The Final Fantasy Thread

ExceptionallyExceptional said:
I just saw an ad for this on youTube and holy fuck what sort of braindead monkeys do they have in their marketing department? The ad shows no gameplay, tells you nothing about the story, and if I didn't know what Final Fantasy was I would assume it was boring as fuck from that ad.

From everything I've heard about this since release I feel vindicated in having ignored it's existence and continuing to do so.
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Marketing so bad that there are still a lot of casuals who don't even know it's just Midgar.
 
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Buttigieg2020 said:
I’m happy with the remake. I never played FF7 as a kid, so I had no nostalgia attachment to it. Tried to play it recently and I really didn’t care for it. Im excited that they are going full batshit, FF plots are never any good anyways, at least this will be so bad it’s good.
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Glad you enjoyed it. The problems being voiced here are less to do with nostalgia and more to do with years of lies from the development staff and a bait and switch at the eleventh hour. It it abject amazement at how much this particular development staff lied.

Not that you should ever trust a game developer, seems like most of us were on the ball. But I'll get mad over it every time regardless. Fuck video game developers. You get to make fucking video games as your job so don't be a shithead.
 
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verissimus said:
Somebody might have dug into it, but in case anyone thought Aeris VA sucked...well, it could be because she pretty much has barely voice acted.


...I'll admit it. She's kind of cute. Certainly cuter than I'd expected.

And here for those of you who want to play the sub vs. dub game




Not sure. I asked that myself a few days ago.

Wonder ho
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She's good for an amateur at least.
 
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What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little shit? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Balamb SEEDs, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Mako Reactors, and I have over 300 confirmed magic points. I am trained in 12 Jobs and I’m the top summoner in the entire SOLDIER program. You are nothing to me but just another random encounter. I will wipe you the fuck out with Aim, the likes of which has never been seen before on Gaia, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over Mognet? Think again, kupo. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of scholars across the World of Balance and your bestiary is being scanned right now so you better prepare for the Thundaga, kupo. The Thundaga that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your HP bar. You’re fucking dead, kupo. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with Barehanded. Not only am I extensively trained in physical combat, but I have access to the entire Materia arsenal of the Shinra Electric Power Company and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of Spira, you little shit. If only you could have known what Holy spells your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have cast Silence on yourself. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the gil, you goddamn idiot. I will cast Flood all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kupo.
 
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Radical Cadre said:
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What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little shit? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Balamb SEEDs, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Mako Reactors, and I have over 300 confirmed magic points. I am trained in 12 Jobs and I’m the top summoner in the entire SOLDIER program. You are nothing to me but just another random encounter. I will wipe you the fuck out with Aim, the likes of which has never been seen before on Gaia, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over Mognet? Think again, kupo. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of scholars across the World of Balance and your bestiary is being scanned right now so you better prepare for the Thundaga, kupo. The Thundaga that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your HP bar. You’re fucking dead, kupo. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with Barehanded. Not only am I extensively trained in physical combat, but I have access to the entire Materia arsenal of the Shinra Electric Power Company and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of Spira, you little shit. If only you could have known what Holy spells your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have cast Silence on yourself. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the gil, you goddamn idiot. I will cast Flood all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kupo.
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This guy are sick.
 
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Catgirl IRL said:
I'm still weirded out that the entire game is just Midgar.

Like I get it, a "faithful remake" would be fucking enormous but along with the plot alterations they're only going to a handful of locations overall, or shit will speed by so fast it barely matters.
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Can't remember if I already said this here or to my brother, but I get the feeling part of the reason they simply stopped at Midgar is because there really isn't that much of a point of going past the city unless you were going to do an honest to god remake (well there were a few other things they did while in the city to consider as well).

I mean, does anyone actually give a crap about what the remake's take on Red XIII's Cosmo Canyon subplot will be? Like how is that subplot necessary anymore when we've already been exposed to the meteor threat (as opposed to the planet just dying because of Mako overuse in the original which I think you can infer here) and also that Red XIII honestly does not matter to the overall plot?

How about the Nibelheim flashback at Calm? Is that necessary anymore since the characters have already confronted Sephiroth, the audience (and Aeris who, like I said before, knows too much) should have some kind of understanding that he presents some kind of threat (perhaps you could argue they may not know the scope of such but that wasn't covered in that flashback anyway so who cares) to people in general, and Hojo, in the remake, has already hinted that Cloud's memories are BS and that he wasn't in Soldier? The answer is no, not really. Certainly not in any particular detail.

What about Gongaga? The only point of going there was just to get fuel for the buggy you get from Golden Saucer which is connected to another subplot that doesn't matter a whole lot in the grand scheme of things. It doesn't help that I doubt we'll be seeing the characters go cross-country in a car. The only other thing of note as far as the story goes is Zack Fair's parents. Whoopdy freaking doo.

Finally there's Barret's Corel subplot which didn't really matter that much in the original. It's just more of a character moment for him. I get it helps show why he hates Shinra and when he did but at this point, why should the audience care anymore? Wasn't what they did to Sector 7 enough for them to understand Shinra is despicable? And just to say, I'm not even opposed to this being in the game at all if say it got converted to a sidequest. As some kind of chapter in the next game though, I just don't get it.

