The Final Fantasy Thread

Bunny Tracks said:
It's not actually common in media, but rabid shippers love it which is why they try to turn every instance like this one into it.

It's that along with the fact that 1) the remake gave him this gay little sashay whenever he walks, 2) made him give this small, almost playful smile when he's about to walk into them, and 3) got rid of the scary, menacing, eerily glowing, death glare the previous incarnations had, and toned down the one cool, and creepy thing the last part actually expanded upon, his cold, dead, blank, crazy lizard-eyes
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Its interesting you bring that up. I finally finished the demo and I actually love how they changed it all up.

Before I really get into it I just want to say I adore the presentation and work they put into everything. The music is S tier good. Even better sound design and mixing then Remake. The combat feels a lot better and faster in performance mode and the synergy moves feel as smooth as butter. I was really worried they wouldn't be able to pull the combo attacks but they actually did a great job with that. The open environments are a breath of fresh air that really makes the combat shine. You can hop over waist high obstacles and fences that would stop you dead in Remake (and most modern games for that matter) There's a surprising level of destructibility with the crates and miscellaneous items next to them. There's a moment early on where your in what feels like a locked guided tour with tifa but when you first start combat you can actually go back and explore the environment you ran though which felt amazing. There's only like one thing you can pick up but it was so cool to admire the environment and explore. I honestly felt something playing it that I hadn't felt in a long time. Wonder


I just thought it was pretty incredible how they did the progression of arriving at nibelheim and walking to the reactor. the town is an actual settlement with what looks like a 100 or so people milling about and there's a huge sense of scale when walking through the reactor and mountains, without making it feel like remake filler. Not to mention a fully playable and EXTEMELY customizable Piano minigame. (There's like 6 different tones to switch for each individual key. Im not a piano guy but I know it was crazy detailed) I really loved how they added more characters and detail without having them hog the spotlight.

The worst I can say about is pretty minor, There's a moment where cloud is limping and it felt pretty ridiculous but I understood completely what they were going for. Everybody is currently bitching about the spray paint climbing but htat's petty. There's some high Melanin individuals in Nibelheim that got a chuckle out of me but Square actually pulled it off and managed to make the town feel diverse without feeling woke which was nice. They cut out Tifa's panties but left in the ability to break into her shit which was hilarious.

Now as for the story.

They did a stand up job with the way cloud is presented and telling the tale. You'll know exactly where cloud ends and zack begins if you know the twist, but they play it all completely straight and dont make it glaringly obvious. Everything from crisis core is shown and greatly expanded upon up until right before Genesis is supposed to show up. The cool thing though is that when cloud gets up to the reactor I started to question the narrative and wonder how much of it was actually happening the way he said it.

The implication from all the context and buildup (if cloud can be trusted) is that sephiroth isn't really in control. He's losing the sanity yes, but up until he loses his shit at cloud in the mansion he seems "relatively" there even displaying anger, then he just straight up changes. When they show him killing several villagers right in front of you he's going about it with the due diligence of someone mowing the lawn. The way his eyes look in rebirth (dimly cat like but not as obvious as AC) feels like a man being puppeted by a monster.

I think there's an above average chance they'll lean into the possession angle. Personally It's what I always thought when I played the original. Then again this is assuming everything Cloud "saw" really happened that way. It could be the classic portrayal is correct and Cloud is just being misled into thinking otherwise









Bunny Tracks said:
Okay, ignoring the fact that they completely missed/disregarded the context of the entire situation, can the trope "enemies-to-lovers" just fucking die? Because it's so fucking gross, and cringey, and not even applicable to what's happening here.
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It can be well done in anime when it's an actual straight man-chick relationship. I haven't really seen it done that great in the west.
 
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AlmightyMagichan said:
So hold on a minute, the Sephiroth they fought at the end of part 1 was supposed to be from the original game dimension, right? Does that mean there are two Sephiroths running around?
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Completely unknown but based on the ultimana and such Im gonna say there's only one "real" sephiroth and one "fake" that's using him as a skinsuit. I think the "fake" one is the one from the original end and AC.

It doesn't help that in the remake a lot of it is hallucinations/past memories from AC cloud. which muddle the waters considerably. Honestly if you treat almost every appearance of him in the remake as a separate standalone entity it makes a lot more sense. He's extremely disconnected in tone and attitude to cloud and not uniformly evil like he was in AC.
 
A couple interesting tidbits I’ve discovered on Twitter:

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I can hear the SephiKura shippers squealing.
 
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Broseph said:
People are already posting spoilers for this fucking game on Twitter?
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They haven't leaked the game yet, it's just covering stuff from the press demo addon that we won't get till the 21st I believe. Well that and all the various interviews have a Lot of interesting tidbits.

The most leaked thing was the trophy list currently. We are all likely going to have to avoid social media like the plague.

Especially as the whole game with side content is something like 100 hours.
 
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Michael Wade said:
Completely unknown but based on the ultimana and such Im gonna say there's only one "real" sephiroth and one "fake" that's using him as a skinsuit. I think the "fake" one is the one from the original end and AC.

