The Boys - An Amazon Prime adaptation of the Ennis comic series

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Honka Honka Burning Love said:
I do wish to point out that many times the Left creates things that go against their world view by accident quite often and don't even see it once people point it out.
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But it's usually not this obvious. The AOC-style character is a supe, the white male villain is swapped out for a black man and a woman, and the corporation openly uses virtue-signaling to keep the feminists and LGBT people on their side.

What you're saying applies to say, the Starship Troopers movie, where they originally intended to make the military into a parody of fascism, but they accidentally created a military state that's progressive, meritocratic, and gender-neutral. But the way that The Boys' show handles leftism and leftist topics, is nothing short of parody, just as much a parody as Gunpowder appealing to gun nuts.
 
Hmmm... I've been watching a few clips of the current season and I think it's probably interesting enough that I'll give it a second chance:
I swear to god, if this season ends with Starlight beating Homelander with the powers of friendship and feminism, I'm going to impotently seethe about it in this thread
 
BULLY HUNTER_77 said:
Hmmm... I've been watching a few clips of the current season and I think it's probably interesting enough that I'll give it a second chance:
I swear to god, if this season ends with Starlight beating Homelander with the powers of friendship and feminism, I'm going to impotently seethe about it in this thread
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Well, the last season ended with them beating a literal Nazi with the power of love and feminism, so don't get your hopes up. It can go either way, depending on which side of the political aisle they wish to drag into the mud more.
 
LORD IMPERATOR said:
Well, the last season ended with them beating a literal Nazi with the power of love and feminism, so don't get your hopes up. It can go either way, depending on which side of the political aisle they wish to drag into the mud more.
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But that scene where she got beat up was pretty satisfying in terms of how well the violence was.
 
EAT THE FUCKING OCTOPUS
Lmao. I do enjoy insane mad as fuck Homelander, but I want to see more of simmering crazy Homelander. Anthony Starr is a prick but he knows how to do crazy god complex superhero.
 
I know this thread is about the show, but I really need to let everyone know that the 2020 comic series titled "The Boys: Dear Becky" has unironically given me a headache with how shit it was. It is genuinely astounding how well Ennis can do Punisher, but his own work ends up exposing him as a hackfraud manchild who isn't funny. Also has way too much hero worship; Captain America was made by people who would later serve in WWII and was mostly bought by US Soldiers, you oversensitive Irishman. Learn before you talk a bunch of ignorant shit.
 
Hitman One said:
EAT THE FUCKING OCTOPUS
Lmao. I do enjoy insane mad as fuck Homelander, but I want to see more of simmering crazy Homelander. Anthony Starr is a prick but he knows how to do crazy god complex superhero.
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I'm willing to bet that Vought has someone who's just as strong as Homelander, waiting in the wings. There has to be a reason that Stan Edgar treats Homelander like a dog turd on the street. They don't treat you like that in a business scenario, or in any organization, unless they have others like you, ready to take your place. In other fiction, whenever the villain has a powerful figure in his company, he tries to satisfy said powerful figure, or at least humor him. Emperor Palpatine from Star Wars, for example, barely gave a shit about hunting down the remaining Jedi after Order 66, preferring instead to leave them alive so they can bow in humility before the Sith. But since Darth Vader is his most powerful subject, he has to entertain Vader's itch for more dead Jedi and let him and his minions hunt them down.

The difference is, Stan Edgar isn't even willing to extend the same courtesy to Homelander, and there has to be a reason why. Maybe there's Homelander clones hiding in some Vought-owned vault somewhere. Maybe there's already another Homelander clone ready to snap the original's neck if he flies off the handle. Maybe Vought and the Pentagon already have some secret deal arranged where they have more refined clones of Homelander that won't fly off the handle like the original if things go south. But there has to be a reason why Stan keeps treating Homelander like shit, and why he's so confident he can control the man, as evidenced by his private conversation with Homelander.
 
LORD IMPERATOR said:
The difference is, Stan Edgar isn't even willing to extend the same courtesy to Homelander, and there has to be a reason why. Maybe there's Homelander clones hiding in some Vought-owned vault somewhere. Maybe there's already another Homelander clone ready to snap the original's neck if he flies off the handle. Maybe Vought and the Pentagon already have some secret deal arranged where they have more refined clones of Homelander that won't fly off the handle like the original if things go south. But there has to be a reason why Stan keeps treating Homelander like shit, and why he's so confident he can control the man, as evidenced by his private conversation with Homelander.
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I honestly wish you were a writer for this show, because you ask all the correct questions.

I think the real answer is the writers haven't really thought about it the implications and just get off to a black character pushing around the embodiment of all their rage: The most privileged, narcissistic, straight, white, cis, Republican male they can think of. Since Vought's "check" on Homelander can't work because it needs to be the plucky good guys that defeat him in the end, you're only going to be disappointed by whatever hackneyed solution they come up with.

Going back to the Star Wars as an example, I think Ryan Johnson planned out his hyperspace ram in exactly the same way as The Boys writers planned out Homelander scenes with Edgar: flashy and entertaining but the scene doesn't make sense if you really think about it. Yeah, maybe you could come up with some ex-post-facto explanation but that's doing the writer's job for them.
 
