The Abortion Debate Containment Thread - Put abortion sperging here.

[Eris!]

I used to be pro-life a long time ago, and then I got laid and freaked out thinking that if I got her pregnant, I'd be fucked. I then became pro-choice.

Exactly. Thank you for admitting that you are being disingenuous and are using motivated reasoning. Thank you for admitting you will gladly ignore the moral implications because of personal self-interest. This is exactly my point: That none of you actually believe anything you say, that your reasoning is motivated and bad faith, and that literally everyone on earth agrees that this is murder.

Nah, it's over 1%. But what about those women? Screw them, right?

People get raped. Hang the rapists, justice is served, move on. You still don't get to murder your baby.

No, you seem to be arguing that if you make a mistake, you should be fucked for life.

If you choose to do something that has consequences those consequences happen. "Should" has nothing to do with it, and it's certainly not true that you shouldn't suffer the consequences of your actions, such that we need systems in place to protect you from those consequences. I don't see anything inherently wrong with you fucking your own life up. I don't feel that is a problem that needs fixing. Being in control of your own life and being able to make choices that permanently effect your life for good or ill is a feature, not a bug. That's why you need to raise your kids properly, act morally, and generally behave properly: there are consequences to your choices.

Abortion isn't murder

Intentionally ending the life of a human being is murder. Your infant fetus is a human life. You literally cannot argue otherwise without sounding insane.
You literally have no counterargument. You have nothing.

 

[Sulla]

Nah, it's over 1%. But what about those women? Screw them, right?

Murder is bad. You don't get to knock out a bystander just because they watched you get robbed.

No, you seem to be arguing that if you make a mistake, you should be fucked for life. Anyone who is regularly getting laid is going to realize how stupid your argument is, with the anxiety that can follow it.

"Officer I made a mistake murdering the victim for their wallet, you can't just fuck me for life because of that 1 mistake!"

Abortion isn't murder to the vast majority of people. Only religious fundies and incels view it as such

Bandwagon fallacy, the only reason you yourself have this opinion is because you yourself allowed the murdering of your own kid and need to justify it.

 

[Sweetpeaa]

Exactly. Thank you for admitting that you are being disingenuous and are using motivated reasoning. Thank you for admitting you will gladly ignore the moral implications because of personal self-interest. This is exactly my point: That none of you actually believe anything you say, that your reasoning is motivated and bad faith, and that literally everyone on earth agrees that this is murder.


People get raped. Hang the rapists, justice is served, move on. You still don't get to murder your baby.

If you choose to do something that has consequences those consequences happen. "Should" has nothing to do with it, and it's certainly not true that you shouldn't suffer the consequences of your actions, such that we need systems in place to protect you from those consequences. I don't see anything inherently wrong with you fucking your own life up. I don't feel that is a problem that needs fixing. Being in control of your own life and being able to make choices that permanently effect your life for good or ill is a feature, not a bug. That's why you need to raise your kids properly, act morally, and generally behave properly: there are consequences to your choices.

Intentionally ending the life of a human being is murder. Your infant fetus is a human life. You literally cannot argue otherwise without sounding insane.
You literally have no counterargument. You have nothing.

How old are you anyway?

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

People get raped. Hang the rapists, justice is served, move on. You still don't get to murder your baby.

So screw the girl, she gets to pay for the baby on her own just because she was raped? You're a heartless piece of crap. I bet you also think women should be jailed for miscarriages like in certain South American countries

If you choose to do something that has consequences those consequences happen. "Should" has nothing to do with it, and it's certainly not true that you shouldn't suffer the consequences of your actions, such that we need systems in place to protect you from those consequences. I don't see anything inherently wrong with you fucking your own life up. I don't feel that is a problem that needs fixing. Being in control of your own life and being able to make choices that permanently effect your life for good or ill is a feature, not a bug. That's why you need to raise your kids properly, act morally, and generally behave properly: there are consequences to your choices.

Intentionally ending the life of a human being is murder. Your infant fetus is a human life. You literally cannot argue otherwise without sounding insane.
You literally have no counterargument. You have nothing.

Then by your logic, not wearing a mask is murder. After all, your actions result in people dying. And those are people, not fetuses.

A fetus isn't an alive human being. It isn't murder. It's no more murder when you fap to anime and kill sperm

 

[Sulla]

So screw the girl, she gets to pay for the baby on her own just because she was raped? You're a heartless piece of crap. I bet you also think women should be jailed for miscarriages like in certain South American countries

Idk if you're retarded, or being disingenuous but, you do realize that in this case the rapist would certainly be paying child support lmao.

A fetus isn't an alive human being. It isn't murder.

You got any proof of that?

