The Amazing Digital Circus - Western Isekai that probably will become Hazbin Hotel killer

The Wise Shaman said:
I think the biggest flaw of TADC is how the first two episodes are different from the rest. Episodes 1 and 2 have a clear focus on the nature of the circus, revealing lore piece by piece. Episodes 3, 4, 5, and 6 (and even 2 to a degree) steer away from the lore and focus on character interactions and melodrama with almost nothing relevant to the story happening. The first two episodes create expectations for a different type of cartoon, basically. This is why episode 7 pissed off so many people (myself included), because the audience had clear expectations, and they were given a bad plot twist after nothing happening for many episodes.
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There's also a lot less psychological horror after Episode 2. The whole premise of the show was that it was more than a wacky cartoon adventure and the environment has a more sinister underbelly. One of the things I loved about Gaslight District and Knights of Guinevere's pilots was how they took rather unassuming things (angels and princesses) and made them look creepy.
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With this show, the "not a baby show" stuff is just the characters in mundane settings doing stuff like working fast food, talking in a bar, and shooting each other with guns. Way to take advantage of your setting, Goosey.
 
I read this from somewhere else on the web but they essentially pointed out that Zooble stopped having her "body issues" as of Episode 7, with her finally stating that she's fine with it, all because she's formed a close bond with Gangle and the two had that one talk in one scene.

This is one example of a growing issue in how the Digital Circus tackles character problems, it presents some issue the character has, builds it up, and then quickly and anticlimactically resolves it without the deserved emotional payoff, the same happened with Ragatha in her feeling insecure in how she seemingly can't get close to anyone else, but then that talk with Kinger in the dark fixes, and what about Gangle?, clearly unwell after years of torment by Jax, general Circus fatigue, with her having an incredibly fragile emotional state as a result, is pretty much absent after episode 4 and she hooks up with Zooble, judging by this pattern of resolution, I'm afraid that the same thing is going to happen to both Kinger and Jax for their respective issues.
 
BigJoey41X said:
I read this from somewhere else on the web but they essentially pointed out that Zooble stopped having her "body issues" as of Episode 7, with her finally stating that she's fine with it, all because she's formed a close bond with Gangle and the two had that one talk in one scene.

This is one example of a growing issue in how the Digital Circus tackles character problems, it presents some issue the character has, builds it up, and then quickly and anticlimactically resolves it without the deserved emotional payoff, the same happened with Ragatha in her feeling insecure in how she seemingly can't get close to anyone else, but then that talk with Kinger in the dark fixes, and what about Gangle?, clearly unwell after years of torment by Jax, general Circus fatigue, with her having an incredibly fragile emotional state as a result, is pretty much absent after episode 4 and she hooks up with Zooble, judging by this pattern of resolution, I'm afraid that the same thing is going to happen to both Kinger and Jax for their respective issues.
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That tends to happen when you waste more than half your shows total run time DOING ALMOST FUCKING NOTHING with the plot to instead fuck around in episodic sandboxes. There is almost no way for characters to change and grow naturally in a story if the overall plot doesn't move them towards the paths that will allow for growth and change. So an episodic show that wants serialized characters is stuck having those changes happen suddenly and or off screen.

Its a bad idea and you pretty much can't have an episodic show where the plot is only really relevant at the beginning and end of its run time AND have serialized characters who evolve and grow throughout the entire show. You can transition from episodic to serialized and vice versa, but you can't do both at the same time.

If this was the path the tranny wanted to go down (and its not an ideal path, but workable with the right amount of effort/talent), then all the character changes need to happen at the beginning and the end where the season long plot was contained. The episodic middle portion is reserved for getting to know the characters and having fun with the concept of the show, not for major character changes and resolutions that are rushed and unearned.

I have already made it known though that this entire thing should have been serialized from the beginning and focused on pomni trying to "escape" the circus. Making allies, trying to figure out who to trust, breaking the program, etc. etc.
 
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BigJoey41X said:
I read this from somewhere else on the web but they essentially pointed out that Zooble stopped having her "body issues" as of Episode 7, with her finally stating that she's fine with it, all because she's formed a close bond with Gangle and the two had that one talk in one scene.

This is one example of a growing issue in how the Digital Circus tackles character problems, it presents some issue the character has, builds it up, and then quickly and anticlimactically resolves it without the deserved emotional payoff, the same happened with Ragatha in her feeling insecure in how she seemingly can't get close to anyone else, but then that talk with Kinger in the dark fixes, and what about Gangle?, clearly unwell after years of torment by Jax, general Circus fatigue, with her having an incredibly fragile emotional state as a result, is pretty much absent after episode 4 and she hooks up with Zooble, judging by this pattern of resolution, I'm afraid that the same thing is going to happen to both Kinger and Jax for their respective issues.
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I don't think its planned to be a very long series. I could be entirely wrong I'm fairly casual just watching episodes when they pop up. My guess is its paced to end somewhere in the 10-12 episode range. That is why things seem to be moving so quickly...
 
BigJoey41X said:
I read this from somewhere else on the web but they essentially pointed out that Zooble stopped having her "body issues" as of Episode 7, with her finally stating that she's fine with it, all because she's formed a close bond with Gangle and the two had that one talk in one scene.
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I love how they have to have Zooble explain that they've accepted their body as if audiences couldn't infer that after they utilized their spare parts in Episode 6.
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BigJoey41X said:
I read this from somewhere else on the web but they essentially pointed out that Zooble stopped having her "body issues" as of Episode 7, with her finally stating that she's fine with it, all because she's formed a close bond with Gangle and the two had that one talk in one scene.

