The Final Fantasy Thread

[haurchefant]

Buyer's remorse is starting to set in. The weekend will be interesting.

 

[Marissa Moira]

Is the remake actually fun or should I wait for the Beacause spergs to put out the latest version of their retranslation of the original?

Yes it's actually fun. The battle system is top notch and you really get to explore all the areas to midgar.

 

[madeinabyss31]

Oh boy, starting to see more and more comments on reviewers videos getting pretty pissed that they didn't talk about the ending more and how it's not a remake.

Gonna be an interesting next couple weeks when more and more people finish the game. I can't wait, I hope Square Enix dies from a thousand papercuts.

 

[Berrakh]

Things the original ff7 did without a lot of exposition.

1. indicate to the player relationships without needing them explained. Like I knew Cloud liked Aeris long before she died, and that he and Tifa had something going on long before all that
2. effortlessly foreshadowed a relatively complex story point about Cloud's memories, even using the aforementioned relationship with Tifa to do so.
3. set up a threatening villain who seemed interesting due to mystery and how you experienced his power
4. subverted the hero ttopes with two characters by having Cloud not be the "guy" he thought he was and giving the actual plot resolution to the slain heroine

Anything else?

 

[LightDragonman1]

Really, your reaction to the Remake or whatever seems to depend primarily on your tolerance for Nomura and Nojima's typical style and preferred tropes. If you like that stuff, you'll probably enjoy the changes. If you don't, then be warned.

 

[verissimus]

Things the original ff7 did without a lot of exposition.

1. indicate to the player relationships without needing them explained. Like I knew Cloud liked Aeris long before she died, and that he and Tifa had something going on long before all that
2. effortlessly foreshadowed a relatively complex story point about Cloud's memories
3. set up a threatening villain who seemed interesting due to mystery and how you experienced his power
4. subverted the hero ttopes with two characters by having Cloud not be the "guy" he thought he was and giving the actual plot resolution to the slain heroine

Anything else?

Are you comparing the remake to just the Midgar part of the original, because if so, points 1 and 4 don't apply. There was no clear indication Aeris would have been killed considering the initial plot of the original up till you see Jenova has escaped was to rescue Aeris from Shinra. The other points stand though.

 

[Berrakh]

Are you comparing the remake to just the Midgar part of the original, because if so, point 1 and 4 don't apply. There's no clear indication Aeris would have been killed considering the initial plot of the original up till you see Jenova has escaped was to rescue Aeris from Shinra. The other points stand though.

referring to people saying the original was just exposition.

But if we mean Midgar only then most of point 1 applies, I just used her death as a milestone because it's his dark night of the soul. Point 2 barely counts without Kalm. 3 barely counts too because Kalm and the snake are part of it.

 

[Marissa Moira]

Gonna be an interesting next couple weeks when more and more people finish the game. I can't wait, I hope Square Enix dies from a thousand papercuts.

This is much less of a clusterfuck than 13, 13-2, 14, and 15.

If those didn't kill Square this certainly won't. The future really depends on how the second game plays out. If it doesn't deliver from what the first game did then yeah it's fucked, but if it does deliver the time travel multiple timeline chrono trigger shit, then it won't sink them.

 

[verissimus]

referring to people saying the original was just exposition.

But if we mean Midgar only then most of point 1 applies, I just used her death as a milestone because it's his dark night of the soul. Point 2 barely counts without Kalm. 3 barely counts too because Kalm and the snake are part of it.

For a moment I didn't get what you meant by "the snake".

As for whoever is saying the original was just exposition...I mean...wth people. It was 1997. It would have been difficult to show and/or tell certain nuances that people would be able to more easily recognize visually or audibly nowadays. The best they could do then was pretty much put their most important and/or epic scenes in cutscenes, have straight forward stories, and use dialogue boxes. It's a completely asinine argument sort of like how complaining the original battle system was too tedious which, looking back, I can sympathize with that feeling, but that was the best they could do back then.

 

[madeinabyss31]

This is much less of a clusterfuck than 13, 13-2, 14, and 15.

If those didn't kill Square this certainly won't. The future really depends on how the second game plays out. If it doesn't deliver from what the first game did then yeah it's fucked, but if it does deliver the time travel multiple timeline chrono trigger shit, then it won't sink them.

This is not "less of a clusterfuck" - 13, 13-2, and 15 were brand new games. They weren't classics, they weren't iconic, they weren't game changers. We are talking about one of the GREATEST games in history of video games that not only lied in it's marketing, but has many undertones of slapping purists in the face and basically telling them to "Fuck off! this is the story now!"

I'm really not entirely sure how this isn't worse than 13 really. Actually, it's giving me all the vibes that game did and then some. It's like a mix of 13 and Kingdom Hearts 3.

 

[Shield Breaker]

This is not "less of a clusterfuck" - 13, 13-2, and 15 were brand new games. They weren't classics, they weren't iconic, they weren't game changers. We are talking about one of the GREATEST games in history of video games that not only lied in it's marketing, but has many undertones of slapping purists in the face and basically telling them to "Fuck off! this is the story now!"

I'm really not entirely sure how this isn't worse than 13 really. Actually, it's giving me all the vibes that game did and then some. It's like a mix of 13 and Kingdom Hearts 3.

Does it have actual gameplay and areas outside of straight hallways? If so, it is better. I'm not saying it is a good game, but 13 was absolute shit.

 

[Marissa Moira]

This is not "less of a clusterfuck" - 13, 13-2, and 15 were brand new games. They weren't classics, they weren't iconic, they weren't game changers. We are talking about one of the GREATEST games in history of video games that not only lied in it's marketing, but has many undertones of slapping purists in the face and basically telling them to "Fuck off! this is the story now!"