Cause, mathematical proof by convergence that a fetus is a human.
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Your argument is the equivalent of:
>poison river
>village downstream from river starts getting poisoned
>"Bruh, I didn't poison them, the poison was upstream."

 

[Eris!]

How old are you anyway?

It's cute that you're so desperate to argue with a person rather than ideas.
You desperately need something to insult because you don't know what else to do.

So screw the girl, she gets to pay for the baby on her own just because she was raped?

...Yes? People raise their own children. That's normal. Why is she special?

You're a heartless piece of crap.

Am I supposed to take a personal interest in her wellbeing specifically?
Why?

Then by your logic, not wearing a mask is murder

No, a disease spreading from you to someone else is not murder.
It might be if you actively cough on them, I suppose.
Please learn the metaphysical difference between action and inaction. Please learn how personal responsibility for actions and their consequences works.

A fetus isn't an alive human being.

How is it not alive?
If it's not alive, what is it?
How is it not human?
If it's not a human, what is it?

It isn't murder.

If I walk up to a woman and stab her in the womb did I murder her fetus yes or no?

Idk if you're retarded, or being disingenuous but, you do realize that in this case the rapist would certainly be paying child support lmao.

He's already explicitly stated that he's being disingenuous. He'll use any reasoning that lets him not see himself as a murderer.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

It's cute that you're so desperate to argue with a person rather than ideas.
You desperately need something to insult because you don't know what else to do.

That's because you're avoiding our questions and coming off like an incel. How old are you anyway?

...Yes? People raise their own children. That's normal. Why is she special?

Am I supposed to take a personal interest in her wellbeing specifically?
Why?

She didn't get pregnant by choice. She didn't choose to have sex. Why is she being punished?

If I walk up to a woman and stab her in the womb did I murder her fetus yes or no?

In my opinion, nope.

Idk if you're retarded, or being disingenuous but, you do realize that in this case the rapist would certainly be paying child support lmao.

Not if they're in jail and not making money. You can't get blood from a turnip.

You got any proof of that?

Cause, mathematical proof by convergence that a fetus is a human.
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Your argument is the equivalent of:
>poison river
>village downstream from river starts getting poisoned
>"Bruh, I didn't poison them, the poison was upstream."

So you are saying that when you masturbate, you are murdering sperm? Because that's what you're basically saying. A fetus isn't a human any more than a brick on the ground is a house.

 

[The Whore of Babylon]

Idk if you're retarded, or being disingenuous but, you do realize that in this case the rapist would certainly be paying child support lmao.


You got any proof of that?

Cause, mathematical proof by convergence that a fetus is a human.
----------------------------------
Your argument is the equivalent of:
>poison river
>village downstream from river starts getting poisoned
>"Bruh, I didn't poison them, the poison was upstream."

if the "people" youre murdering have the nerve response of a 2 day old porkchop then sure retard, Id like to see you willingly fork over your tax dollars to support these precious human lives. your train of logic is as retarded as half the spuds on that thread

 

[Sulla]

if the "people" youre murdering have the nerve response of a 2 day old porkchop then sure retard, Id like to see you willingly fork over your tax dollars to support these precious human lives. your train of logic is as retarded as half the spuds on that thread

Let's simplify a person as an infinite summation of cells.
With the convergence of this infinite summation being a person.

Regardless of what time I pick, wouldn't the convergence still eventually result in a person?

In that case wouldn't a fetus be a person?

It doesn't matter if the summation is at time=0, it will converge regardless.
This isn't a time independent chemical reaction, it's going to result in a human.

So you are saying that when you masturbate, you are murdering sperm? Because that's what you're basically saying. A fetus isn't a human any more than a brick on the ground is a house.

Wrong, there is a chemical reaction taking place with a very clear end result. The individual components =/= the end product. Go brush up on mathematical limits/infinite summations fam, unless you think those are also all incorrect.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

Again, if that's murder, Where the fuck is the human? you tell me. That looks practically like vaginal discharge and that's an ''8 week abortion''

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This argument boils down to "if I can't see it as a human being, then its genetics and ontology doesn't matter-- it's not human".

It's a stupid argument.

Incels

How sex obsessed do you have to be in order to think that the core of an argument about human lives has to do with an inability to have sex?

 

[Exceptionally Exceptional]

The fewer babies born into this fucked up nightmare of a world the better. Send them back to heaven where they can be happy instead of leaving them here to wallow in misery.

 

[Sweetpeaa]

This argument boils down to "if I can't see it as a human being, then its genetics and ontology doesn't matter-- it's not human".

It's a stupid argument.


How sex obsessed do you have to be in order to think that the core of an argument about human lives has to do with an inability to have sex?