This is one example of a growing issue in how the Digital Circus tackles character problems, it presents some issue the character has, builds it up, and then quickly and anticlimactically resolves it without the deserved emotional payoff, the same happened with Ragatha in her feeling insecure in how she seemingly can't get close to anyone else, but then that talk with Kinger in the dark fixes, and what about Gangle?, clearly unwell after years of torment by Jax, general Circus fatigue, with her having an incredibly fragile emotional state as a result, is pretty much absent after episode 4 and she hooks up with Zooble, judging by this pattern of resolution, I'm afraid that the same thing is going to happen to both Kinger and Jax for their respective issues.
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This is how emotionally unstable people solve issues.

"Zooble and Gangle are a couple now so all their problems are fixed!"
This is tranny writing. Co-dependency is BAD btw
Whiskey said:
I don't think its planned to be a very long series. I could be entirely wrong I'm fairly casual just watching episodes when they pop up. My guess is its paced to end somewhere in the 10-12 episode range. That is why things seem to be moving so quickly...
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There are 2 episodes left. 8 and 9
 
PsychoJenny said:
I watched a youtube video about how this shit is basically just a re-tread of SOMA and the people in the Circus are just copies of the people who put on the headset so there is no escape since they are just digital copies of a person.
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Sitting in a chair for weeks without food and water will do that to you; but the writer can just insert 'a day in the circus is just a minute in real life' and all the bodily requirements vanish. It's a common enough trope, no one would bat an eye at it. Goose has studiously avoided the question of how the bodies are surviving for the entire run of the show. Presumably to keep options open for how it ends.
 
Chilson said:
I have already made it known though that this entire thing should have been serialized from the beginning and focused on pomni trying to "escape" the circus. Making allies, trying to figure out who to trust, breaking the program, etc. etc.
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You're right, but that type of story is the antithesis of what Goose wants.
He desperately wants to ground into the minds of the characters and audience that "Life is hell, and you can't change the world you're in, but you can change how you react to it."
It's like Groundhog Day, only gay and stupid.
 
ThisIsGonnaBeGood said:
You're right, but that type of story is the antithesis of what Goose wants.
He desperately wants to ground into the minds of the characters and audience that "Life is hell, and you can't change the world you're in, but you can change how you react to it."
It's like Groundhog Day, only gay and stupid.
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Even if I DIDN'T hate every story that ended with "The world and your life suck, but you should be happy about it anyway", I'd never write SOMA and have story immediately ignore its setup while Catherine and Simon decide maybe the apocalyptic, decaying undersea lab isn't THAT bad because AM let them go go-karting or ghost hunting or something every week.
 
Any other ending that isn't SOMA will lead to a convoluted plothole filled exposition, people in the real world would have mentioned about the mysterious disappearances related to a certain office building, either on the news or via urban legends, or people would have at least stumbled on the bodies there. In another show, important stuff like this would have been adressed by the characters way earlier, but TADC priority is Gangle's fast food job.
 
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If soma theory is true and it ends up that Zooble, the trans metaphor character, has to learn how to live and accept the skin she was born”assigned” at “birth” (when she spawned at the circus), well that would be a huge irony, wouldn’t it?
 
cremechocolate said:
This seems interesting.
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Funny thing, I just saw people on tiktok not interested in it for one thing, pomni in this is going to be voiced by kittensneeze: kittensneeze is a voice actor, a singer, and a animator (whos animated for spindlehorse on helluva boss and whatnot) and people on tiktok despise her, or say she doesn't sound like pomni.
Some comments from one of the voice actors for this.
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Here's how @GoopyAlphaChud explained why people hate her.
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I’ve seen people still trying to cancel YouTubers like KittenSneeze for making edgy jokes when they were teenagers. The difference was that KittenSneeze was actually 13 when those tweets were dug up (and she’s since moved on and disavowed everything she’s ever said and done when she was a teenager - y’know, MOVING ON)
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Tldr: edgy tweets when she was a minor, people on tiktok or other parts of the internet call her a nazi, racist, etc. However this is probably just a complete nothingburger at the end of the day as while people keep repeating the "muh, she's problematic, she's edgy thing" she's still works for spindlehorse, and still is making music videos, art, etc, for either herself or other people.
 
Bom Taker said:
Funny thing, I just saw people on tiktok not interested in it for one thing, pomni in this is going to be voiced by kittensneeze: kittensneeze is a voice actor, a singer, and a animator (whos animated for spindlehorse on helluva boss and whatnot) and people on tiktok despise her, or say she doesn't sound like pomni.
Some comments from one of the voice actors for this.
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Here's how @GoopyAlphaChud explained why people hate her.

Tldr: edgy tweets when she was a minor, people on tiktok or other parts of the internet call her a nazi, racist, etc. However this is probably just a complete nothingburger at the end of the day as while people keep repeating the "muh, she's problematic, she's edgy thing" she's still works for spindlehorse, and still is making music videos, art, etc, for either herself or other people.
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Disregarding all the other atrocities they've committed, the amount of long-term emotional and psychological damage China has done to an entire generation of children with TikTok warrants them being nuked.
 
Nah, I think Goose is gonna milk this for as long as it turns a profit. Glitch has nothing else going for it unless they revive MD.

Nothing keeps a show alive like keeping people guessing and abusing your audience by telling them they're retarded.

If it ends, it will be in a way that says, "UMMMM. This is just a cartoon, morons." And there will be a dance party to legally distinct Smash Mouth.
 
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