The Abortion Debate Containment Thread - Put abortion sperging here.

[Muh Vagina]

That's a MOBILE wikipedia link, nigger. They're somehow more biased than the news. It literally means "leftists disagree with the study". And since you don't like incels, boy do I have some news for you on wikipedia editors.

There are citations. Read those.

Retard, that's exactly the point.
Your study has bullshit written on the cover. Mine has on the front page and only on that page.
So where's the bullshit in my study btw?

Maybe the fact that it was conducted by an extreme pro-lifer and has been debunked by all reputable organizations?

sick wikipedia link bro they totally aren't biased towards leftist views

There are citations. Read those.

 

[Ghjkl63]

There are citations. Read those.

biased citations

 

[Puff]

There are citations. Read those.


Maybe the fact that it was conducted by an extreme pro-lifer and has been debunked by all reputable organizations?


There are citations. Read those.

No. I'm not doing your job of formulating arguments for you. I'll take the "calling people incels" part of the job for pretty cheap though. HMU if there's an opening.

 

[CAPTAIN HAPPY]

Maybe the fact that it was conducted by an extreme pro-lifer and has been debunked by all reputable organizations?

lool
This nigga cites some bullshit study where it itself says in its premise that they choose the right answers themselves, then bitches about statistical study because someone called the head guy a liar.
Get the fuck outta here.

 

[Sweetpeaa]

They really believe this shit. They really do.



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''Baby is being decapitated'' and fearfully shies away from the instrument.

I'm sure it blocks it with its little fists and and audibly screams ''NO!!'' to the abortion doctor. This is pure '' the silent scream'' level bullshit



straight out of the Reagan era 1980's propaganda that the boomers would have nodded in agreement too as a collective belief. How does a person with internet access believe this stuff in the modern age? it takes two minutes to read about abortion as a procedure and what it actually entails.

 

[Puff]

They really believe this shit. They really do.

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''Baby is being decapitated'' and fearfully shies away from the instrument.

I'm sure it blocks it with its little fists and and audibly screams ''NO!!'' to the abortion doctor. This is pure '' the silent scream'' level bullshit

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straight out of the Reagan era 1980's propaganda that the boomers would have nodded in agreement too as a collective belief. How does a person with internet access believe this stuff in the modern age? it takes two minutes to read about abortion as a procedure and what it actually entails.

Yes, because it is true for late term abortions. (Other than the exaggeration you added in your commentary and that "decapitation" refers to the removal of a head, and in reality, they squish it)

 

[Muh Vagina]

Yes, because it is true for late term abortions. (Other than the exaggeration you added in your commentary and that "decapitation" refers to the removal of a head, and in reality, they squish it)

Thank you for proving how uneducated you are.

If a woman terminates late in her pregnancy, they induce labor so the baby can pass away peacefully. These instances are always because the baby won't survive. There is no "crushing" involved.

 

[gang weeder]

Thank you for proving how uneducated you are.

If a woman terminates late in her pregnancy, they induce labor so the baby can pass away peacefully. These instances are always because the baby won't survive. There is no "crushing" involved.

https://lozierinstitute.org/the-reality-of-late-term-abortion-procedures/

Furthermore, if it was true that late term abortions are "always because the baby won't survive," then why would Democrats insist on allowing abortion for any reason up until point of birth?

You are extremely stupid.

 

[Puff]

Thank you for proving how uneducated you are.

If a woman terminates late in her pregnancy, they induce labor so the baby can pass away peacefully. These instances are always because the baby won't survive. There is no "crushing" involved.

That is simply not true. Don't know what else to say to that. What you described isn't even an abortion under the law since it's non viable

 

[Ghjkl63]

Thank you for proving how uneducated you are.

If a woman terminates late in her pregnancy, they induce labor so the baby can pass away peacefully. These instances are always because the baby won't survive. There is no "crushing" involved.

source: dude trust me

 

[Muh Vagina]

https://lozierinstitute.org/the-reality-of-late-term-abortion-procedures/

Furthermore, if it was true that late term abortions are "always because the baby won't survive," then why would Democrats insist on allowing abortion for any reason up until point of birth?

You are extremely stupid.

LMFAO! The Lozier Institute? The pro-lifer, extremist, lie-spewing Lozier Institute? You can't even pretend to be impartial?

That is simply not true. Don't know what else to say to that. What you described isn't even an abortion under the law since it's non viable

It is most certainly considered termination. It's even called induction abortion.

source: dude trust me

Source: fuck off.

 

[gang weeder]

LMFAO! The Lozier Institute? The pro-lifer, extremist, lie-spewing Lozier Institute? You can't even pretend to be impartial?

>"muh soorce"

>0 refutation of any substance

Again. Extremely stupid.