It doesn't help that in the remake a lot of it is hallucinations/past memories from AC cloud. which muddle the waters considerably. Honestly if you treat almost every appearance of him in the remake as a separate standalone entity it makes a lot more sense. He's extremely disconnected in tone and attitude to cloud and not uniformly evil like he was in AC.
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Wasn’t Sephiroth in the original game just Jenova wearing Sephiroth’s skin? I remember Sephiroth only actually appeared right at the end of the game in the lifestream.
 
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Resunoit said:
A quote I remember from the gym is “I can’t get enough of those muscles” or something. I remember they were the overly gay bodybuilders obsessed with each others muscles. Then there was Andrea from the honeybee inn who I just found hilarious because he’s every gay stereotype in one character. I like faggot characters that are joke characters, just not faggots.
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Don't forget that creepy stalker Roche.
 
Resunoit said:
Wasn’t Sephiroth in the original game just Jenova wearing Sephiroth’s skin? I remember Sephiroth only actually appeared right at the end of the game in the lifestream.
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thats a popular theory, but Sephiroth was in full control of Jenova. he was controlling all the Jenova puppets that shapeshift as him while he was chilling in the lifestream
 
Resunoit said:
Wasn’t Sephiroth in the original game just Jenova wearing Sephiroth’s skin? I remember Sephiroth only actually appeared right at the end of the game in the lifestream.
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Yeah it was just pieces of her shape shifted to look like him. He didn't even technically kill aerith, he was frozen in a mako crystal until cloud gave him the black materia.

The question I guess is he still there in the remake?

@Resunoit it's actually not that simple. If I'm not mistaken Jenova legit kickstarted the insanity, and then they imply in some background materials that sephiroth eventually subsumed her influence and did it for himself but it's not ironclad in-game canon.
 
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In the original game there are enough hints, and things in general are vague enough, that you could argue it was all Jenova. That Sephiroth died at Neibelheim, and when Jenova's head fell into the lifestream she used what was left of his body as a vessel since he had her cells in him.

But come on, Sephy is way too popular for that to be the case.
 
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AlmightyMagichan said:
In the original game there are enough hints, and things in general are vague enough, that you could argue it was all Jenova. That Sephiroth died at Neibelheim, and when Jenova's head fell into the lifestream she used what was left of his body as a vessel since he had her cells in him.

But come on, Sephy is way too popular for that to be the case.
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The problem is that there's about 15 different renditions of the story (thanks to multiple official translations and butcherings of various games and movies) and Squenix acts like every single one of them is canon.

I was under the idea that Jenova was impersonating Sephiroth until you meet the real one at the Northern Cave
 
Dr. Geronimo said:
The problem is that there's about 15 different renditions of the story (thanks to multiple official translations and butcherings of various games and movies) and Squenix acts like every single one of them is canon.

I was under the idea that Jenova was impersonating Sephiroth until you meet the real one at the Northern Cave
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There are 5 versions of what happened at nibelheim yes. But there's only one major discrepancy.

Did cloud throw him into the reactor shaft or did he jump? Cloud and Zack believe he threw him, and a Turk spy from the ova and before Crisis saw him jump. Otherwise it isn't too crazy aside from genesis showing up in crisis core to egg sephiroth on. Very interested to see how rebirth tackles it, I wouldn't be surprised if they add even more twists.
 
The Demon Pimp of Razgriz said:
In honor of the recent reveal regarding remake, I'd like to share this video with everyone, so that we can all temper our expectations and remember that...FF VII Remake was kinda mid TBH:
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Man, i'm gonna say one thing about FF7R:
The fucking ghosts from Kingdom Hearts. That's the only thing i'm staying away from this version of ff7.
 
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The Demon Pimp of Razgriz said:
In honor of the recent reveal regarding remake, I'd like to share this video with everyone, so that we can all temper our expectations and remember that...FF VII Remake was kinda mid TBH:
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I mean, I didn’t have a problem with the game going its own route for the story, even though they probably should’ve been more clear about that from the get go.

Again though, I have very limited experience with this sort of story direction. Did the Kingdom Hearts series’s narrative really sour the stew in terms of these sorts of tales by Square-Enix games?
 
LightDragonman1 said:
Did the Kingdom Hearts series’s narrative really sour the stew in terms of these sorts of tales by Square-Enix games?
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It's not really the story that's the killer - but the amount of it.

Kingdom Hearts 3, you might think, would be the 3rd entry into the franchise or possibly you remember one or two unimportant spinoff games. There are 13 of these fucking things - spanning 17 years and on something like ~7 different consoles.

FF7 is much the same way - when you think of FF7 you just think of FF7 (PS1) but there was also Dirge of Cerebrus, Advent Children, Ever Crisis, Crisis Core, and now Remake and Rebirth spanning 25 years and still tweaking things around. Then there's Cloud/Sephiroth in Smash Brothers, in that other fighting game, in Kingdom Hearts, in whatever the fuck else they're in and it's just a huge mess to keep track of.

A good story is fine - but eventually it needs to end in a somewhat satisfactory way and if you're going to have a story run this long you need to be super careful about lore contradictions (and Nomura isn't) otherwise it feels messy.
 
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