The Abortion Debate Containment Thread - Put abortion sperging here.

[Mark Antony]

How is termination of a human life not murder when it is done purely for the sake of convenience? I.e., the 90+% of cases where the woman just gets an abortion because she doesn't want a kid, not because she was raped or the pregnancy is somehow going to kill her or any other fringe scenario like that. Address the central issue.

I have yet to see a single pro-lifer who has even remotely suggested that natural miscarriages should be somehow criminalized. How many times does this have to be said?

@grimacefetishist is just another radical pragmatist and utilitarian in tandem. They have no morals but object to anything that could inconvenience their immediate creature comforts. To wit, appealing to bizarro hypotheticals that have no precedent even before abortion was made legal in the United States (i.e. criminalising miscarriages.) I am saddened at the prospect of even sharing a forum with them. Consider the sorrows of anywho-so-happens to have a child with them in the future.

 

[grimacefetishist]

@grimacefetishist is just another radical pragmatist and utilitarian in tandem. They have no morals but object to anything that could inconvenience their immediate creature comforts. To wit, appealing to bizarro hypotheticals that have no precedent even before abortion was made legal in the United States (i.e. criminalising miscarriages.) I am saddened at the prospect of even sharing a forum with them. Consider the sorrows of anywho-so-happens to have a child with them in the future.

>bizarre hypotheticals
They aren't though. Something that happens 1% of the time is still relevant and needs to be accommodated for in order for the law to support it's intents.

No one will be having a child with me unless uterus transplants come back in vogue very soon. Then maybe I will consider canceling my warcraft subscription.

Your only counter point is "but that's not normal!" As if that means it's impossible or irrelevant.

 

[Mark Antony]

>bizarre hypotheticals
They aren't though. Something that happens 1% of the time is still relevant and needs to be accommodated for in order for the law to support it's intents.

No one will be having a child with me unless uterus transplants come back in vogue very soon. Then maybe I will consider canceling my warcraft subscription.

Your only counter point is "but that's not normal!" As if that means it's impossible or irrelevant.

Laws are reactionary by design. If you want a law that foresees every circumstance and dispenses justice that satisfies everyone you will have more luck with fortune tellers than lawmakers. But seeing as you play warcraft I imagine you prefer magic to paperwork.

 

[veri]

Let's imagine I'm wrong about abortion and I get my way on the issue. What have I done? Well, probably killed several thousand women and held society back. Pretty bad but, ya know. I can live with it.

you want to put women to death for abortions?

 

[gang weeder]

>bizarre hypotheticals
They aren't though. Something that happens 1% of the time is still relevant and needs to be accommodated for in order for the law to support it's intents.

No one will be having a child with me unless uterus transplants come back in vogue very soon. Then maybe I will consider canceling my warcraft subscription.

Your only counter point is "but that's not normal!" As if that means it's impossible or irrelevant.

You're obsessing over fringe cases (which people have already responded to anyways many times) while ignoring the actual normal course of the issue. Again:

How is termination of a human life not murder when it is done purely for the sake of convenience? I.e., the 90+% of cases where the woman just gets an abortion because she doesn't want a kid, not because she was raped or the pregnancy is somehow going to kill her or any other fringe scenario like that. Address the central issue.

 

[NoTimeToLose]

Something that happens 1%

0,001%

 

[snailslime]

You're obsessing over fringe cases (which people have already responded to anyways many times) while ignoring the actual normal course of the issue. Again:

How is termination of a human life not murder when it is done purely for the sake of convenience? I.e., the 90+% of cases where the woman just gets an abortion because she doesn't want a kid, not because she was raped or the pregnancy is somehow going to kill her or any other fringe scenario like that. Address the central issue.

do you think a daughter should have to carry her father's fetus if he rapes her?

yes or no?

 

[grimacefetishist]

Laws are reactionary by design. If you want a law that foresees every circumstance and dispenses justice that satisfies everyone you will have more luck with fortune tellers than lawmakers. Seeing as you play warcraft I imagine you prefer magic to paperwork.

On the warcraft thing, it's an aesthetician thing. I cannot stand moe shit, but most games these days are for for weeaboos and Koreans

I agree that the law is reactionary, and that it can't possibly forsee everything- but there's no need for magic. You can predict the future by looking at the past and present. If triage is not murder, if accidents are not murder, if passivity is not murder, then abortion is not murder.

But if abortion is murder, then miscarriage is criminal, and then most women are inherently criminal.

I live in a shitty fantasy world where chickens send me to time out with moon lasers, but it beats living in someone's fantasy world where I have to pretend that pregnancy is magic ("holy") despite the glaring reality that it is not. No amount of gavel waving will change that reality, and reducing access to abortion just means that children will continue to die but just in more graphic ways. But at least the judge gets to go to heaven uwu

 

[gang weeder]

But if abortion is murder, then miscarriage is criminal, and then most women are inherently criminal.

