The Final Fantasy Thread

Berrakh said:
yes he is. It's why the women love him, especially the ones who hate white guys. They stan him and Rufus most of all.
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But if they hate white men why don't they want to fuck Barret who is superior?
 
I’m okay with the alternate universe stuff because I hope Aerith gets spared. 🥺
 
Princess Peaches said:
I’m okay with the alternate universe stuff because I hope Aerith gets spared. 🥺
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It would be funny to see the reaction to it. Lot of people named "Cloud<3Tifa" trying to argue that now, and only now, has FF7's story been fully devalued. Because it was all fine before then.
 
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verissimus said:
Ugh...I can't get over this multiple timeline crap anymore now. I especially can't get over how easily people have not only accepted this, but embrace it whether it's to "save Aeris" or to take the franchise into new territory.
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Because the possibility of it turning out badly doesn't make the twist bad in of itself. I understand the concern, time travel is tricky enough and can easily go off the rails but this part only ends with them triumphing over destiny and giving themselves the opportunity to change the timeline. That's it. And with the defeat of the fates, they've also allowed Sephiroth to do things differently too, so that could be interesting. Proactively announcing that the whole thing has been ruined at this point is just jumping the gun. It could really go either way.
 
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Princess Peaches said:
I’ve never been a fan of Cloud and Tifa. He’s much better off with Sephiroth.:cunningpepe:
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If Cloud and Sephiroth full mouth kiss in one of the installments of FF7R then I will take back everything bad I ever said about Square and Nomura and laugh as western fandom falls into disarray because Final Fantasy went "woke." (Note that Persona 5 Royal also went woke when they altered a scene with gay men in the English version of the game, Persona 5 Royal is also the 3rd best selling game on Playstation 4.) It would be even more out of no where than time traveling planet ghosts and resurrecting Zack. The sheer amount of chaos it would unleash would be sublime.
 
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Just finished the FF7 remake last night.

Lot of pros to it. I like the new combat system and seeing places like Wall Market fully fleshed out and rendered as a full town. I really like how polished the game feels at launch. (Save for a few issues like the sound mixing being really screwy in a few places with the soundtrack and ambiance drowning out dialogue.) The english dub is suprisingly well cast and I actually really like who they went with for Aerith and Tifa.

However, the timeline fuckery burns me. A faithful remake and slight expansion was all you needed to do Square. Not a full blown alternate reality and basically sequel game. Honestly, if they are doing this, then they need to go big and have something like Aerith not dying and the story fallout that her surviving would logically have. Don't pussyfoot if you want to do this Square.

This leads directly into cons. More than a few sequences are setup assuming the player has knowledge of the previous game. The end bits in the Shinra building especially so. Also, god damn please improve the sidequests in the next entry. I can understand early Sector 7 being mostly low level fetch quests, but it got old once you got to Aerith's house and had to keep doing really tedious shit. Even Wall Market was a bit too long imo.

Honestly, not sure how to rate. Breaking the story up into multiple parts makes any comment/criticism a lot harder. The whole dystopian industrial setting does start to get old, but obviously the remaining parts will venture out into the larger world.

Edit: Also, I wonder if Square should have just pushed an M rating so they could have made the honey bee inn a full brothel like they obviously wanted.
 
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Marissa Moira said:
We don't know the stakes of the time travel yet. We're just acting under assumptions that Aerith may know something and Sephiroth may know something. None of them have directly stated and all we have are flash forward glimpses.

I'm going to say the most probable outcome is a time travel system like Endless 8. Where with each repeating time stream errors and small deviations begin to appear like copying copies of copy paper. Eventually the deviations build up so the final form does not resemble the original. The Time Jannies are trying to keep everything how it was originally but we've seen the time jannies can be killed.
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Your defenses for this game are lame. Any form of time travel/alternate dimension in ANY game lessens the impact of death, which was the entire theme of the original FFVII.
 
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madeinabyss31 said:
Any form of time travel/alternate dimension in ANY game lessens the impact of death, which was the entire them of the original FFVII.
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Only if you can control it, i.e. someone dies and you jump back in time to prevent it. The only person who seems capable of time travel right now is Sephiroth.

Also, after her death in FFVII, Aerith uses the lifestream to move Meteor a safe distance away from Gaia so Holy can destroy it. What even is death when you can use magic to control the afterlife.
 
iRON-mAn said:
Only if you can control it, i.e. someone dies and you jump back in time to prevent it. The only person who seems capable of time travel right now is Sephiroth.

Also, after her death in FFVII, Aerith uses the lifestream to move Meteor a safe distance away from Gaia so Holy can destroy it. What even is death when you can use magic to control the afterlife.
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....control it? LOL They literally defeated fate. Do you not think that's taking control? It doesn't matter WHO time travels - the simple fact is, time travel/alternate dimensions open up the possibility of change. It's why I avoid comics, who gives a shit about any stakes when you know someone can come back at any time?

And souls are a bit different than returning to life and Aerith was unique.

Shield Breaker said:
At least everyone can be happy VII R didn't get TLoU2 treatment.
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madeinabyss31 said:
....control it? LOL They literally defeated fate. Do you not think that's taking control? It doesn't matter WHO time travels - the simple fact is, time travel/alternate dimensions open up the possibility of change. It's why I avoid comics, who gives a shit about any stakes when you know someone can come back at any time?

And souls are a bit different than returning to life and Aerith was unique.
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Defying fate isn't time travel. Unless they time traveled to present day outside Midgar. All they did is open themselves up to the ability to do things differently than it's meant to play out but they haven't moved back or forth along the timeline. And it kinda does matter who time travels. Sephiroth won't care about saving Aerith. If anything he'll want to kill her earlier to prevent her from casting Holy. Sure it's a change, but not one that renders everything meaningless.

So death is final, until it's convenient to the story, and then it's not. It's arguably not even a one time thing, since she communicates with him in AC too. Sephiroth uses it to strengthen himself too after he falls in, so being dead nor a Cetra is necessary for being able to manipulate the afterlife in this universe.
 
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