So anyway, now it’s confirmed that (show) Stormfront was a V1 user- explaining why she still looks she’s in her late 20’s despite being the same age as Soldier Boy and Bombsight- is there an explanation why she was vulnerable to Ryan and the lesser heroes? Or is this yet another case of powers changing depending on the needs of the plot?
According to the wiki it kills most people who take it, but those who survive are biologically immortal and exhibit enhanced superpowers. If you’re a V-supe and take V1 it also enhances existing powers.
Stormfront possesses incredible superhuman durability, making her more resilient than humans and most Supes. She was able to withstand repeated impacts through concrete structures during fights with Kimiko and Homelander with minimal visible injury. To Homelander's astonishment, she also endured a sustained heat vision attack that caused pain and superficial burns but failed to seriously harm her. Stormfront further demonstrated resistance to Starlight’s concussive energy blasts, which were capable of knocking her down but not inflicting significant damage. She was likewise unfazed by concentrated gunfire from pistols and shotguns at close range. Despite this, Stormfront was not invulnerable. The combined assault of Queen Maeve, Starlight, and Kimiko was enough to overwhelm her, while Ryan’s heat vision critically injured her, severing her limbs and leaving her permanently mutilated. Her eyes also appeared significantly less durable than the rest of her body, as Becca Butcher was able to pierce one of them with an ordinary knife.
Regenerative Healing Factor: Stormfront possesses a limited, but rapid regenerative healing ability. The wound made by Homelander's laser vision began to heal almost instantly. After losing an eye, an arm and both legs, her healing factor managed to cauterize her wounds and save her life, however it was not powerful enough to regrow her lost limbs.
Yeah I’m calling this as a ‘plot needs it to happen’ situation, YMMV.
I think (in the comics at least) the CIA was worried about National Defense relying on Supes when those Supes were almost universally incompetent pieces of shit and subject to blackmail.
There’s also the implication of an arms race, analogous to the Cold War, in which there’s a risk of a hostile nation developing a supe ‘better’ than Vought can. Glorious Seven Year Plan, the Soviet premier supe team, was a joke, but the risk was there for them to have a supe that could easily defeat Homelander.
At the end of the comics, Vought creates a new super team, The Pure, which are basically identical to the Seven and a number of second-rank heroes, and still have all the same flaws, right down to the new Deep still having to wear his helmet. This implies Vought’s ability to create supes is more limited than previously shown.
Plus, the CIA had access to a stabilized form of V, hence Hughie, Butcher and Frenchie using it to gain super-strength (Mother’s Milk and The Female already having superpowers) and Mallory gaining extended lifespan (with possible other abilities).
In my comics headcanon, Edgar and Butcher already have unusual forms of superpowers. Edgar is super-intelligent and completely immune to fear or panic, and Butcher has the ability to innately perceive personality flaws and motivations, which is why he’s so good at manipulating and blackmailing people. YMMV again.
Ennis also gifted us with Crossed, which is probably where Western comics finally hit rock bottom. He should genuinely apologize to the whole of the human race for that one.
no man, you don't get it. it's like, what if humans were fucked up and evil by nature...being "crossed" just means you're not holding that evil back...they're not zombies with guns, look, they assrape everyone. it's really deep, actually.
The books were dropped by multiple publishers during their run, and Darick Robertson was forced to look for work elsewhere during hiatus, so when they got picked up again he wasn’t always available. Hence Ezquerra (who I love but was clearly past his prime) and the McCrea/Burns team for Herogasm (whose art is extremely average at the best of times and downright awful when they’re in a hurry).
Robertson’s actually pretty good when he has the time he needs. Other work he’s done, like ‘.303’, is very decent, certainly better than hacks like Rob Liefeld or Jeff Spokes.
Examples? Lamplighter was sacrificed to Mallory as a peace offering, Blarney Cock was an accident, A-Train wasn’t sanctioned by the CIA, the 150 in Russia was unsanctioned (as far as I can remember) and the first ‘kill mission’ Butcher performs for Mallory (going in through the top of the house with the FN-FAL) isn’t explained as sanctioned, it just happens.
Ennis also gifted us with Crossed, which is probably where Western comics finally hit rock bottom. He should genuinely apologize to the whole of the human race for that one.