Because normal people don't obsess about abortion. A sane person with a regular sex life views abortion on a significantly less extreme polarity. Incels have a curious habit of obsessing about it because they see criminalizing it as the perfect punishment for women. Incels are denied sex so they just don't really ''get it''. They don't understand fertility, family planning or even pregnancy. They tend to be the utmost ignorant in all reproductive matters.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

Because normal people don't obsess about abortion.

This is my first time seeing you on this site, even if you're only slightly newer than I am. You have no idea what I obsess over, but you appear to think that having strong views on anything counts as an "obsession".

A sane person with a regular sex life views abortion on a significantly less extreme polarity.

What the hell does having a sex life have to do with abortion? Are you sure you just don't have an unhealthy fixation on sex and everyone else looks like an incel in your warped perception?

 

[Eris!]

That's because you're avoiding our questions and coming off like an incel. How old are you anyway?

Why do you keep asking the question I've already laughed in your face about?
You asking it is a declaration of bad faith. Why do you care who I am? Anything is true out of any mouth. I am anon.

She didn't get pregnant by choice. She didn't choose to have sex. Why is she being punished?

And this is why you people always bring up "and what if she was raped?" So you can change the discussion.
We're talking about a 16 year old whore who made bad choices. Try to keep track of the conversation. Your diversions are noticed and refused.

In my opinion, nope.

Incorrect answer. Would you like to try answering again?

Not if they're in jail and not making money. You can't get blood from a turnip.

The discussion of who supports the child is irrelevant to the discussion of whether or not murder is wrong, which is the discussion we're having. It is, by the way.

So you are saying that when you masturbate, you are murdering sperm? Because that's what you're basically saying. A fetus isn't a human any more than a brick on the ground is a house.

Why do you repeatedly make arguments to the same people who just rebutted them to you?
Do you think we forget ?
Do you just cycle between arguments hoping we forget the last one so you can use it again?

A sane person with a regular sex life

A regular sex life is getting married, having children with your wife or husband, and raising those children so that they can do the same.

They don't understand fertility, family planning or even pregnancy. They tend to be the utmost ignorant in all reproductive matters.

Don't have sex except with your husband, whore.

 

[Longjack Attack]

Have you motherfuckers ever heard of this funny concept called giving up your child for adoption?

Thats right! Instead of getting the needle, just transfer all of your sexual responsibilities to the foster home for someone else dumb enough to raise another persons kid all at the cost of keeping whatever's left of your morality in pieces all with FREE SHIPPING AND HANDLING!!!!

Seriously, i think it's good for societal morale that a woman should go through the pains of pregnancy if based on sexual irresponsibility or consensual grounds without needle intervention. After birth, the mother should be given the option to give it up for adoption. The only gray area i see with abortion is if the woman gets raped/sexually abused.

 

[Eris!]

Have you motherfuckers ever heard of this funny concept called giving up your child for adoption?

Thats right! Instead of getting the needle, just transfer all of your sexual responsibilities to the foster home for someone else dumb enough to raise another persons kid all at the cost of keeping whatever's left of your morality in pieces all with FREE SHIPPING AND HANDLING!!!!

Seriously, i think it's good for societal morale that a woman should go through the pains of pregnancy if based on sexual irresponsibility or consensual grounds without needle intervention. After birth, the mother should be given the option to give it up for adoption. The only gray area i see with abortion is if the woman gets raped/sexually abused.

I think even just abandoning your child to adoption is pretty unfathomably immoral.

 

[Mr. Bung]

Welp, this thread is turning out to be about what I expected, but it is starting to creep into Reddit tier shit. Let's ease back on some of these ad hominem attacks, maybe?

 

[Zero Day Defense]

I think even just abandoning your child to adoption is pretty unfathomably immoral.

Yeah, but at least they're not getting euthanized and there's a possibility that they'll be received by some parents who'll love them. Also, in the context of conception-by-rape where the mother would perhaps be too unwilling/unable to properly raise the child given their origin, it's very much a compromise that preserves the life of the child.

 

[Eris!]

Yeah, but at least they're not getting euthanized and there's a possibility that they'll be received by some parents who'll love them. Also, in the context of conception-by-rape where the mother would perhaps be too unwilling/unable to properly raise the child given their origin, it's very much a compromise that preserves the life of the child.

That's what family is for. Let an aunt raise the kid.
Most political issues today are only issues that exist because of a horrific gaping maw problem that everyone is ignoring.

 

[Death Grip]

Adoption can lead to attachment issues that have a life long impact.
And the majority of abortions are carried out prior to twelve weeks. And that is a clump of cells that would have no ability to survive outside of the body it is parasiting.
75 percent of women who give birth naturally, in their first labour will end up with tearing as a consequence of laboring naturally.