The Boys - An Amazon Prime adaptation of the Ennis comic series

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I find it kind of weird how he can kill multiple superpowered people but can't handle some random Russian bitch hanging out in a bodega all day

That character is straight up a Mac Guffin for them to go to Russia.

There's fuck all point to Frenchie if he is constantly fucking boring and you have absolutely zero reason to give a shit about his uninteresting backstory. Swerve the comics and have him killed off next episode once he isn't needed to move the plot on any more. He fucking sucks and Asian Hotty can communicate with her phone now and be roughly a thousand times more interesting than him with no spoken dialogue.

I'm getting to the point where i'm skipping scenes that are just him and one other character because nothing he does matters.
 
Yeah....the second episode literally starts with Vort using BLM/LGBT/etc as a way to sell Donut Hamburgers to a bunch of people. The shows "everything you hold sacred will be used to con you to make money" through line is refreshing in a way.
The reason WHY they do this is the wokies think the corpos supporting them is shallow and they actually don't give a shit about anything but making a profit.
It's still woke.
 
That character is straight up a Mac Guffin for them to go to Russia.

There's fuck all point to Frenchie if he is constantly fucking boring and you have absolutely zero reason to give a shit about his uninteresting backstory. Swerve the comics and have him killed off next episode once he isn't needed to move the plot on any more. He fucking sucks and Asian Hotty can communicate with her phone now and be roughly a thousand times more interesting than him with no spoken dialogue.

I'm getting to the point where i'm skipping scenes that are just him and one other character because nothing he does matters.

I like Frenchie but and this is the important thing, he requires more than some side character to interact with. When he's paired with any of the other crew, he shines best. Especially when they're thick in shit and he's bandying back and fourth with MM. I'll be truly disappointed in the writers if he is involved romantically in any way with Kimiko though. I personally think Frenchie is going to get iced and Kimiko will see that as her stepping stone to grow.
 
New seasons pretty fun.

The 'woke' stuff is there, and it isn't particularly even handed either. It's very much on the side of the 'right side of history' with the 'Black man unjustly curbtsomped', 'The CIA only sold crack to blacks to destroy them!' and other stuff. But it's also so inoffensive, and inkeeping with The Boys universe, that you'd basically have to go looking for it to be bothered by it. The universe of the Boys is so twisted that I could 100% see vought selling crack to only black neighborhoods, or pouring toxic waste into childrens milk, or shit like that.

I think it's much better than season 2 so far. Homelander is really cracking and it's going to be beautiful when he snaps and just starts butchering people. He knows he's going to do it, everyone around him knows that he's going to do it as well. The best part of it is, that Homelander is one of the biggest victims of Vought as much as he is the monster that needs to be put down. Stan Edgar and his type turned a little boy into a living nuclear bomb, then kept prodding, and poking him because they assumed he was a sufficiently whipped dog. Stormfront comes along and takes off that metaphorical collar by just pointing out that compared to him, most people aren't worth even gaining the adulation of. Then Stormfront gets sliced and diced by the kid, and suddenly he doesn't have a partner to give him structure to his vague idea of 'me good and great, everyone else suck dick'. So he just dicks around morosely.
Then she dies, and suddenly he just sort of seems to go 'fuck it'. Like he knows that there's no coming back, he doesn't have a grand plan, he doesn't have an overarching plot, he's just going to enjoy himself until the dice roll snake eyes. Then he's going to turn the entire US into rubble and start killing people for shits and giggles. It's a nice reversal, where instead of Homelander hunting them, or them trying to corral Homelander he's just up called them out. Told Starlight to use her nuclear option, so he can get around to just destroying everything; and he's pushing her to try and do it. He comes off as kinda suicidal, or at least self destructive.

A-Train might be getting a redemption arc, which might be neat; A-Train is a pretty interesting character, and watching him try and interact with the world as essentially a normal man when he used to be one of the 7's frontline up might be cool. The Deep is just a meme at this point, the inkling of 'maybe he can be saved' they were doing in season 2 is just outright gone. Also RIP timothy. His wife is kinda hot though, which is neat.

The CIA blackops stuff was a neat idea. But it was also weird that they sent out these shit tier supes, evidently without giving them even basic training, or camouflage gear. It kind of moved beyond the 'serious parody' tone of the show and into the outright retarded. One of the women is wearing neon red, in a green jungle. Black Noir, I don't think they're going to the clone twist with him. It doesn't really make sense, or work with Homelander as he is. I do wonder what happened to all those super terrorists that were supposed to exist with Homelander handing out compound V. Are they just causing havoc in third world countries offscreen?
 