The dog version of Crossed, Rover Red Charlie, was fun. Not as good as We3, but a worthwhile contribution to the Three Animals Go On an Adventure genre. And the Crossed universe gave Moore some interesting material to play with in Crossed +100. The Beau Salt chapter is a hoot. "As usual, I feel that other people are making way too much out of this."
In the comics, it’s because he literally needs his mother’s milk to survive. He has super strength but wastes away if he doesn’t regularly drink it.
His entire family gets fucked over by Vought and V which is why he is on board with The Boys even though he disagrees with Butcher and his methods.
His mother’s a grotesque blob with prehensile breasts, as she was affected by V from a pet food cannery she used to work that which was improperly cleaned after it was used as a V manufacturing plant.
His brother was born intellectually disabled and died as a teen when the V caused him to rapidly grow. He was wearing a football helmet which crushed his skull when he suddenly tripled in size.
His father worked himself into an early grave looking for ways to sue Vought over the death.
His daughter had accelerated aging and was put into mother-daughter porn (by her crackhead mother) when she was about 12 because she looked 19.
He himself almost caught a manslaughter charge when the V manifested in his super strength in the middle of a boxing match and he accidentally punched his opponent’s head clean off.
The only thing that saved him was Butcher showing up and recruiting him from his military prison cell.
Butcher recruits MM for the same reason he recruits Hughie; he’s looking for good people who hate Vought and can’t be bought off, and will hopefully not turn out to be complete cunts once the stabilised V gives them super strength.
Butcher recognizes that he’s become exactly the same kind of homicidal monster that he’s supposed to keep contained. He recruits Hughie because he recognizes that Hughie is innately good, and Butcher desperately needs someone like Hughie to not become a cunt after being given superpowers, so that there’s at least one True Superhero to stop Butcher carrying out his planned genocide.
Honestly though, the backstory sounds bizarre. I do not like the comics backstory, based on how you described it. I prefer the show's version (or at least the concept because they just abandon it after a while).
The show explains it in season 3. Soldier Boy threw a car which ended up killing his grandpa and his family financially ruined itself trying to sue Vought.
Butcher not only gets MM out of jail free for accidentally killing his opponent in the boxing match, he also:
Gets beaten almost to death by a crew of black gang members over a cultural misunderstanding when he accompanies MM to get his infant daughter back from a crack lord. Butcher could have killed a bunch of them easily but takes the beating instead, showing MM he can exercise restraint.
Scares more gang members off from MM’s (is twelve, looks eighteen) daughter by snatching one of their Glocks and crushing it with his bare hands, before ordering her to go back inside and treat her father with more respect (she treats him like shit in that stereotypical ’oh no you dittnt’ way that she learned from her whore of a crackhead mother).
Rescues MM’s (underage) daughter from her mother and the porn studio by basically walking in and killing every person there with his bare hands, including her mother. Not purely out of moral outrage but also because he needs MM focused on the job and not his daughter and her mother. His daughter recounts the story to MM and he’s fucking horrified; this is the first moment that drives a wedge between Butcher and MM.
The thing that a lot of people miss in the comics is that everything happens for a reason, and those reasons are often not revealed until very late in the story. You should never pay any attention to the comics’ critiques by anyone who didn’t read the whole run, preferably twice. Be especially wary of people who dismiss the comics as edgy slop, they’re just proving they either didn’t read them or don’t understand them.
The show explains it in season 3. Soldier Boy threw a car which ended up killing his grandpa and his family financially ruined itself trying to sue Vought.
The thing that a lot of people miss in the comics is that everything happens for a reason, and those reasons are often not revealed until very late in the story. You should never pay any attention to the comics’ critiques by anyone who didn’t read the whole run, preferably twice. Be especially wary of people who dismiss the comics as edgy slop, they’re just proving they either didn’t read them or don’t understand them.
I’d consider ‘edgy slop’ to be graphic sex and/or violence for no reason. Pretty much everything in the comics happens for a reason, no matter how unpleasant they are.
