recognized by law. The reason that the law does not recognize children as having certain rights is because they are not recognized as being deserving of them (invariably, due to a diminished capacity for responsibility). It's not a matter of something being "worth less" than something else; it's a recognition that children and adults are qualitatively different due to children not yet having the mental capacity of an adult.

By the same token, a fetus and a child are also qualitatively different, and if the right to life applies only to those with the capacity for consciousness (hence, why it is legal to switch off a life support machine for those with no hope of recovery), then we can logically say that a fetus has no right to life, can we not?

Of course, the other problem for the pro-life lobby, irrespective of whether or not a fetus has a right to life, is that they've yet to explain how legal precedent would support the conclusion that the right to life of a fetus should come before a woman's right to bodily integrity, but I've already gone into detail about that earlier in the thread. Suffice to say, the pro-life camp really doesn't have a leg to stand on.
 
A right is a claim recognized by law. The reason that the law does not recognize children as having certain rights is because they are not recognized as being deserving of them (invariably, due to a diminished capacity for responsibility). It's not a matter of something being "worth less" than something else; it's a recognition that children and adults are qualitatively different due to children not yet having the mental capacity of an adult.

By the same token, a fetus and a child are also qualitatively different, and if the right to life applies only to those with the capacity for consciousness (hence, why it is legal to switch off a life support machine for those with no hope of recovery), then we can logically say that a fetus has no right to life, can we not?

Utter, complete rubbish. All totally false equivalences. Incredibly big brain false equivalences at that. Your entire argument is based on the absurd concept that children and by extension the unborn are denied rights because they don't deserve them, which is blatantly false and completely excises the role of empathy. You either don't have children of your own, had an awful childhood, or are just a terrifyingly detached narcissist if you sincerely hold these views.

Children are a privileged class in society. They have more rights than adults do. They receive numerous kinds of positive discrimination due to their fundamental innocence and lack of development. The only times they are not allowed to do certain things or have certain things is because they are not yet ready for them mentally. This exact same argument could just as easily be used to argue for the removal of age of consent laws, as it attacks the same precepts that those twisted ideas do.

In fact, your argument contradicts itself. Since children are a privileged class whom adults go out of their way to protect and shield from harm, then the unborn should be even more protected. Your comparison regarding the right to life of a coma patient is equally ludicrous on multiple counts.

First of all, every person has the right to choose in advance how they will be treated in that very situation. I carry around a card with me that states I am fine with my life support being terminated if there is no realistic chance of me regaining consciousness in the event of an accident. Others have a different stance based on their informed beliefs. These rights have been successfully defended in a court of law multiple times.

Quick Edit: Just to reinforce my point, said card is legally binding. Nobody in the whole nation can override my decision without a massive court battle they're almost certain to lose anyway, so long as it is clearly expressed and legally attested to beforehand.

Why do you think there is such an enormous backlash by both the public and many medical doctors themselves against the idea of assisted suicide even in cases where the patient has literally no hope of recovery or has a degenerative neurological condition that effectively renders them non-sapient? It's because we recognize the fundamental preference for life over death. There is no valid reason this shouldn't apply to the unborn, since they are simply in a lesser state of development than children, which we have just established are a privileged and protected class in any halfway-decent society.

Of course, the other problem for the pro-life lobby, irrespective of whether or not a fetus has a right to life, is that they've yet to explain how legal precedent would support the conclusion that the right to life of a fetus should come before a woman's right to bodily integrity, but I've already gone into detail about that earlier in the thread. Suffice to say, the pro-life camp really doesn't have a leg to stand on.

A certain person on Youtube who I greatly respect has a saying; 'do not accept the premise of an asshole.' So instead of accepting your premise, I'll ask you defend yourself. Why shouldn't the right of an innocent being come before the rights of a guilty person? We've already established in this thread that well over 90% of all abortions are elective, so why should a convenience supplant the fundamental rights of a person to have a chance at a healthy life? You can reasonably argue that abortion might be acceptable in rape cases, but again, those are such a minuscule number that it barely even qualifies as a statistic. We already have birth control that is so effective it works 99.9% of the time, even before compounding methods together. Why should women be allowed to simply disregard the rights of the life they knowingly, deliberately created by intentionally failing to take advantage of the incredibly common, publicly accessible and readily available methods of contraception available in our society?
 
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I hate it when right wingers and conservatards suddenly care very much for muh hecking wholesome blackerinos babbies and we must stop the genocide! Aborting nigglets is a good thing.
This may shock you to know, but I'm not racist. Tho I'm concerned about depopulation and the potentiality of economical collapse.
 
LMFAO You're not the one to talk since you actively supported banning fags and niggers from society. You're literally a far-right Nationalist who hate anyone who isn't exactly like you, so stop pretending you care about people's lives.
If black and LGBT people were shipped to Africa, what would society be like the very next day? Better, worse; safer, more dangerous?