I really do think the A-Train back to Africa gag was fucking great.

Also: "Is that a videogame about the slave trade?"

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I mean, I feel like it tries to be equal with the left and right, because the AoC Congressman mimic is actually a villain which is pretty much worse than the whole gunshow, which is basically just what you expect.
 
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Homelander will be portrayed as allowing Jan 6th, so he can swoop in and take credit for saving democracy.
If you read the comics,
Homelander actually carries out a January 6th attack that actually ends up with the US government massacred. Granted it was done with Homelander the subject of a MASSIVE gaslighting campaign against him so Black Noir would have the justification to murder Homelander.

And since they've 100% changed Black Noir's entire character, they will double down on Homelander and an army of loyalist supes carrying out a January 6th attack just to "own the chuds" and people who like Homelander.
 
I like the new season so far, as some people have already said its fairly even handed with the political shit when it comes to the goofy stuff, the gun show and the theme park was funny as they're basically the polar opposite politically but both hosted by Vought.

One thing I noticed is the show wants us to take some stuff more seriously than other stuf, the supe that apparently curbstomped a black guy and the CIA flooding black neighbourhoods with crack were clearly meant to be the start of serious storylines. I'm pretty sure the CIA stuff with soldierboy will be what leads directly to MM's family being killed and that's also something we're meant to take seriously and not laugh at.

Given Seth Rogen is a producer and the guy who plays Hughie is a completely insane liberal it's all very milquetoast.
 
It seems the show is making fun of both political sides. Of course people on here would get mad when they make fun of right wingers but ignore the jabs at the left. I mean the fact that the show is making fun of both sides is a rare in the entertainment field. I mean the show is making fun of the fact that corporations don't actually give a shit about BLM and only using it for profit is halious in my opinion.
Vought is pretty much portrayed as everything wrong with almost all political sides in the show.

On the neoliberal side, Vought adapts feminism and LGBT propaganda to propel itself in woke circles. They cynically co-opt Starlight's act of defiance into their own narrative as a way to recruit feminists, and Homelander even uses Queen Maeve's lesbianism to show how inclusive the Seven are, by having a gay superheroine. Come the third season, and they even promote Starlight to be Homelander's equal in the Seven, due to her good ratings. But it's not like they actually care about women and gays, it's just that they know that by pandering to these groups, they can get good ratings.

On the neocon side, Vought is selling a new version of Compound V to the government, as a way to create more reliable super-powered soldiers who would not be ruined by their celebrity status. The effect only lasts temporarily, which means the Department of Defense will have to keep buying doses at $2 million a pop. This shows Vought's shrewd capitalist side while also showing how Vought is becoming a part of the military-industrial complex; Stan Edgar wants the company to be a defense and pharmaceutical company, not a daycare for has-been superheroes and costumed prostitutes.

On the far-right side, Vought funds gun nuts and even funds pro-gun events that encourage citizens to remain armed even if the government is pushing gun control, a cynical ploy that allows the Vought rifle association to sell more guns and bullets to them. Gunpowder even offers discounts on hollow-point bullets.

It doesn't matter what your politics are, Vought embodies them one way or another, and the show mocks them, one way or another. It's in-keeping with the original Garth Ennis comic which was very dark and cynical, to the point where it makes Watchmen look like My Little Pony. They're not taking any sides, only showing how any political side can be manipulated.
 
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Why did they let Starlight get bogged and lose all that weight? This is a war crime.
 
So now I know alot of wokies Calim that the right wingers who like Homelander "don't relaize he's a parody of them or what ever" but it dawn on me have it not come to them that maybe certain people like a villain even through said villain is a offer and mass up character and love watching said character because of it.

Like one of my favorite stargate villains is Anubis who is generally considered one of the most evil villains the stargate team had face. But I loved him as a villain even through I knew the character was pure evil but that's why I loved watching him so much. The dude main goal was destroying the galaxy and recreating it. Hell his scene at the diner as "Jim" was just over all fun to watch.
 
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So now I know alot of wokies Calim that the right wingers who like Homelander "don't relaize he's a parody of them or what ever" but it dawn on me have it not come to them that maybe certain people like a villain even through said villain is a offer and mass up character and love watching said character because of it.