The thing that a lot of people miss in the comics is that everything happens for a reason, and those reasons are often not revealed until very late in the story. You should never pay any attention to the comics’ critiques by anyone who didn’t read the whole run, preferably twice. Be especially wary of people who dismiss the comics as edgy slop, they’re just proving they either didn’t read them or don’t understand them.
There a russian midget girl in the comics, that loved using dildoes and ended up blowing up when one had explosives in it.
But, from what I remember, those were normal dildoes, nothing giant about them. She was just small.
Bit of a Star Wars tangent, but it relates to how the Boys basically became filler, and how that fucked the series.
Part of what really fucked the modern Star Wars franchise after interest in it was rekindled by the first two seasons of the Mandalorian and Season 7 of TCW was that, a lot of the stuff that came after that initial push became filler content.
Season 3 of Mandalorian was 75% filler. The only thing important to the plot are the last two episodes of Season 3, where Stan Edgar/Gus Fring/Moff Gideon re-established an Imperial base on Mandalore, attempting to kill the last of the Mandalorians while creaing an army of beskar-clad supersoldiers of his own, to be led by clones of his which were supposed to have the Force, which is why he was experimenting on Baby Yoda; to try and replicate the latter's power and grant it to his clones.
Everything else is filler. And this extends to other shows; even the Boba Fett show, the Skeleton Crew show, and most of the Kenobi show, the latter of which had its most important parts be the two Vader duels in it, which accomplished nothing because Kenobi refused to kill off Vader when he had the advantage, AGAIN.
Then you have the the Ahsoka show, which spent most of the time with the characters wandering about, with the general plot moving at a snail's pace, and we all know it will lead to the Sequel Trilogy, which is hated.
Then people wonder why live-action Star Wars has lost its touch and no longer has the blind adoration it had when the first two seasons of the Mandalorian and Andor came about. Most of these live-action shows have stories that matter very little in the long run, so fans see little reason why they should tune in.
The problem is, you cannot do fillers with live-action. You can get away with that shit with cartoons, because they're typically seen by kids or adults who act like kids, but live-action shows have a sort of prestige that cartoons don't. It takes time, effort, and real people doing real things on a set, so it gets the kind of attention that cartoons do not. So when most of the Star Wars live-action shows turn out to be filler content that matters little in the long run and just has characters running about, doing NPC sidequest shit that builds up to an ending that doesn't really attract the crowds, the people tune out. And the bad word of mouth spreads like a cancer, so even if you have a good show lined up in the future, most folks won't watch it because they're tired of you.
In the same vein here, the Boys turning their last season into filler just makes it worthless. Everything after Season 3 was worthless because it's just the good guys failing to take out a mentally challenged moron whom we saw bleed back in Season 3. And for them to spend most of the remaining time on baby-mama drama and filler kills the point of the show, that being regular people standing up to a corrupt superhero team and the corporation that backs them up with propaganda and money.
This last season being mostly filler might even damage the IP and make it so that less people tune in to the Vought Rising spinoff. The fact that Gen V turned out to be a waste of time also makes it filler retroactively, since it doesn't really matter if you watched it or not, so the people who did just wasted their time.
Oh please, you're giving Garth Ennis too much credit. He's a retarded, ignorant manchild, like all his ilk are.
I still recall Ennis whining like a faggot about the (totally not) M-16, and alluding it was made shit on purpose, when the historical reality is that the gun had teething issues, much like any other new piece of technology, and once those initial hurdles had been overcome, went on to be used successfully for decades, and will likely still be in use in some capacity after all of us are dead and buried.
But no, the M-16 failing in Vietnam was a devious cOnSpIrAcY by the corporation, they wanted to save a buck by making the rifle on the cheap. This, naturally, ignore the US government/military stubbornly clinging to the sharpshooter fantasy that led to the use of the M-14, when bot the Germans and Soviets had already proved the concept of the assault rifle.
The Boys is just a stupid comic that got turned into an even dumber TV show.
The problem as a whole with the Boys comic is that it basically has shit worldbuilding, all to serve Ennis' mega hate-boner against superheroes.
Dude doesn't even know how corporations run. Corpos not only have to worry about the government breathing down their necks and wanting to take what's theirs, but also rival corpos that might replicate what they sell as a unique asset.
