The Alien TV show will be about classicism - We Wuz Xenomorphs

bullshit, that's how you get lame ass preachy propaganda like district 9 or (apparently) this upcoming alien series

scifi is best when it focuses on (fictional) future technological developments and uses those as the foundations for a setting/universe which is interesting and immersive, to spark the readers own imagination
Logan's Run, Soylent Green, Planet of the Apes, arguably Star Trek and Star Wars, just to name a few. Even Aliens and Predator feature themes that tie back to the Vietnam war.

Sci-Fi oftentimes revolves around social or political issues or at least features them as part of the plot and setting.
If you want Sci-Fi that's more than just popcorn cinema, there should be something more cerebral than "technology has literally become magic" and fancy special effects. Doesn't mean you absolutely need it to make a good show or movie, but it helps. You can extrapolate issues of today, sort of allude to them by abstracting them down and transfering them onto a metaphor.

It doesn't become preachy propaganda by default or necessity. It becomes preachy propaganda when the person making it sucks at their job and District 9 and that Elysium movie that I mentioned are perfect examples, since they are full of themselves, while their LOLSODEEP crap is the most shallow and idioticly trite navel gazing. They beat you over the head with a message so blunt and blatant that you need to be braindead to think it's subtle or well-crafted.
 
Noah Hawley is an insanely talented writer/showrunner (Fargo, Legion)... but this might be his first huge (TV-related) misstep.

I won't know, either way. I'm not even going to give it a chance.
 
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Noah Hawley is an insanely talented writer/showrunner (Fargo, Legion)... but this might be his first huge (TV-related) misstep.

I won't know, either way. I'm not even going to give it a chance.
I loved the Fargo show, probably one of my favorite Movie to TV adaptations since MASH
 
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I have serious doubts its going to be as simple as classism and wealth inequality. No one cares about contemporary classism, they care about what color of said people make up what classes. The only classism will be a majority white men making up the rich while the amalgamated browns are the lower class. Its just going to reinforce current establishment narratives on white privilege etc
 
Alien: Covenant is bad and I would not spend my evening watching it again.


Now look at Terminator franchise and try saying it again.
As bad as the later Scott helmed aliens were they where no where near as bad as the later terminator films.... Actually can we all just agree 80s scifi is as dead as the decade itself?
 
This is going to be even more retarded than Prometheus and Alien: Covenant combined and that's already fucking retarded.
At least they aren't going to ruin Ripley's character... directly.

I was afraid they'd reimagine her a POC then have a field day calling anyone who criticized it a racist.

Wait, what? How in the fuck the franchise is still alive?

It's better left dead. But we gotta interject the woke into everything possible. I just hope they don't go too crazy and keep it to realistic class problems.
 
I can see it now

"Yeah I know Weyland Yutani is evil, but wait... they stand for CAPITALISM, Weyland was FUCKING A WHITE MALE, and they want alien bioweapons for IMPERIALISM!!!! BLM! BLM!"

or finally show them getting bought out by Walmart and they go "Extra Evil Americans buy out the already evil British-Japanese company"
 
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I was afraid they'd reimagine her a POC then have a field day calling anyone who criticized it a racist.
"We cloned Ripley did an oopsie and now she's a nigger BRAVE KWEEN"? No, I reckon it would be more like the Michael Burnham situation with Star Trek - every positive event, every success of your past heroes is due to NIGGRESS SPACE JESUS.

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My guess the show will go the modern way of "corporation bad, limitless government power good".
BUT WAT IF GUBMINT BAD? WAT IF GUBMINT ORANGE MUSSOLINI OR NAZI GERMANY?
 
Class played a role in the original Alien, as the higher ups on the ships (the officers) were clearly more rewarded than the grunt workers (the engineers). Parker kept whining about how he and Brett didn't get as big a cut of the loot as the others did, despite being the ones who did the most work on the ship.

Something tells me this show isn't going to be about that, but about how evil Whitey is to future POCs. What I'd like to see is a show that explores some of the worldbuilding that surrounds the original alien movie. Some of the crew dossiers that were flashed onscreen in Aliens revealed a world where people's worth was based on what value they were to the Company, which made virtually all of the decisions about a person's life, down to what gender they'd be at birth (Lambert had originally been born a male) and whether they could have a kid or not. (Ripley was a promising officer who got busted to a backwater ship like the Nostromo because she decided to have a kid out of wedlock instead of aborting it.)
 
Its not an angle that can't work. Plenty of class subtext was in the original films.

It comes down to execution. It can be done in a clever way or ham fisted.

I think we can predict(which way)on the showrunner and their previous work.

Edit: he worked on Fargo and Bones. Fargo was pretty good, but I'm not familar with his other stuff.
 
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The original films were already fairly woke in that they had a main villain in the form of Weyland Yutani the wealthy white male CEO of a biotech firm who put the entire human race in jeopardy in pursuit of profit and was also a war criminal and rapist.
 