Like one of my favorite stargate villains is Anubis who is generally considered one of the most evil villains the stargate team had face. But I loved him as a villain even through I knew the character was pure evil but that's why I loved watching him so much. The dude main goal was destroying the galaxy and recreating it. Hell his scene at the diner as "Jim" was just over all fun to watch.
Honestly, I don't seem Homelander as anything political or even a clone of superman. He was a clone of superman in the comics, but in the show he's more of a tragic villain. Yeah, we can be shocked with the whole mommy's milk angle and shit. But Homelander himself never had a mother at all. Just a sociopathic, evil father. But his behavior and character yearns to be normal and have a family. He DESPERATELY wants it, so far to go to ignore Stormfront being a Nazi. He doesn't want to create the ubermensch, he just wants a wife and kids. The problem is he has never had anyone who genuinely cared for him. And that's the realization he has when she wants him to breed super soldiers which is why he walks off on her and why she kills herself, because she doesn't really love him. He's even willing to take care of her and nurse her back to health because he thinks its genuine.

He never had a mother or even a father. He was subjected to cruel and inhuman tests, never given any sort of affection at all, and basically was designed to be a killing machine and a serial killer from birth. He's depicted as never having a chance. He tries to understand family in only the most twisted ways, because that's all he knows.

I see his hatred for normal people as a reflection of his jealousy. He's jealous that they get to lead a normal life and he's just a construct. He's something that really doesn't exist. When he goes 'I don't even have a birthday', its like he's completely dissociated from any human experience. That even the most basic thing people have is denied to him and set up to be this ridiculous and exploitative parody of a birthday party that isn't for him nor is not even real. He sort of just wakes up to that once Stormfront dies because everyone is just trying to use him for their own ends.

Either people are too terrified of his power, which he does try to reign in early on, but it doesn't work. Or people seek to control him for profit, just looking at him as an object and a marketing gimmick. He substitutes parental love and any sort of love at all for Q numbers and adoration of the public, which is why he is in a schizophrenic relationship with them. Because that's really all he has to 'care' for him.

People who look at his relationship with Stormfront and go 'lol evil superman' miss the point. Of course he realizes she's awful for it. He doesn't share her ideology, but she gives him (what he thinks) is genuine love. Nobody else has given him that before without wanting to use him or actually shitting their pants in fear. Its why he overlooks it. He even realizes his relationship with Becca was fake, no matter how desperately he tried to make it work. He wants to try to actually be a father, even if he has no idea how.

Homelander is a God who longs for a normal life and has been abused for too long, so it has twisted everything around in his mind. He justifies it by being a 'hero', literally the only thing he has left at the beginning of season 3 that is kind of true.

He isn't a parody of republicans. At the end of the day, he's honestly just an abused child used by everyone, never allowed an identity of his own. Except for the one true purpose he was made for: War. That's why he wants to go at it with Butcher, not caring if he dies. Its because he can go out on something that's true, not something that's pure bullshit. Its why he doesn't kill Butcher, because he knows Butcher is his only worthy adversary. Destruction is evil, Homelander knows it, but its quite possibly the only true thing about him. And the only thing he can control himself. Its sort of like suicide, everything else is out of his control, except this one thing. He doesn't care about the collateral damage and the pain he causes, because he's long past the point of no return.

Homelander is a tragic villain, and you cannot excuse his acts, but he was made, not born. And the responsibility lies with Vought. Which is the real villain of the series.

This is why I think the show fares better than the comics. Ennis hates superheroes so much they just become parodies of themselves without any real motivations. I like removing the Black Noir clone arc because it puts the fault of who Homelander became directly at the feet of Vought.

Also, foreshadowing: Becca's kid is who Homelander could have become with a loving home, understanding and affection. He is actually Homelander's foil.

This is why Homelander is kind of my favorite character. Because he's really well done and the actor can convey all of this through facial expressions, its really amazing. And the fact its hard to feel sorry for him and you really have to dig is another plus.
 
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Vought is pretty much portrayed as everything wrong with almost all political sides in the show.

On the neoliberal side, Vought adapts feminism and LGBT propaganda to propel itself in woke circles. They cynically co-opt Starlight's act of defiance into their own narrative as a way to recruit feminists, and Homelander even uses Queen Maeve's lesbianism to show how inclusive the Seven are, by having a gay superheroine. Come the third season, and they even promote Starlight to be Homelander's equal in the Seven, due to her good ratings. But it's not like they actually care about women and gays, it's just that they know that by pandering to these groups, they can get good ratings.

On the neocon side, Vought is selling a new version of Compound V to the government, as a way to create more reliable super-powered soldiers who would not be ruined by their celebrity status. The effect only lasts temporarily, which means the Department of Defense will have to keep buying doses at $2 million a pop. This shows Vought's shrewd capitalist side while also showing how Vought is becoming a part of the military-industrial complex; Stan Edgar wants the company to be a defense and pharmaceutical company, not a daycare for has-been superheroes and costumed prostitutes.