If the comic was any bit realistic, not only would other corporations replicating Compound V by bribing Vought scientists or having spies steal the formula, but the Feds and other nations would be doing the same thing as well. Before long, it'll end up like what happened with the atom bomb, where other countries like Russia, China, Israel, France, India, Pakistan, and Britain would be fielding their own knockoffs of V-powered superheroes, or even superheroes with superior versions of Compound V that might even be better than Vought's version.
I don't understand why people say I must be mistaken or mean something else.
I think most of the shit I say is very simple and unambiguous. So no, I didn't mean Ackles. Kripke said Starr pushed back on his drumpf shit hard.
Kripke literally wanted Homelander to be cardboard monster, and Starr was like "He has to live there too."
I'm not sure I buy that Kripke fully listened though, they acted like the plane footage was a kryptonite bullet and then he suddenly didn't give a shit. That's... not fantastic.
Back to Ackles, he absolutely refused to play the character as written. That probably resulted in both ambiguity in the audience AND the cartoon dipshit they reworked him as.
I'm going on another Star Wars tangent, but bear with me, it relates to this.
When George Lucas created Star Wars, he obviously meant for the Galactic Empire to be the epitome of pure evil in his mind. Their soldiers had skull-like helmets, they killed millions by destroying a beautiful Earth-like planet, their top general is a big, spooky guy in scary, black armor who strangles people with his brain for mishaps on the field, and their true leader is some cackling madman who shoots lightning, like an old, scrotum-faced version of Zeus, killing anyone who looks at him funny.
But a good number of the fans didn't see it that way; instead, they loved the Empire. They loved the cool space ships and space men in armor. They loved Darth Vader and how badass he looks, how strong he was. They loved how the Emperor pretty much had the Rebellion figured out, down to the point where he had a near-foolproof plan that, if it wasn't for some convenient help from Darth Vader and some teddy bears, would've resulted in the good guys getting wiped out for good. They also loved how cool Boba Fett looked, and the idea of him being a bounty hunter who dispenses his own justice for pay, jetpacking all over the place and working as a free agent, was memorable to them, enough that other science fiction series such as Metroid and Cowboy Bebop had their own protagonists, from Samus Aran to Spike Spiegel, be bounty hunters.
This, obviously, wasn't what Lucas had in mind. He didn't want people praising soldiers for Space Hitler or men who hunted other men for pay. But instead of berating Imperial fans or calling them shitheads for loving his version of Mordor in Space, instead, he hit upon an idea. What if he sold them not only action figures and toys of Imperial-aligned characters, but also sold them books, games, and other media where the player gets to be in the position of the Imperials? Lucas obviously disagreed with their interpretation of his work, but that doesn't mean he had to burn bridges with them or attack them. Instead, he chose a more compromising path, one that yielded him great profits.
The earliest media I remember of this as a kid was a Tiger Electronics handheld game where you played as Darth Vader in his TIE Advanced shooting down Rebels, and the final boss of that minigame was gunning down the Millennium Falcon. Then you had games like Star Wars Rebellion and Star Wars: TIE Fighter where you can play as the Empire side; the former let you command the Empire as a whole as it fought against the Rebellion for galactic supremacy. TIE Fighter put the player in the cockpit of an eponymous TIE Fighter as the player battled not only rebels, but rival Imperials, pirates, and other enemies for the glory of the Empire.
The trend continued as the years passed. When the Prequels came along, they portrayed a galaxy under the Republic, which was so disorganized it was begging for someone else to come along and bring order, which gave Imperial fans some justification for their favorite faction. And while Lucas still had Vader killing kids in order to avoid people from praising him, he still had Palpatine play 4D-chess against some space mega-corporations and the Jedi, getting them to kill each other while he prepared his Empire to deal with them both, and when he finally did, his declaration of the Empire was so epic, it became a moment of awesome for Imperial fans that was memed to hell and back.
And you had more media that portrayed things from the Empire's side. Battlefronts 1 and 2 allowed you to play as the Imperials among other factions, slugging it out in big ground and space battles. Empire at War followed in SW Rebellion's footsteps and allowed you to play as the Empire in a sort of Total War-style space supremacy game where you built up the Empire to crush the Rebels or vice-versa. Games such as Star Wars Episode 3: Revenge of the Sith allowed you to be Anakin Skywalker as he led the Great Jedi Purge. Even the Lego Star Wars game ended with a bonus level of you as Vader tearing up the Blockade Runner and finding Princess Leia, while the ROTS game ended with a bonus level of you as Vader killing Obi-Wan Kenobi.