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

Here's something that will interest thoughtful people and evoke sneers from the radfem crew:

https://www.ajog.org/article/S0002-9378(22)00036-9/fulltext

To the Editors:
In August 2021, the Society of Maternal-Fetal Medicine (SMFM) published an article on the use of fetal analgesia and anesthesia.
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According to SMFM, fetal pain perception requires a developed cortex and is not possible until at least 24–25 weeks gestation and not likely until after 28 weeks gestation, when somatosensory cortical connections develop. According to this hypothesis of cortical necessity, all fetal responses to noxious stimuli before 24–28 weeks gestation are viewed as unconscious, reflexive, and subcortical reactions and not indicative of a pain experience.
Such assertions conflict with validated neonatal pain assessment tools, which are strongly recommended by the American Academy of Pediatrics at similar and earlier gestational ages, based on behavioral responses.
2
The hypothesis of cortical necessity thus raises concerns about overreliance on neuroanatomical hypotheses, as was done in the era of untreated neonatal pain, rather than correlation with clinical behavior, context, and other markers of pain perception.
There is no identified difference in behavioral pain responses in the fetus or neonate after 24 weeks gestation that demonstrates impact from cortical connections. Instead, the same indicators of pain that are present after 24–28 weeks gestation are already present, developing, and maturing before 24 weeks gestation. These fetal responses to painful procedures include facial expressions of pain, withdrawal, and flailing, as well as stress hormone and hemodynamic changes. These responses are mitigated by analgesics.
Numerous researchers have also challenged the hypothesis of cortical necessity, noting that pain perception occurs before 24 weeks gestation without a developed cortex.
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This growing debate highlights the lack of medical, scientific, and international consensus regarding the recognition and treatment of pain at earlier gestational ages. Fetal anesthesia recommendations published in 2021 by the American Society of Anesthesiologists and the North American Fetal Therapy Network state, “Because it remains uncertain exactly when a fetus has the capacity to feel pain, it is best to administer adequate fetal anesthesia in all invasive maternal–fetal procedures to inhibit the humoral stress response, decrease fetal movement, and blunt any perception of pain.”
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Current neuroscientific evidence indicates that the onset of fetal pain perception is possible during the first trimester of pregnancy, during which time the minimum necessary neuroanatomy for fetal pain perception has developed, via the cortical subplate, via the thalamus, or both. Similarly, fetal awareness, mediated by the brainstem, has been demonstrated by 14 weeks gestation.
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If the fetus is capable of experiencing pain, which research convincingly indicates is possible beginning in the first trimester, then an ethical obligation exists to prevent, mitigate, and treat fetal pain whenever it can be anticipated.

 

[Puff]

It is most certainly considered termination. It's even called induction abortion.

Is that random pro-abortion blog you linked the law? Because I said it was not legally considered an abortion.
Further you said NO late term abutilons were elective and that dismembering the fetus for an abortion didn't exist. Your link mentions D&E abortions, which I was referring to and even says they're the most common kind.

Please argue in good faith.

 

[Muh Vagina]

Is that random pro-abortion blog you linked the law? Because I said it was not legally considered an abortion.
Further you said NO late term abutilons were elective and that dismembering the fetus for an abortion didn't exist. Your link mentions D&E abortions, which I was referring to and even says they're the most common kind.

Please argue in good faith.

Your dumb ass was trying to imply that they crush viable fetuses. Don't be obtuse.

This is what happens during a D & E. There is no "crushing" a live fetus involved. It's already dead during evacuation.

 

[Puff]

Your dumb ass was trying to imply that they crush viable fetuses. Don't be obtuse.

This is what happens during a D & E. There is no "crushing" a live fetus involved. It's already dead during evacuation.

Whether they kill it then crush it's head or crush it's head then kill it doesn't matter much to me. You were pretending there was never any head crushing ever.
You've still managed to not pull back from the assertion that there are NO (0) elective late term abortions as well.

 

[Muh Vagina]

Whether they kill it then crush it's head or crush it's head then kill it doesn't matter much to me. You were pretending there was never any head crushing ever.
You've still managed to not pull back from the assertion that there are NO (0) elective late term abortions as well.

Cranial collapse is only done if the head is too big to pass through the cervix. You're still stubbornly insisting that it's common. Just take the L. You know nothing about abortion. You've proven this with every single sock puppet, Erischan/Feetloaf.

 

[Ghjkl63]

Cranial collapse is only done if the head is too big to pass through the cervix. You're still stubbornly insisting that it's common. Just take the L. You know nothing about abortion. You've proven this with every single sock puppet, Erischan/Feetloaf.

"just take the L" -someone who refuses to take the L

 

[jenstark101]

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/02/us/kansas-abortion-rights-vote.html

Kansas is a red state (don't know if it ever voted Democrat in a presidential election in the last 50 years)
supreme court move was simply unpopular

 

[Muh Vagina]

"just take the L" -someone who refuses to take the L

Because I'm not losing. I'm not the one posting "sources" from anti-choice think tanks. If you want to prove your point, don't link to studies conducted by rabid anti-choicers that have been discredited by multiple reputable medical associations.