On the far-right side, Vought funds gun nuts and even funds pro-gun events that encourage citizens to remain armed even if the government is pushing gun control, a cynical ploy that allows the Vought rifle association to sell more guns and bullets to them. Gunpowder even offers discounts on hollow-point bullets.

It doesn't matter what your politics are, Vought embodies them one way or another, and the show mocks them, one way or another. It's in-keeping with the original Garth Ennis comic which was very dark and cynical, to the point where it makes Watchmen look like My Little Pony. They're not taking any sides, only showing how any political side can be manipulated.
Meh, I think you're giving the show too much credit. IMO, it's just a leftist circle-jerk. Season 1 was pretty fun but I stopped watching just before the last episode of season 2 because it's so insufferable now that I just don't care anymore.

For example, in season 2, their whole justification for tard wrangling Homelander was the threat of a CNN exposé that would make the entire world hate him, all at once. (Like the CNN exposé of Stormfront that made everyone hate her, all at once, because she was a literal Nazi. Oh wow, someone's a literal Nazi? Never heard that one before.) They say something like "yeah, sure, you could kill everybody but nobody will ever love you again." Really? Zero people would find living under his rule more appealing than dying? This is a quintessential indication of writers who live in a bubble and can't comprehend anything outside it.

Then Jan 6th happens so, of course, I see their Jan 6th sockpuppet insurrectionist characters in the season 3 trailer. Now at least they finally comprehend the fact that some people might worship Homelander as a god but everything in the show is just viewed through the lense of a 90 IQ leftwing writer. You guys realize that them helping Homelander siege the Whitehouse isn't a spoiler, right? It's literally the only logical conclusion of the subplot. Sorry if I ruined the "late season surprise" for you.

The leftist 'criticisms' you cite are just typical leftist complaints, couched in dogma - they expect every company to pander to them but since nothing is ever enough, no amount of pandering is ever good enough. "Oh, all these corporations only make their logos rainbows for the month of June instead of being a rainbow all year - must be corporate cynicism!" The criticisms are never self-aware or interesting. No depictions of a troon using their position of power to impose themselves on women and children. No depictions of a stronk independent woman lamenting never having a family when she was younger. Nope, the feminist circle-jerk subplot started with the haha corporate cynicism "girls get it done!" and ended with the unironic adoption of "wow, girls really get it done!" What a truly self-aware and insightful criticism of feminism. Truly a neutral show that pokes fun at everyone.

Don't care, not gonna watch season 3. Let me know if anything interesting happens.
 
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@Secret Asshole I was referring to the fact that a lot of lefties who watch the show think Homelander is a parody of right wingers not that he is. They think right wingers liking the character means they don't get the character. When in reality I think they do. I agree with your points. Sometimes villains are well written in ways that you just like them even if their offer people hence my Anubis example.
 
Meh, I think you're giving the show too much credit. IMO, it's just a leftist circle-jerk. Season 1 was pretty fun but I stopped watching just before the last episode of season 2 because it it's so insufferable now that I just don't care anymore.

For example, in season 2, their whole justification for tard wrangling Homelander was the threat of a CNN exposé that would make the entire world hate him, all at once. (Like the CNN exposé of Stormfront that made everyone hate her, all at once, because she was a literal Nazi. Oh wow, someone's a literal Nazi? Never heard that one before.) They say something like "yeah, sure, you could kill everybody but nobody will ever love you again." Really? Zero people would find living under his rule more appealing than dying? This is a quintessential indication of writers who live in a bubble and can't comprehend anything outside it.

Then Jan 6th happens so, of course, I see their Jan 6th sockpuppet insurrectionist characters in the season 3 trailer. Now at least they finally comprehend the fact that some people might worship Homelander as a god but everything in the show is just viewed through the lense of a 90 IQ leftwing writer. You guys realize that them helping Homelander siege the Whitehouse isn't a spoiler, right? It's literally the only logical conclusion of the subplot. Sorry if I ruined the "late season surprise" for you.

The leftist 'criticisms' you cite are just typical leftist complaints, couched in dogma - they expect every company to pander to them but since nothing is ever enough, no amount of pandering is ever good enough. "Oh, all these corporations only make their logos rainbows for the month of June instead of being a rainbow all year - must be corporate cynicism!" The criticisms are never self-aware or interesting. No depictions of a troon using their position of power to impose themselves on women and children. No depictions of a stronk independent woman lamenting never having a family when she was younger. Nope, the feminist circle-jerk subplot started with the haha corporate cynicism "girls get it done!" and ended with the unironic adoption of "wow, girls really get it done!" What a truly self-aware and insightful criticism of feminism. Truly a neutral show that pokes fun at everyone.