And of course, this came along with tons of books and comics which portrayed the story from the Empire side of things, showing that the Imperials weren't just complete assholes who were evil for the sake of it, but that they sought to enforce order. In the TIE Fighter game, we see an Imperial admiral stop a civil war between two factions from the same planet, and he gets the leaders of both sides to work together and rebuild their world with Imperial support. Lore bits from books portrayed the Empire as actually giving humanitarian aid to loyal subjects, with Thrawn musing that trillions of citizens received material support from the Empire, from food, to clothing, to a house over their heads, without so much as seeing a single Stormtrooper or TIE Fighter pass by.
Just as with Starr and Ackles pushing back on their characters being one-note villains, especially with Starr saying that Homelander had to live there, too, the Empire was rationally explored as a civil/military government whose systems arose as a response to the problems people faced, and its brutality was explained as the system trying to purge anything that could threaten it, as a reversal of how the previous system of the Republic allowed problems to fester until they were too hard to control.
Lucas himself summed it up when a kid asked him if the Stormtroopers were the bad guys. He responded that the Stormtroopers were good people working for evil men. While the Sith leaders of the Empire were definitely evil, they still fought for what they saw as good and orderly, and many good people agreed with them in that regard. And the result is that while Imperial fans and George Lucas disagreed on how they interpreted the latter's work, the latter was still able to keep the former as fans, and make a lot of good money out of them in the process. To the point where the most famous fan costume/charity group in Star Wars is the 501st Legion, a group of Imperial fans who cosplayed as Darth Vader's personal Stormtrooper unit, and they were brought into the films and canon as what they imagined themselves originally, with the 501st becoming canonized as Anakin/Vader's personal legion of troops.
Now imagine if that's how Kripke dealt with fans of Homelander and Soldier Boy. Instead of making the former a nut and the latter a fraud, he actually built them up to be a credible threat by making them into more realistic villains that have their own shades of grey, or even some good deeds under their belt. What if they instead sought to profit from fans of Soldier Boy and Homelander by giving them cool moments and even some instances where they're right.
Hell, there should be more Homelander and Soldier Boy action figures around, not just rare luxury figures, as well as side stories and media where the two of them might even be the lesser evil against a greater threat. Maybe they fight against another company that does even worse things than Vought in their quest to create the perfect supermen. Or they fight against terrorist organizations that stole some Compound V from Vought to give to their soldiers. Or maybe they team up with the Boys to fight against a Supe who's gone insane. The bad guy from Gen V, Thomas Godolkin, should've been one such threat. Make it so that he was so threatening, Marie and Stan Edgar had to arrange for Homelander and Soldier Boy to team up with the Boys just to stop the guy.
Kripke doesn't need to agree with the fans of Homelander and Soldier Boy. But he could've done something that would've not only kept them in, but also made some good money out of them, especially given their love of these characters. Especially considering how Homelander was the cameo character they sent to Mortal Kombat 1. He clearly is the most iconic character in the show, aside from his father Soldier Boy. Hell, if they had more battles with Soldier Boy and Homelander against the Boys or other evil Supes, that would've satisfied the fans.
Look at what Disney's doing with Darth Vader; every time the man shows up, starts aura farming and kicking the shit out of people, the audience applauds. Kripke could've done the same with Homelander and Soldier Boy, and people would've eaten that stuff up. Imagine Soldier Boy taking out groups of renegade Supes with his superior combat skills and his radiation blast power. Or Homelander fighting another prototype superhuman that Stan Edgar sends to kill him. Even if it's just there to pad out an episode, people would love it and ask for more, making the franchise more profitable.
there is not much depth to the comic either , what if superman was evil and ate kids alive and raped women and all of the characters are former nazi and also sexual deviants the show toned down all these themes and made it about the evil orange man instead not counting the countless gender and race swaps
Basically, the comic was cringey shock value for the sake of it, and it was just there to show how much Garth Ennis fucking hated superheroes.