Assuming they still care about treading on the finer points of the main story, the only things that really matter for disk 1's plot are : Rocket Town if only just for the party to get an aircraft which, if you really need that to happen, you could just as well have the characters obtain the airship at Junon, the Temple of the Ancients, Golden Sauncer if only to get that keystone to get to the temple (also Cait Sith who plays a minor role in the temple), and the Forgotten Capital. Everything else really doesn't matter that much.
 
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verissimus said:
I mean, does anyone actually give a crap about what the remake's take on Red XIII's Cosmo Canyon subplot will be? Like how is that subplot necessary anymore when we've already been exposed to the meteor threat (as opposed to the planet just dying because of Mako threat in the original which I think you can infer here) and also that Red XIII honestly does not matter to the overall plot?
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Not just that either, but the original game didn't even mention the Lifestream or what Mako really is until you visit Bugenhagen. At first the game tells you that Mako is the lifeblood of the planet, but it doesn't reveal that it's really the spirits of the dead returning to the planet, It's an excellent bit of worldbuilding and at that point in the game it reinforces why Mako's so important. More critically, this reveal comes well after Sephiroth becomes the primary antagonist; the Lifestream serves a greater purpose to his plan than Shinra, who were just interested in sucking it up for energy.

Not to mention, these reveals are also way more interesting than Red XIII's subplot; the only real good bit is the reveal that his father died protecting Cosmo Canyon, and even then I attribute that more to the music than anything (The Great Warrior is one of my favorite tracks in the game). Take those reveals away and you're left with a decent character moment for arguably one of the more forgettable characters in the game.

verissimus said:
How about the Nibelheim flashback at Calm? Is that necessary anymore since the characters have already confronted Sephiroth, the audience (and Aeris who, like I said before, knows too much) should have some kind of understanding that he presents some kind of threat (perhaps you could argue they may not know the scope of such but that wasn't covered in that flashback anyway so who cares) to people in general, and Hojo in the remake already hinted that Cloud's memories were BS and that he wasn't in Soldier? The answer is no, not really. Certainly not in any particular detail.
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My concern with the Nibelheim flashback is the possibility of them expanding it to the point of bloat. The original flashback was fine, it was straight and to-the-point and it gave hints that Cloud's not really what he says he is. There's no need to add anything; the whole point was to explain Sephiroth's relation to Cloud, and adding anything else is just going to distract from that.
 
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The nier raid in 14 is actually surprisingly good, pleasantly surprised. As for the ff7 remake, makes me realize that all my favorite stuff will be in the next to game, so I'm mostly unimpressed.
 
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Duncan Hills Coffee said:
Not just that either, but the original game didn't even mention the Lifestream or what Mako really is until you visit Bugenhagen. At first the game tells you that Mako is the lifeblood of the planet, but it doesn't reveal that it's really the spirits of the dead returning to the planet, It's an excellent bit of worldbuilding and at that point in the game it reinforces why Mako's so important. More critically, this reveal comes well after Sephiroth becomes the primary antagonist; the Lifestream serves a greater purpose to his plan than Shinra, who were just interested in sucking it up for energy.

Not to mention, these reveals are also way more interesting than Red XIII's subplot; the only real good bit is the reveal that his father died protecting Cosmo Canyon, and even then I attribute that more to the music than anything (The Great Warrior is one of my favorite tracks in the game). Take those reveals away and you're left with a decent character moment for arguably one of the more forgettable characters in the game.


My concern with the Nibelheim flashback is the possibility of them expanding it to the point of bloat. The original flashback was fine, it was straight and to-the-point and it gave hints that Cloud's not really what he says he is. There's no need to add anything; the whole point was to explain Sephiroth's relation to Cloud, and adding anything else is just going to distract from that.
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Get ready for [Tifa's Father] to have an expanded role. Oh boy and [Cloud's Mom] is probably going to have major play. I'm sure we'll learn all about their tumultuous past. She probably rented her empty house to Zack's parents or some gay shit.

Corel? Totally useless since (as others have said) Dyne has already been written into a tiny box in the corner thanks to Barret's apparently incompetence and Shin-Ra's super ultimate evilness. We already had a fight with Jenova so what purpose does the ship from Junon to Coasta del Sol serve anymore? Gonga will be relegated to the late-game huge materia quest unless they change that up, too. And are we really going to have Cid beat the shit out of his wife for sport? That will make him more evil than Shin-Ra in the eyes of the cat ear crowd.

How the fuck are they going to handle Cid?

And Bugenhagen... that dude is entirely useless now. Between Cloud and Aeris, they have all of his power and ability and more. Might as well nuke Cosmo Canyon but you can't because of the construction worker subplot where he fixes your Shin-Ra Model X. I bet you by the end of this that Meteor doesn't even fall on Midgar anymore. It's going to crash down on Cosmo Canyon. Mark it.
 
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Radical Cadre said:
I bet you by the end of this that Meteor doesn't even fall on Midgar anymore. It's going to crash down on Cosmo Canyon. Mark it.
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Headline in the Midgar Times : Meteor is about to destroy Cosmo Canyon, and why that is a good thing.

Story by : Shin-Ra Bugman #41506
 
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