Don't care, not gonna watch season 3. Let me know if anything interesting happens.
To be fair, the real villains of the show from the start are a woman and a black man; Madeline Stillwell and Stan Edgar. Back then, in the comic, it was James Stillwell, a white man. Madeline and Stan are the real power-brokers behind Vought, while at most, Homelander and the other heroes are naught but props. Of course they're going to make fun of the Jan. 6 guys, but that doesn't mean they also can't point out the fact that minorities are just as much a part of the corporate structure as white guys are. Even the AOC-style congresswoman who was supposedly rallying an effort to keep Vought and the supers in check happened to be a supe herself, showing how hypocritical that kind of leftist, activism is, when the activists who protest against things tend to be part of the problem they're protesting against.

They're going to use leftist complaints about the right to make fun of the right, but at the same time, they're going to use right-wing complaints about the left to make fun of the left. Right-wing complaints about how hypocritical corporations are for pandering to the left, how minorities can be just a part of the same cynical corporate structure that grinds down men into puppets, and how the same activists that claim to protest against the problem can be part of the problem.

I don't see anything particularly left-wing about the show other than the fact they mock the right, and they've done enough mocking of leftist stereotypes and corporate pandering that balance things out. Hell, the main anti-supe character, Billy Butcher, is the spitting image of the Punisher, a superhero who is a right-wing darling, and they all work for the CIA to keep the supes in check. The comic even ends with a final battle where the military rallies against the supers, making them the good guys against this evil, corporate regime.
 
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To be fair, the real villains of the show from the start are a woman and a black man; Madeline Stillwell and Stan Edgar. Back then, in the comic, it was James Stillwell, a white man. Madeline and Stan are the real power-brokers behind Vought, while at most, Homelander and the other heroes are naught but props. Of course they're going to make fun of the Jan. 6 guys, but that doesn't mean they also can't point out the fact that minorities are just as much a part of the corporate structure as white guys are. Even the AOC-style congresswoman who was supposedly rallying an effort to keep Vought and the supers in check happened to be a super herself, showing how hypocritical that kind of leftist, activism is, when the activists who protest against things tend to be part of the problem they're protesting against.

They're going to use leftist complaints about the right to make fun of the right, but at the same time, they're going to use right-wing complaints about the left to make fun of the left. Right-wing complaints about how hypocritical corporations are for pandering to the left, how minorities can be just a part of the same cynical corporate structure that grinds down men into puppets, and how the same activists that claim to protest against the problem can be part of the problem.

I don't see anything particularly left-wing about the show other than the fact they mock the right, and they've done enough mocking of leftist stereotypes and corporate pandering that balance things out. Hell, the main anti-supe character, Billy Butcher, is the spitting image of the Punisher, a superhero who is a right-wing darling, and they all work for the CIA to keep the supes in check. The comic even ends with a final battle where the military rallies against the supers, making them the good guys against this evil, corporate regime.
I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree then. I'm glad you're liking season 3!
 
To be fair, the real villains of the show from the start are a woman and a black man; Madeline Stillwell and Stan Edgar. Back then, in the comic, it was James Stillwell, a white man. Madeline and Stan are the real power-brokers behind Vought, while at most, Homelander and the other heroes are naught but props. Of course they're going to make fun of the Jan. 6 guys, but that doesn't mean they also can't point out the fact that minorities are just as much a part of the corporate structure as white guys are. Even the AOC-style congresswoman who was supposedly rallying an effort to keep Vought and the supers in check happened to be a supe herself, showing how hypocritical that kind of leftist, activism is, when the activists who protest against things tend to be part of the problem they're protesting against.

They're going to use leftist complaints about the right to make fun of the right, but at the same time, they're going to use right-wing complaints about the left to make fun of the left. Right-wing complaints about how hypocritical corporations are for pandering to the left, how minorities can be just a part of the same cynical corporate structure that grinds down men into puppets, and how the same activists that claim to protest against the problem can be part of the problem.

I don't see anything particularly left-wing about the show other than the fact they mock the right, and they've done enough mocking of leftist stereotypes and corporate pandering that balance things out. Hell, the main anti-supe character, Billy Butcher, is the spitting image of the Punisher, a superhero who is a right-wing darling, and they all work for the CIA to keep the supes in check. The comic even ends with a final battle where the military rallies against the supers, making them the good guys against this evil, corporate regime.
I do wish to point out that many times the Left creates things that go against their world view by accident quite often and don't even see it once people point it out.
 
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