The Final Fantasy Thread

[madeinabyss31]

It was marketed as a Remake but then decided to pull a Metal gear style switcharoo

It's still technically a remake though

I mean if we're talking about subverting expectations Nomura actually did it better than Rian Johnson. I'm at least interested to see where they're going with this where as Star Wars was shot fucking dead.

Not a remake in any way. It's simply a sequel with a time travel/alternative timeline to retcon. I get Nojima and Nomura and the marketing team think they were clever, but with how the vernacular is used when describing these things, "remake" has never applied to stuff like this - at least WB had the decency to be upfront with Mortal Kombat 9 and still label it a sequel.

 

[Berrakh]

A lot of time when people say Cloud should be hooked up with Aeris it's not a wish she lived but more that they think they were better together and that's why it sucks for him she died. People have weird issues with that relationship I don't get, and lash out at simple opinions like the above like they're dictates, noticed it a lot lately. Not here just in general. Just replying because I think people are too worried about stuff like that.

 

[Radical Cadre]

You're too late, Final Fantasy 13-2 had Chrono trigger's time travel shit complete with it's own menu screen showing multiple timelines that you could pick and choose to alter.

Ahhh I think that's a bit of a stretch. It looked like Epoch's time wheel but was more like Radiant Historia, if I'm being perfectly honest.

Now if Schala shows up out of nowhere, I'm getting the posse together and we're going to Japan.

 

[verissimus]

Probably an extraordinarily dumb question, but just to be sure, how much of the marketing and hype ever gave the impression that they would or wouldn't try to pull a fast one. I'm sure those stupid whisper things had to have shown up in some trailer (if they did, I either forgot or never saw them). The only thing I remember hearing that rang the fire alarms for me was, well besides Nomura being involved in the project, when I think Kitase said there would be some story elements changed.

The reason I ask is just...I mean, the least these jackasses could have done is just be honest about what they wanted to do. I mean who knows...maybe they could have made this ridiculous yet genuinely amusing cerebral plot, but if you're going to pretty much have most of the game play things straight only to be unwound and undone with things in it that could have easily been removed then what is the point? Either be "lazy/safe" by having a faithful remake or show some balls, at least in terms of marketing, that this is going to be some re-imagining. Instead we get this ridiculous concoction of the two.

On a whole other note, has anyone actually seen any ads for this game yet? I haven't.

 

[Marissa Moira]

On a whole other note, has anyone actually seen any ads for this game yet? I haven't.

Why would you spend money advertising a videogame when you can just upload a trailer to your youtube channel for free and have it spread word of mouth?

 

[Radical Cadre]

Probably an extraordinarily dumb question, but just to be sure, how much of the marketing and hype ever gave the impression that they would or wouldn't try to pull a fast one. I'm sure those stupid whisper things had to have shown up in some trailer (if they did, I either forgot or never saw them). The only thing I remember hearing that rang the fire alarms for me was, well besides Nomura being involved in the project, when I think Kitase said there would be some story elements changed.

The reason I ask is just...I mean, the least these jackasses could have done is just be honest about what they wanted to do. I mean who knows...maybe they could have made this ridiculous yet genuinely amusing cerebral plot, but if you're going to pretty much have most of the game play things straight only to be unwound and undone with things in it that could have easily been removed then what is the point? Either be "lazy/safe" by having a faithful remake or show some balls, at least in terms of marketing, that this is going to be some re-imagining. Instead we get this ridiculous concoction of the two.

On a whole other note, has anyone actually seen any ads for this game yet? I haven't.

I was trying to find some old interviews the other night for a post I was working on and everything has been crushed beneath the wave of new press for the game. Maybe I could have tried a bit harder... but I didn't. My own recollection of events was that very little information was ever given. But every now and again a developer or even the fucking director would come out with the same line that reviewers have been touting: "faithful remake"

And then there was that bizarre mention about not leaking any spoilers or whatever because they had a big surprise in store for players. That's when I knew it was toast.

Also yeah I saw ads for this game, let me repost it:

 

[verissimus]

Why would you spend money advertising a videogame when you can just upload a trailer to your youtube channel for free and have it spread word of mouth?

Yeah...I think I need to take a nap and hope it restarts my brain.

Should have been a Snickers on that ad. Cloud, I, and those people wanting a legitimately faithful reboot could use its wonderful effects right about now.

 

[Radical Cadre]

Yeah...I think I need to take a nap and hope it restarts my brain.

Hopefully we don't lose all these golden posts during the server rebuild tonight. You might wake up to nothing and be stuck with FF7 Remake.

Oh hey that went smoothly!

 

[Intelligent Calcium]

Oney on Twitter

“FF7 remake is the greatest black pill of all time”

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[madeinabyss31]

It was marketed as a Remake but then decided to pull a Metal gear style switcharoo

It's still technically a remake though

I mean if we're talking about subverting expectations Nomura actually did it better than Rian Johnson. I'm at least interested to see where they're going with this where as Star Wars was shot fucking dead.

It's not "technically" a remake. "Remake" in marketing terms means something very different. You can't have a sequel and a remake, it's just not how it works - you can have a sequel and a retcon, but not this.

Either way, the co-director and writers specifically said this would be a faithful recreation. That's not what we got.

 

[Marissa Moira]

Apparently the timeline for the next release is next year, so this is looking like it's going to be a yearly release.

 

[vertexwindi]

I'm not even a FF fan but I'm hearing so much amazing shit about this game that I can't help but enjoy the trainwreck.

>CLOUD GO KILL THE RATS
>NO YOU RETARD THE OTHER RATS

Amazing quest design right there.

 

[Marissa Moira]

Where are people getting the trainwreck/rage reviews from? I'm looking on youtube and there's nothing but a projared joke video.