Criminalizing abortion does not make natural miscarriages criminal. This has to be one of the stupidest talking points I've seen, and that's saying something in this thread. This is like objecting to murder laws because they will somehow lead to people being prosecuted as murderers if someone nearby them happens to fall down some stairs and break their neck and die.

And you are still ignoring the core of the issue.

 

[grimacefetishist]

yes or no?

No. And abortion doesn't mean the father is "getting away with it". Historically these men usually "get away with it" because they already lived somewhere where incest isn't a crime, where marriage is chattel, where women normally die young, etc. But also in places that believe heavily in parental rights, IE "post natal abortion"

 

[snailslime]

No. And abortion doesn't mean the father is "getting away with it". Historically these men usually "get away with it" because they already lived somewhere where incest isn't a crime, where marriage is chattel, where women normally die young, etc. But also in places that believe heavily in parental rights, IE "post natal abortion"

@gang weeder refuses to condemn incest rapebabies.

 

[grimacefetishist]

Criminalizing abortion does not make natural miscarriages criminal. This has to be one of the stupidest talking points I've seen, and that's saying something in this thread. This is like objecting to murder laws because they will somehow lead to people being prosecuted as murderers if someone nearby them happens to fall down some stairs and break their neck and die.

And you are still ignoring the core of the issue.

People have received criminal charges for being passive in deadly situations, but pretty much everyone agrees to drop the murder charge because it doesn't qualify as murder if you just ssee your friend strangle a kid in the toilet stall.

But miscarriage happens way more often than freak sociopathic rages, and people do have to make pseudo-legal defenses to their physicians in places where abortion is a crime. Which wastes time that they could be using to get medical treatment. But it's easy to pretend it's not a big deal or that it never happens just because it never happens to you.

One would hope that physicians get paid enough to not be motivated by bounty rewards, but food is getting kind of pricy.

 

[Mark Antony]

@gang weeder refuses to condemn incest rapebabies.

It's pro-choice's job to condemn babies before they are born.

People have received criminal charges for being passive in deadly situations, but pretty much everyone agrees to drop the murder charge because it doesn't qualify as murder if you just ssee your friend strangle a kid in the toilet stall.

But miscarriage happens way more often than freak sociopathic rages, and people do have to make pseudo-legal defenses to their physicians in places where abortion is a crime. Which wastes time that they could be using to get medical treatment. But it's easy to pretend it's not a big deal or that it never happens just because it never happens to you.

One would hope that physicians get paid enough to not be motivated by bounty rewards, but food is getting kind of pricy.

Maybe the real abortions are the kids we made in a toilet stall.

 

[gang weeder]

But miscarriage happens way more often than freak sociopathic rages, and people do have to make pseudo-legal defenses to their physicians in places where abortion is a crime. Which wastes time that they could be using to get medical treatment. But it's easy to pretend it's not a big deal or that it never happens just because it never happens to you.

Even if this ever does actually happen (never heard of it, which is weird given the wild frothing insanity of anti-lifers, if this were a real thing I'd expect them to bring it up more often), pro-lifers agree with you that it shouldn't. You can't point to a single person who believes that natural miscarriages should be considered murder somehow, but you just keep robotically repeating it like it's some kind of own.

And you still won't address the 90+% of abortions that are elective.

 

[Mayor Adam West]

you want to put women to death for abortions?

No. I was talking about unsafe abortions which would still occur. I also don’t believe in capital punishment so at most they get a life sentence.

 

[Mark Antony]

@gang weeder I am more pro-life than you.

 

[gang weeder]

@gang weeder I am more pro-life than you.

I smell bait but I'll bite. How so?

 

[Mark Antony]

I smell bait but I'll bite. How so?

You smelled it right and I am absolutely committed to die on a hill that I don't care about. You know the score. Draw your katana. We'll settle this as true digital natives. For us there is no truth: Just a thread that must be shat on beyond recourse.

 

[gang weeder]

You smelled it right and I am absolutely committed to die on a hill that I don't care about. You know the score. Draw your katana. We'll settle this as true digital natives. For us there is no truth: Just a thread that must be shat on beyond recourse.

Oh dear. Well my weapon of choice is a piss cannon. Have at thee.

 

[Mark Antony]

Oh dear. Well my weapon of choice is a piss cannon. Have at thee.

Fitting for someone who takes the piss out of everyone. En garde. My proof is my cock, for I have sired children. What proof of being pro-life do you have, save for debating transsexual miscreants who are terrible at statistics?