Class played a role in the original Alien, as the higher ups on the ships (the officers) were clearly more rewarded than the grunt workers (the engineers). Parker kept whining about how he and Brett didn't get as big a cut of the loot as the others did, despite being the ones who did the most work on the ship.

Something tells me this show isn't going to be about that, but about how evil Whitey is to future POCs. What I'd like to see is a show that explores some of the worldbuilding that surrounds the original alien movie. Some of the crew dossiers that were flashed onscreen in Aliens revealed a world where people's worth was based on what value they were to the Company, which made virtually all of the decisions about a person's life, down to what gender they'd be at birth (Lambert had originally been born a male) and whether they could have a kid or not. (Ripley was a promising officer who got busted to a backwater ship like the Nostromo because she decided to have a kid out of wedlock instead of aborting it.)
I was gonna say, the fact that it “takes place in the Aliens universe” just means there will be a couple passing references to the films, and the show is just going to be about how “racism is bad. Could easily have been an entirely different show that they just slapped the Aliens label on to get people to watch it.
 
The original films were already fairly woke in that they had a main villain in the form of Weyland Yutani the wealthy white male CEO of a biotech firm who put the entire human race in jeopardy in pursuit of profit and was also a war criminal and rapist.
No one knew who was the CEO of that company until Prometheus.
 
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Now then the big question is will it be as bad as Picard or worse?

I mean xenomorphs prove that men can have babies.
 
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I would be very impressed if this turns out good. It's ideal for Hollywood Hacks to go this route: get on your soapbox (but not really do anything) about the 1% (which they are) and do a bunch of bullshit that won't require advanced CGI or makeup with the Alien.
I mean, Weyland-Yutani‘s actions throughout the Alien Trilogy and Burke in Aliens explore the sort of corporatism the Aliens/Predator universe has going on in it. Seems like a fairly interesting direction to take the series.
I’ll reserve full judgement until we have an actual show to see, but it sounds like a decent idea given to a good team.
 
Some dongs are pointing out that classism was a thing in the movies but it was in the background. Far in the background. Barely a thing in Alien, a little more prominent in Aliens and Alien 3 but it was still far in the background. The fact that the show runner is highlighting this element as a main theme is very worrisome.

Reading this post I have to ask: "Did IQ's just drop sharply while I was away?" Something being worked in organically rather than hit you over the head with it modern woke style doesn't mean that it wasn't an integral element of the films. The long boardroom scene where the suits just wont listen to Ellen and are more concerned with her "detonating the engine's of and thereby destroying an M-class star freighter. A very expensive piece of equipment". Burke's "this installation represents a substantial dollar investment" when Riply suggests nuking it from orbit. That the very motivating event for everything that follows in the first movie is the Company screwing over their workers to get them to bring back the organism. Nobody remembers "Crew Expendable" on Mother's computer screen when Ellen finally gets access to it? The very reason the colony is destroyed in the second movie is because Burke doesn't want to share rights to the organism "nobody gets a cut" are his words if I remember. Is it Four or Two where they make reference to the organism's value in "urban pacification"? In the second movie the reason Ripley is working on the docks (and apparently where she learns to handle the loader suit she uses at the end) is because the Company has her blacklisted, revoked her licence and as Burke says: "it's all you could get". The breakfast scene in the first movie is filled with Brett and Parker talking about their "shares" and Dallas shuts them up and gets them to go along with the mission they don't want to by quoting their contract and telling them "forfeiture of all shares" is what happens if they disobey. These people literally die in both movies as a DIRECT consequence of the Company and its executives seeking to increase their profit.

I mean, you have to be actively not wanting to see it to say that money / corporate / classisim was "far, in the background" of these movies.

I have watched the first and second movie many times and third one several. I've even watched the fourth one a few times (mainly for the basketball scene and the xenomorphs swimming but whatever). It's a recurrent, central theme in both of the first movies. There's no reason based on those movies that it shouldn't be a theme in a TV series.

The two reasons - and they're nothing to do with the movies - that class issues shouldn't be in the TV series is firstly because to accurately deal with class issues as we have them today you have to engage with and challenge how identity politics are used to divert and neuter actual organization against corrupt elites. And no mainstream funded project is going to go against the Woke mob. And the second reason is like it - it's likely going to promote socialism / socialists as the counter to a corrupt oligarchy and the oligarchs / Company will be equated with modern day Republicans, Trump, etc. which is precisely the wrong way round.

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I mean, Weyland-Yutani‘s actions throughout the Alien Trilogy and Burke in Aliens explore the sort of corporatism
Corporatism is a left-wing / big state approach to governing where government is structured along aspects of industry / society such that, for example, an Education union has a voice in overall policy, a Manufacturing union has a voice, etc. It shares a root with "corporation", both coming from corpus meaning body but they are not the same thing. You mean corpocracy. But more normally called oligarchy. If I seem a little pendantic on the subject it's (a) because I'm pedantic but (b) the Nazis practiced corporatism and that is used by ignorant people to claim that the Nazis were right-wing.
 
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