Which was kind of hypocritical, considering the Boys in the comic were superhumans. So again, it's just one small tribe of supes dressed in black trenchcoats, killing other supes who dress like cartoon characters. And to justify it, the latter are portrayed as degenerates, child-molesters, rapists, racists, among others, which would make the Boys look good by killing them.
The Boys the comic is a textbook example of a shitty work with just enough good stuff in it to make you wonder how so much better it could have been in actual competent hands and who's shittiness fades from view when you get a media adaptation that is the literal example of "worse case scenario" where they did such a horrific job that it single handedly makes the comic look all the better because it didn't suck as badly as the show did.
Little Nina was a psychotic Russian gangster who’d recruited a large number of supes to attempt to overthrow the Russian government. The Boys went to Russia to stop her. They killed her by placing plastic explosives in the vibrator kept in her private plane that they knew she was in the habit of using when on flights.
It was during this visit that Hughie meets and becomes friends with Love Sausage (retired leader of Glorious Five Year Plan, the premier Soviet superteam) who turns out to be an ally in the defeat of Stormfront. It’s also during this visit that Butcher gets to test the method that lets him remotely mass-detonate the heads of Supes who’ve used non-stable V (ie not the variety that was administered to The Boys). This success then forms the basis of Butcher’s plan to wipe out supes using this technology.
Love Sausage ends up being murdered by Butcher using an RPG because he figures out Butcher’s plan (150 dead supes in a warehouse with their heads exploded was impossible to cover up). Butcher doesn’t want him interfering. Love Sausage’s death scene is one of the first instances of Butcher completing his fall to villainy, because he and Love Sausage are actually good friends, but Butcher can’t stop himself from carrying out his planned genocide. It’s actually really sad because Love Sausage stops being a shitty joke character and shows real and tragic heroism.
Hard disagree. The world is internally consistent and doesn’t violate its own precepts. A lot of people (once again, who didn’t read the full run) found it confusing because the reader is dropped in halfway through the story when Hughie is recruited. Towards the latter half of the run is where you start learning the backstories of The Boys, their opponents, and where everyone and everything fits in to the greater story arc.
Dude doesn't even know how corporations run. Corpos not only have to worry about the government breathing down their necks and wanting to take what's theirs, but also rival corpos that might replicate what they sell as a unique asset.
Vought is enormously powerful, to the point that they are able to insert a VP entirely under their control, and plan the assassination of the (anti-supes-in-defense) President. Their control of most of the supes in the US gives them enormous power in Washington. They also have a rival, Godolkin, and are able to hire mercs with DU ammo, stinger missiles and flamethrowers to wipe him and his teams out without consequence when he starts training more supes against their wishes.
If the comic was any bit realistic, not only would other corporations replicating Compound V by bribing Vought scientists or having spies steal the formula, but the Feds and other nations would be doing the same thing as well. Before long, it'll end up like what happened with the atom bomb, where other countries like Russia, China, Israel, France, India, Pakistan, and Britain would be fielding their own knockoffs of V-powered superheroes, or even superheroes with superior versions of Compound V that might even be better than Vought's version.
That literally does happen in the comic, though. Russia has a superpower team, Godolkin has multiple rival teams, there’s an orthodox rabbi superhero, etc.
The point is that the US government relies on Vought to keep compound V under wraps and that’s a big part of their leverage over the body politic.
the Boys in the comic were superhumans. So again, it's just one small tribe of supes dressed in black trenchcoats, killing other supes who dress like cartoon characters. And to justify it, the latter are portrayed as degenerates, child-molesters, rapists, racists, among others, which would make the Boys look good by killing them.
The Boys’ job isn’t to kill supes, it’s to use blackmail to keep them and Vought in line, and keep Supes and Vought out of national defense. They will administer beatdowns or destroy the reputations of Supes who get out of line, but only as a last resort (remember they may be super strong but none of them are super resilient or have super healing). It’s Butcher’s personal crusade to kill Supes and his going ‘off-mission’ is what brings the final confrontation to a head, after The Boys splinter over his leadership (which he intends to happen so they won’t unite to stop him).