I'm really not entirely sure how this isn't worse than 13 really. Actually, it's giving me all the vibes that game did and then some. It's like a mix of 13 and Kingdom Hearts 3.

Kingdom hearts 3 was the most mechanically solid of all the KH games. They even finally fucking fixed the Gummy Ship bullshit and actually made it fun.

The only real weak area was Frozen's world. All the others were fine with Toy Story and Big hero Six taking the most liberties and that really helped in the level design.

But if you play games for the story you're probably in for a bad time.

Hell if you play games in general for the story you're almost always in for a bad time.

Also the 7 Remake is a sequel, it's a brand new game.

 

[verissimus]

Does it have actual gameplay and areas outside of straight hallways? If so, it is better. I'm not saying it is a good game, but 13 was absolute shit.

Didn't 13 not even have sidequests and shops as well? I mean honestly...no shops in a JRPG seriously?

If you play games in general for the story you're almost always in for a bad time.

Pretty much. Most of the writers in the industry just can't pull that off and even if they could what incentive would there be considering the main target audience will be minors?

 

[Shield Breaker]

Didn't 13 not even have sidequests and shops as well? I mean honestly...no shops in a JRPG seriously?

No sidequests until 40 hours in and you bought stuff at save points.

 

[Marissa Moira]

7 Remake has some pretty large areas to explore right out of the gate so that already puts it ahead of 13 by miles. Also the side quests are not a pain in the ass and the minigames are not tedious so they're already better than what was put into many Kingdom hearts games.

7 Remake's world isn't as expansive as 15's yet. But they're re-using coding and shit from 15 so I'm expecting the second game to be very vehicle and exploration heavy. if they fill out the world map like Xenoblade does with shit to find and do that will be very rewarding and memorable. You can tell from Midgar that a ton of care was put into the level design and the art direction.

 

[madeinabyss31]

Kingdom hearts 3 was the most mechanically solid of all the KH games. They even finally fucking fixed the Gummy Ship bullshit and actually made it fun.

The only real weak area was Frozen's world. All the others were fine with Toy Story and Big hero Six taking the most liberties and that really helped in the level design.

But if you play games for the story you're probably in for a bad time.

Hell if you play games in general for the story you're almost always in for a bad time.

Also the 7 Remake is a sequel, it's a brand new game.

....but it wasn't marketed as a sequel. That's the problem.

Imagine awaiting a game for 5-15 years and considering the OG one of the best games ever made. Then seeing the marketing for 5 years telling you you will get a "Faithful recreation" of the OG, just for that "remake" to be a sequel that has undertones telling fans of the OG to fuck off just to appease some horny vocal minority that wants to see Jessie only wanting dick and seeing Aerith and Zack live. The entire theme of the OG is ruined now, once you bring time travel/alternate timelines into a story the impact of death is lessened. FF7 was built on death and overcoming the sadness attached to it.

 

[verissimus]

This is not "less of a clusterfuck" - 13, 13-2, and 15 were brand new games. They weren't classics, they weren't iconic, they weren't game changers. We are talking about one of the GREATEST games in history of video games that not only lied in it's marketing, but has many undertones of slapping purists in the face and basically telling them to "Fuck off! this is the story now!"

I take no joy in saying this since I'm still honestly positive the next installments will do certain (not all but just certain) things that either I wish was in the original or think was a nice take on what originally happened, but if the next installment makes it clear that Square wants to go down that path, then I honestly hope Square Enix sinks with the game (or rather franchise within a franchise) that pretty much put them on the map. It honestly does not matter how much anyone says that Jessie should have lived, Cloud should be hooked up with Aeris, or whatever because guess what? It was the original story line that brought people together.

 

[Marissa Moira]

....but it wasn't marketed as a sequel. That's the problem.

Imagine awaiting a game for 5-15 years and considering the OG one of the best games ever made. Then seeing the marketing for 5 years telling you you will get a "Faithful recreation" of the OG, just for that "remake" to be a sequel that has undertones telling fans of the OG to fuck off just to appease some horny vocal minority that wants to see Jessie only wanting dick and seeing Aerith and Zack live. The entire theme of the OG is ruined now, once you bring time travel/alternate timelines into a story the impact of death is lessened. FF7 was built on death and overcoming the sadness attached to it.

It was marketed as a Remake but then decided to pull a Metal gear style switcharoo

It's still technically a remake though

I mean if we're talking about subverting expectations Nomura actually did it better than Rian Johnson. I'm at least interested to see where they're going with this where as Star Wars was shot fucking dead.

 

[Radical Cadre]

This is much less of a clusterfuck than 13, 13-2, 14, and 15.

If those didn't kill Square this certainly won't. The future really depends on how the second game plays out. If it doesn't deliver from what the first game did then yeah it's fucked, but if it does deliver the time travel multiple timeline chrono trigger shit, then it won't sink them.

I agree with you. But for the love of god don't bring Chrono Trigger into this. You might give them ideas and they might attempt to make Chrono Break. I don't even want it anymore.

Don't even kid around about that. What would even be the point of doing that? Hek there's already a character kind of like Yuffie in the game who I honestly thought for a moment would be her.

I... ah... we know how this is going to end. At least we have our memories.

 

[Marissa Moira]

I agree with you. But for the love of god don't bring Chrono Trigger into this. You might give them ideas and they might attempt to make Chrono Break. I don't even want it anymore.


I... ah... we know how this is going to end. At least we have our memories.

You're too late, Final Fantasy 13-2 had Chrono trigger's time travel shit complete with it's own menu screen showing multiple timelines that you could pick and choose to alter.

13-2 actually did time travel right and that's the only thing the game did good.