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"Years later" he did a fluff video saying "Betterhelp wasn't actually bad, they just had a bad TOS".

There's no explanation as to why it took literal years and no actual admission of Betterhelp being a scam. He actually refers to to the idea that the BH councilors are not properly trained as an "allegation" and treats them as baseless, even though there's info about that in this very thread. He literally goes on to say that people that had a bad experience with BetterHelp were, and I'm quoting, "an extreme minority". He claims to have went to the office and interviewed people and then goes down with a gigantic "pity me, I'm sad too" tirade about how terrible it was and claims that he still uses BetterHelp.

I'm not trying to be insulting - but this is very clearly a fluff piece disguised as an apology. There is nothing in depth about this video and the majority of the video is spent talking up BetterHelp as a service and downplaying actual credible allegations that it was and is a scam. This is such a good video I would not be surprised if he got paid for it by Betterhelp. The video took "years" to come out because he was waiting for the heat to die down and the BH relaunch.
I'm not trying to defend the guy. Like I said, I knew he had no intention of admitting fault, and instead opted to minimize as much of the criticism against BH as possible. I just found it odd that you responded to a comment from November that asked if Defranco would talk about his involvement with BH, and didn't bother to address the video I posted earlier. Instead you made it sound like he had no intention of mentioning the subject at all.

Still, I do agree with most of the points you raised.
 
Lockdown let them start 'legitimizing' their business in the eyes of the uninformed and desperate being kept away from contact with friends and family for over a year. A lot of other betterhelp clones rose to prominence during as well. Most of them are equally bad.
Yeah, I could see a lot of investment firms seeing how depressed everyone was during the pandemic and then investing in a remote "mental health" service.
 
Yeah, I could see a lot of investment firms seeing how depressed everyone was during the pandemic and then investing in a remote "mental health" service.
They sure did invest.
Guy's a tryhard communist and blames capitalism for things at some point in the video, but he shows plenty of footage from several types of these 'services'. At least a few made bank during that time, probably mostly from VC investment.
 
Have people stopped giving BetterHelp backlash? I see numerous videos from various youtubers sponsored by them. Seems like no one remembers the fiasco that happened.
Youtubers are the group of advertisers with the least amount of morals or integrity.

Betterhelp could have show up and hit a Youtuber's mother with a bus and they'd still shill the product for the right price. They'd have the corpse on the thumbnail with something like "Betterhelp killed my mom with a bus but can help you! <PROMOCODE>!"
 
Online counseling company BetterHelp has agreed to pay $7.8 million to settle charges from the Federal Trade Commission that it improperly shared customers’ sensitive data with companies like Facebook and Snapchat, even after promising to keep it private. The proposed order, announced by the FTC on Thursday, would ban the same behavior in the future and require BetterHelp to make some changes to how it handles customer data.

According to the regulator, the sign-up process for the company’s service “promised consumers that it would not use or disclose their personal health data except for limited purposes.” However, the FTC alleges that the company instead “used and revealed consumers’ email addresses, IP addresses, and health questionnaire information to Facebook, Snapchat, Criteo, and Pinterest for advertising purposes.”

The FTC also says that the company gave customer service agents false scripts to try and reassure users that it wasn’t sharing personally identifiable or personal health information after a February 2020 report from Jezebel exposed some of its practices. The commission’s complaint accuses the company of misleading customers by putting a HIPAA seal on its website, despite the fact that “no government agency or other third party reviewed [BetterHelp]’s information practices for compliance with HIPAA, let alone determined that the practices met the requirements of HIPAA.”

“BetterHelp betrayed consumers’ most personal health information for profit,” said Samuel Levine, FTC bureau of consumer protection director, according to the agency’s press release. The commission says that “used consumers’ email addresses and the fact that they had previously been in therapy to instruct Facebook to identify similar consumers and target them with advertisements,” helping it bring in “tens of thousands of new paying users and millions of dollars in revenue.”

If the FTC’s order ends up going through, the $7.8 million would go to customers who signed up for the service between August 1st, 2017, and December 31st, 2020. Here are some of the other things BetterHelp would be required to do:
  • Stop sharing individually identifiable information about consumer’s mental health with any third parties
  • Stop misrepresenting its data collection and use policies
  • Alert customers who created accounts before January 1st, 2021, that their personal info may have been used for advertising
  • Obtain “affirmative express consent” from a customer before sharing information with a third party
  • Reach out to third parties that received customer information and ask that it be deleted
  • Establish a “comprehensive privacy program” and have an independent third party carry out privacy assessments
The requirements would largely be in place for the next 20 years. The FTC says that the agreement will go through a 30-day public comment period before it makes a final decision on whether to put it into effect. It’s worth noting, though, that the proposal passed the commission by a 4 to 0 vote, so it does seem to have a fair amount of support.

By agreeing to the order, BetterHelp isn’t admitting or denying many of the allegations brought against it by the FTC. In a statement posted to its website, the company calls its practices “industry-standard” but says: “we understand the FTC’s desire to set new precedents around consumer marketing, and we are happy to settle this matter with the agency.” It also clarifies that it’s never shared information like “members’ names or clinical data from therapy sessions” with “advertisers, publishers, social media platforms, or any other similar third parties.”