I hate it when right wingers and conservatards suddenly care very much for muh hecking wholesome blackerinos babbies and we must stop the genocide! Aborting nigglets is a good thing.
They're objectively a problem for society, but killing should be reserved solely for self-defense and war, neither of which needs to involve babies.

Shipping them out or enforcing segregation again are better options than that, anything is.
 
A right is a claim recognized by law. The reason that the law does not recognize children as having certain rights is because they are not recognized as being deserving of them (invariably, due to a diminished capacity for responsibility). It's not a matter of something being "worth less" than something else; it's a recognition that children and adults are qualitatively different due to children not yet having the mental capacity of an adult.

By the same token, a fetus and a child are also qualitatively different, and if the right to life applies only to those with the capacity for consciousness (hence, why it is legal to switch off a life support machine for those with no hope of recovery), then we can logically say that a fetus has no right to life, can we not?

Of course, the other problem for the pro-life lobby, irrespective of whether or not a fetus has a right to life, is that they've yet to explain how legal precedent would support the conclusion that the right to life of a fetus should come before a woman's right to bodily integrity, but I've already gone into detail about that earlier in the thread. Suffice to say, the pro-life camp really doesn't have a leg to stand on.
"then we can logically say that a fetus has no right to life, can we not?" No, because under your logic a fetus (barring catastrophic circumstances) has a future capacity for consciousness because it will do so at some point. If we knew for a fact someone in a coma was going to become conscious again after say 10 months, would it be ok to unplug them now?
 
I hate it when right wingers and conservatards suddenly care very much for muh hecking wholesome blackerinos babbies and we must stop the genocide! Aborting nigglets is a good thing.
Lol um based department
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Also intresting schizo theory
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My opinion: abortion is killing babies and that's good bc I support infanticide too. Ideally all the ones that could be prevented by birth control should be though. Prolife is a neurotic xtian disease and Yahweh doesn't care about you or any human. Not saying all babies should be aborted/prevented/killed but people should have the choice. Polytheists were right on this issue tbh. You are alienated from the Gods of your ancestors if you don't want to throw Paisley off a cliff.

I hate it when right wingers and conservatards suddenly care very much for muh hecking wholesome blackerinos babbies and we must stop the genocide! Aborting nigglets is a good thing.

I am not pro-life. I am anti-murder. I don't care what happens to the kid after it is born, I am just wholly against all crimes and it's ridiculous that women get an out for murder just because the kid can't defend itself.

In an ideal world, every whore who has killed her kids and every doctor who assisted would rot in a jail cell for the rest of eternity, but we have ex post facto shit, so that's fine. Clean slate, but no more murder. Tolerance of crime breeds a criminal society. If we didn't have a tolerance of crime, you wouldn't hate niggers so much, because they wouldn't commit so many crimes.
 
If black and LGBT people were shipped to Africa, what would society be like the very next day? Better, worse; safer, more dangerous?


They're objectively a problem for society, but killing should be reserved solely for self-defense and war, neither of which needs to involve babies.

Shipping them out or enforcing segregation again are better options than that, anything is.
Do you know that more blacks are aborted in NYC then born?
Imagine how much more dangerous the USA would be without it our crime rate would skyrocket yet I guess punishing women is more important for you people.

Also why are u so obsessed with gay people and troons?
 
I am not pro-life. I am anti-murder. I don't care what happens to the kid after it is born, I am just wholly against all crimes and it's ridiculous that women get an out for murder just because the kid can't defend itself.

In an ideal world, every whore who has killed her kids and every doctor who assisted would rot in a jail cell for the rest of eternity, but we have ex post facto shit, so that's fine. Clean slate, but no more murder. Tolerance of crime breeds a criminal society. If we didn't have a tolerance of crime, you wouldn't hate niggers so much, because they wouldn't commit so many crimes.
It’s not a kid.
I don't care what happens to the kid after it is born,
Thanks for being honest you guys care more about a fucking zygoat then a real child somehow a women who aborts a tard with a severe fetal abnormality is an evil murderer but forcing the child to live a painful short life is morally justified.

Somehow This is ok according to you guys this is more justified then abortion.

A real child who can actually feel pain matters less to so called ‘’pro-lifers’’ then a non sentient blob.
 
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Thanks for being honest you guys care more about a fucking zygoat then a real child somehow a women who aborts a tard with a severe fetal abnormality is an evil murderer but forcing the child to live a painful short life is morally justified.
Yes. Nature is amoral. Letting someone be born and die is normal and it happens all the time. Killing someone is immoral.
 
How does banning abortion make it less obvious that fewer Women are getting pregnant?
Idk, I didn't come up with the theory. But my guess is that it sould shift the conversation from sterilized women to the classic debates over abortion we had in the early 2000's
 
What is you’re view on euthanasia?
Euthanasia is murder and should not be allowed. People can go without eating if they want to die, but a doctor should have no part in it.

(And a cessation of treatment is not something I would consider euthanasia. Even if pulling the plug means the person goes instantly, that is nature killing the person, not the doctor. I am specifically referring to administering drugs to put someone down as euthanasia)
 
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