Metacritic is filled with bots, so it's useless.

 

[Duncan Hills Coffee]

Apparently the timeline for the next release is next year, so this is looking like it's going to be a yearly release.

I'd be fucking stunned if part 2 came out within the next two years, not just because Square's development cycles have gotten absurdly long, especially under Nomura, but because game development in general has reached a point where everything takes years to complete barring sports games. The only reason franchises like Call of Duty pull it off is because there are like 3 development studios working on it that switch off every year.

Even if Square got its shit together, I seriously can't imagine them pushing out another part in a year.

 

[verissimus]

I'd be fucking stunned if part 2 came out within the next two years, not just because Square's development cycles have gotten absurdly long, especially under Nomura, but because game development in general has reached a point where everything takes years to complete barring sports games. The only reason franchises like Call of Duty pull it off is because there are like 3 development studios working on it that switch off every year.

Even if Square got its shit together, I seriously can't imagine them pushing out another part in a year.

That and if they could do that, then why couldn't they have just tried tackling all of disk 1 in one game while cutting some of the fluff in this installment? Hell, if they actually did that, we probably could have avoided a lot of all the story problems this game had. That version wouldn't have to foreshadow anything anywhere near as much as they did with this version.

 

[Chiri]

Apparently the timeline for the next release is next year, so this is looking like it's going to be a yearly release.

Do you have source on that? That sounds way too good to be true given how Square has performed this past decade.

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Oney on Twitter

“FF7 remake is the greatest black pill of all time”

twitter.com

Oney's also going to be putting out a video about FF7 soon. The timing of it makes me think me think it's going to be an airing of grievances for the Remake. In that case, I'm eager to watch it since he's a massive fan of the original and would have a lot to say about the changes they made. There's definitely going to be a wave of these as more and more people get to the end of the game. I'm waiting for Vinesauce Vinny to get there as I expect he'll have a legendary reaction.

https://twitter.com/OneyNG/status/1248861253696540672

 

[Secret Asshole]

I thought you were more careful about this kind of shenanigans by now. I mean...how many times have we all been burned in the past 10 years by the entertainment industry especially when it comes to reboots, remakes and sequels to old franchises? Too many times. Too freaking many times. The worst part of it all is, despite all the hubbub about things like Tifa's design, we can't blame the overall management of this remake on SJWs. This is entirely Square management's fault.

My brother was playing it and it looked like a ton of fun. I guess it just is aggravating that they can't finish the fucking thing in one shot, no matter what it is. Or that they're going off and doing their own thing yet again instead of listening to an audience.

Not a remake in any way. It's simply a sequel with a time travel/alternative timeline to retcon. I get Nojima and Nomura and the marketing team think they were clever, but with how the vernacular is used when describing these things, "remake" has never applied to stuff like this - at least WB had the decency to be upfront with Mortal Kombat 9 and still label it a sequel.

Technically, its more of a re-imagining than a remake, but they didn't use that term because people just wanted a straight FF7 remake.

 

[Exbein]

I think I stated back in the thread that I predicted that FF7 remake will become such as shit show, but I said, that it will become a shitshow by the 2nd game. I was wrong! Here we are, just in the first game, and it is such a shit show.

Anyway, for me, I have played all the offline FF and still FF7 seems the most human of them all. Many will say that FF6 is the best, but I will say FF7 is the most human.

Strip out all the fantasy and futuristic elements in the game, you end up with very realistic characters. Cloud is just a weak man, self-defeatist, low self esteem, "lying"(though not technically lying, because its mako poisoning) to look cool. Was never able to achieve anything. Cid is a broken middle-age man with broken grand dreams. Aerith sees her former love in Cloud. Barrett is doing terrible things to just to get back at the company that wronged him. And they were all just caught up with each other and in a diabolical world ending plot. No other FF have their characters' plights are more human than FF7

Then you combine it with story elements like the wanton corporatism, greed and etc..., FF7 resonates with people more than other FFs. Frankly, I just see other FF characters as cookie cutter tropes in JRPGs.

So, yeah, with FF7 having time traveling fixers mumbo jumbo, basically destroyed what made FF7 great and memorable.

 

[Radical Cadre]

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Oney on Twitter

“FF7 remake is the greatest black pill of all time”

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"and seeing him [Sephiroth] go mad from discovering the fate of his people"

I was always under the impression that Sephiroth wasn't actually an Ancient. He was a lab experiment carried out by two desperate scientists/lovers. Jenova was some space-traveling parasite that fed off of planets and hijacked the lore to trick Sephiroth into freeing it after the Cetra managed to contain it on the world of FFVII. Meanwhile the Cetra/Ancients were "nomads traveling from place to place", which is to say they also traveled through space cultivating life on planets and hoping to someday find the supreme land to call their own.

And then one day Jenova caught up with them and to stop the parasite, the Cetra more or less had to sacrifice themselves.

 

[Exbein]

"and seeing him [Sephiroth] go mad from discovering the fate of his people"

I was always under the impression that Sephiroth wasn't actually an Ancient. He was a lab experiment carried out by two desperate scientists/lovers. Jenova was some space-traveling parasite that fed off of planets and hijacked the lore to trick Sephiroth into freeing it after the Cetra managed to contain it on the world of FFVII. Meanwhile the Cetra/Ancients were "nomads traveling from place to place", which is to say they also traveled through space cultivating life on planets and hoping to someday find the supreme land to call their own.

And then one day Jenova caught up with them and to stop the parasite, the Cetra more or less had to sacrifice themselves.

He wasn't. It was just thought that Jenova was an ancient. and everyone basically kept the story that Jenova and in extension Sephiroth are ancients as there are no one in the game can point out that they are not ancient other than the party.
Ancients are basically space nomads while Jenova is basically Lavos