It’s far from the first time that concerns have been raised about BetterHelp or other online mental healthcare providers. Last year, lawmakers, including Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) and Ron Wyden (D-OR), sent a letter to BetterHelp asking for information on what data the service collected, how it was used, and how it interacted and disclosed its dealings with online advertisers and social media companies. Mozilla has also said that when it reviewed 32 mental health apps, it found that 28 of them shared people’s info with other companies.

While selling people’s mental health data isn’t necessarily illegal — even if they haven’t given consent, according to a report from The Washington Post — the FTC has been cracking down on companies that it determines are doing it improperly. Earlier this year, it fined GoodRx $1.5 million for sending health data to companies like Google and Facebook and barred the company from doing so again in the future.
Correction March 2nd, 5:57PM ET: A previous headline for this article said that BetterHelp sold the data, when the FTC has only accused it of sharing the data. The headline has been updated, and context about how the data was used has been added to the article. We regret the error.

https://www.theverge.com/2023/3/2/2...er-data-advertising-privacy-facebook-snapchat
https://archive.is/wip/5657u
 
"BetterHelp is discreet and is cheap."

*BetterHelp fucking sued for selling data of users and users leave in drove after flase marketing of prices*

Philip DeFucko going to have to go on maximum white knight mode if he is going to save his investiment.
Opps I mean "flase slanderous rumors about a company he believes in."
 
Reddit discussion about this:
Archiver is busted at the moment. I'll have to quote a few comments.


Worked for them for three months to supplement income. Concerning practices and policies led me to resign quickly. The payment schedule is ridiculous and unethical practices are required in order to grow a caseload.
Bro, when I worked there I was so confused. Like, we don’t write notes? Why am I seeing a person from Ireland or Timbuktu when I’m not even licensed in that country let alone another state? What do you mean there’s a word cap to my pay? Any trainings or ideas how to set boundaries with clients?
Y’all, it’s like they want their therapists to be pieces of shit. Like, if I were to treat my clients the way BetterHelp wanted me to I’d be offering cheap advice (therapists don’t really give advice per say) seeing like 80 people a week for 15-30 mins a session. That’s the only way to make a livable wage as a therapist for this god awful piece of shit company.
To put things in perspective: good therapists usually see 15-30 people a week. And 30 is pushing it. Some get up to 35 clients but you really don’t want to go beyond that.
And the pay was shit. I did it in 2020 and made like 20 an hour. I can easily replace that with 2-4 extra clients at my current job. Fuck that horrible place.
And for those of you understand this: these mother fuckers aren’t just violating data rights their violating HIPPA. If I violate HIPPA I lose my rights as a therapist to practice. My license is pretty much revoked and I gotta find a new field to work in.
Do not trust BetterHelp. There are plenty of good online platforms that protect your information and data, provide therapists with good pay and a caseload, and isn’t a minefield of unethical fuckery.
 
So, I'm seeing ads on YouTube more often for this crap again, aswell as more khantent creators making their own ads for this hotline too. Is it still a fraud?

Edit: Sure is. It's astounding how stupid people on YouTube can be, recommending shit like this, without looking into the companies they are advertising. Oh well, hopefully it ruins their reputations as well.
 
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So, I'm seeing ads on YouTube more often for this crap again, aswell as more khantent creators making their own ads for this hotline too. Is it still a fraud?

Edit: Sure is. It's astounding how stupid people on YouTube can be, recommending shit like this, without looking into the companies they are advertising. Oh well, hopefully it ruins their reputations as well.
Yeah, I remember seeing Giant Bomb's podcast having ads for this during...2021, I want to say, and then being surprised that the BetterHelp website had drastically changed its design. Still a shady business, tho.
 
So, I'm seeing ads on YouTube more often for this crap again, aswell as more khantent creators making their own ads for this hotline too. Is it still a fraud?

Edit: Sure is. It's astounding how stupid people on YouTube can be, recommending shit like this, without looking into the companies they are advertising. Oh well, hopefully it ruins their reputations as well.

The Always Sunny Podcast has long ad reads for them too, which is depressing. They've been called on it politely but the writer who hosts the show said that she used it for one thing a while back so it's fine. (It's not fine).
 
with so much traditional therapy and even psychiatry using tele-health options it’s pretty insidious that BetterHelp puts itself out there as counseling when it isn’t, and then can’t stick to HIPAA in order to sell your juicy counseling texts. The legit side of the business has gone all virtual so it helps blur the lines and make vulnerable people think $260 a quarter to text some unqualified anonymous person is actually therapy. I’m sure it’s not covered by health insurance so it’s probably attractive to the uninsured (for whom traditional counseling would be prohibitively expensive).
 
The Always Sunny Podcast has long ad reads for them too, which is depressing. They've been called on it politely but the writer who hosts the show said that she used it for one thing a while back so it's fine. (It's not fine).
I haven't watched one of those in a while. Been listening to CumTown re-broadcasts on like YouTube. Makes work more interesting. I remember those podcasts being funny as hell as hell too.
 
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