The Boys has a knack for routinely making me think that it's going to be utter "very special episode" dogshit before ending up being entertaining. It's not the best, but they always introduce some clumsy analog to real life politics but they keep it mostly in the background. I have to give them credit for that
 
BULLY HUNTER_77 said:
I honestly wish you were a writer for this show, because you ask all the correct questions.

I think the real answer is the writers haven't really thought about it the implications and just get off to a black character pushing around the embodiment of all their rage: The most privileged, narcissistic, straight, white, cis, Republican male they can think of. Since Vought's "check" on Homelander can't work because it needs to be the plucky good guys that defeat him in the end, you're only going to be disappointed by whatever hackneyed solution they come up with.

Going back to the Star Wars as an example, I think Ryan Johnson planned out his hyperspace ram in exactly the same way as The Boys writers planned out Homelander scenes with Edgar: flashy and entertaining but the scene doesn't make sense if you really think about it. Yeah, maybe you could come up with some ex-post-facto explanation but that's doing the writer's job for them.
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They still have several seasons to answer the questions I'm asking. The old comic just answered it by having Black Noir be a clone of Homelander, who's there to snap his neck the moment he goes rogue. Although ironically enough, Black Noir in the comics was responsible for all the evil shit that Billy blamed Homelander for, so Homelander became evil by mistake. I don't know if the show replaced the Black Noir who got his face blown off with a clone of Homelander, but we'll see.

 
LORD IMPERATOR said:
They still have several seasons to answer the questions I'm asking. The old comic just answered it by having Black Noir be a clone of Homelander, who's there to snap his neck the moment he goes rogue. Although ironically enough, Black Noir in the comics was responsible for all the evil shit that Billy blamed Homelander for, so Homelander became evil by mistake. I don't know if the show replaced the Black Noir who got his face blown off with a clone of Homelander, but we'll see.

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Episode 3 of season 3 reveals Black Noir's face in a flashback when the supes were used against the Russians in Nicaragua and epically fucked up. Black Noir is just a black dude... At least so far.
 
BrunoMattei said:
Episode 3 of season 3 reveals Black Noir's face in a flashback when the supes were used against the Russians in Nicaragua and epically fucked up. Black Noir is just a black dude... At least so far.
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I know. I saw that. But given that his face got blown off, it'd make sense if a clone of Homelander replaced him. But I don't think that's what the show would go for. Especially since the whole point of Black Noir in the comics is that he's there to show how Homelander became a psycho by mistake. Whereas Homelander in the show became a psycho due to his upbringing.
 
LORD IMPERATOR said:
They still have several seasons to answer the questions I'm asking. The old comic just answered it by having Black Noir be a clone of Homelander, who's there to snap his neck the moment he goes rogue. Although ironically enough, Black Noir in the comics was responsible for all the evil shit that Billy blamed Homelander for, so Homelander became evil by mistake. I don't know if the show replaced the Black Noir who got his face blown off with a clone of Homelander, but we'll see.

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Yep. I’m just going to stop watching after they kill off Homelander. He’s the only interesting character.

I also stopped watching House of Cards when they killed off Frank Underwood.
 
Oats12345 said:
Oh so they could actually pull the twist form the comics than. I mean it's possible that they are showing him maskless in the flashbacks to make you think that their not following the comic storyline. Hence you think it's the same character both past and present. The writers are clearly hiding something there. If they aren't showing his face in present day
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it’s actually Kevin Spacey
 
LORD IMPERATOR said:
I know. I saw that. But given that his face got blown off, it'd make sense if a clone of Homelander replaced him. But I don't think that's what the show would go for. Especially since the whole point of Black Noir in the comics is that he's there to show how Homelander became a psycho by mistake. Whereas Homelander in the show became a psycho due to his upbringing.
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The fact that they don't show his face in the present makes me wonder if their's a surprise twist in the near future
DDBCAE CBAADCBE said:
it’s actually Kevin Spacey
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So he's actually a pedo. What a twist
 
BULLY HUNTER_77 said:
Yep. I’m just going to stop watching after they kill off Homelander. He’s the only interesting character.
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Well, the comic ended shortly after Homelander died.

BULLY HUNTER_77 said:
I also stopped watching House of Cards when they killed off Frank Underwood.
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It's like when most people stopped watching Game of Thrones after Tywin Lannister died. He carried the show for three seasons straight, when he was gone, the show quickly headed into Shitsville, barring a few elements.

Oats12345 said:
The fact that they don't show his face in the present makes me wonder if their's a surprise twist in the near future
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That's what I'm hoping for. But there's no guarantees.
 
LORD IMPERATOR said:
Well, the comic ended shortly after Homelander died.


It's like when most people stopped watching Game of Thrones after Tywin Lannister died. He carried the show for three seasons straight, when he was gone, the show quickly headed into Shitsville, barring a few elements.


That's what I'm hoping for. But there's no guarantees.
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Yep, same here. I stopped watching on my own after season 3. I only tolerated the two last seasons as a part of a "Netflix & Chill" arrangement. Girls were surprisingly into the series until the absolute dogshit ending.

I don't have the time/patience to watch a show that isn't interesting and, to me, Homelander as the series anchor is the only thing keeping this series interesting. Homelander himself and watching other characters interact with him reminds me of some of the writing from the SCP universe - very scary stuff. I keep imagining how the foundation would design an enclosure to contain Homelander.
 
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