The Final Fantasy Thread

One Winged Pear Farmer said:
The original does contain cloud losing it but I think they were referring to how much more obvious and explicit it is in the remake. I will agree it’s a lot more obvious than the weird seizure animations the original went with
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Yeah, we've gone from weird animations to him outright losing control at times, and in fact its entirely ambiguous at the end of Rebirth if he's even himself still as opposed to being hollowed out completely by Sephiroth.
 
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Snekposter said:
Yeah, we've gone from weird animations to him outright losing control at times, and in fact its entirely ambiguous at the end of Rebirth if he's even himself still as opposed to being hollowed out completely by Sephiroth.
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He’d outright lose control in the original too…

Him seeing Aerith when she’s dead wasn’t part of his old loss of control. And she’s been framed as a wrinkle in that control already, though maybe the delusion now incorporates her for that reason. I’d expect that’s going to be used as a tonal bridge where once there was a notorious tonal shift (snowboarding after your girlfriend’s murder) but at the same time I can’t imagine not having Icicle Inn’s home videos turned into an unmissable cutscene. And that would obviously force some kind of contradiction or confrontation. Maybe instead Icicle Inn will be returned to as part of uncovering the nature of Holy, or maybe Hojo will divulge something after his boss fight (but that would be a strange place to put that).

Either way it isn’t actually that faithful. For the moment.

Edit; also there’s the ambiguously attained scene where a ghost of Aerith appears in her Church from the original, when you get the key back into Midgar. Maybe the twist will be that seeing her is merely parallel to Sephiroth’s puppetry but not synonymous.

In any case, I find it pointless to speculate because Square is hard to predict, and oftentimes goes in irrational directions (FFX-3) .
 
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I simply have no interest in FF16 and while I'm somewhat still interested in Rebirth it's not like I have any real reason to rush to play it as part 3 isn't going to be out anytime soon.
Also I heard that Rebirth is more faithful and has less retarded shit than part 1 which saddens me as I liked the retarded time shit in part 1 that made it into a weird sequel.
 
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huckbeine said:
I dont like FF7 Rebirth more than FF7 Remake because Cloud didn't go full Chris Brown on Aerith like in the original. Squeenix had one job with the Rebirth and they flubbed it with Cloud not brutalizing Aerith
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Even in the original it looks like he’s charlie-horsing her legs
 
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> open chest
> greeted by 4 Rhyos
> bad breath
> hits all 4 party members
> 50% chance of stone
> everyone petrified
> party wiped

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huckbeine said:
I can do without Cid not beating the girl, but they removed his smoking and there's no fucking shut up sit down and drink your goddamn tea!

everything about the FF7 remake compilation is like 4kids localizing a shounen anime, which is very kiddified media itsef
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I cant do without it because of the exact reason you said. Everything about the remake is about removing any complex emotions or morality from the game and just making it good guys vs bad guys for marvel slop eating chimps
The ethics team and its consequences have been disastrous for Square Enix
 
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Picked up XII The Zodiac Age, I enjoyed the original on PS2 but didn't get that far. I'm kind of intimidated by the jobs system Zodiac Age introduces, I don't want to unknowingly pick bad job combinations to then realise I'm missing an essential role when I'm already a couple of dozen hours in to the game. The first job is obvious for some characters (Basch a knight, Ashe a white mage) and I know you get to pick a second for each later. My questions are:
What should I avoid when picking their jobs?
Are there any essential job combinations that I need to make sure I have, as not having them will really fuck up my mid to late game?
 
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TheArtilleryman said:
Picked up XII The Zodiac Age, I enjoyed the original on PS2 but didn't get that far. I'm kind of intimidated by the jobs system Zodiac Age introduces, I don't want to unknowingly pick bad job combinations to then realise I'm missing an essential role when I'm already a couple of dozen hours in to the game. The first job is obvious for some characters (Basch a knight, Ashe a white mage) and I know you get to pick a second for each later. My questions are:
What should I avoid when picking their jobs?
Are there any essential job combinations that I need to make sure I have, as not having them will really fuck up my mid to late game?
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I’m in the same boat. Went to a midnight release for it. Played it for several years and stopped playing. Probably because I didn’t like the combat system as a FF game.

But I will probably end up taking another stab at it in the future when it’s on a Steam sale.
 
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PROS:

There are some recycled assets, but they’ve been cleverly tweaked—like merging Crescent Lake and Cornelia to create Fynn, The backgrounds are nice, with the snow terrain of Salamand standing out in particular. The castles and Mysidia Tower were designed with some sense of logic; I appreciate how the layouts of the lower and upper floors stay consistent—somebody was actually thinking about architecture.

Main character sprites are practically nonexistent, you're just blobs moving across the screen, but everyone else is distinct enough that you can tell who they are. There are some impressive animations: the airship traffic around Fynn, the Dreadnought exploding. Visually, I didn’t really miss much from the later remasters, which speaks to the Famicom game’s art.

For an 8-bit RPG, the pacing isn’t bad, and the guest characters are fun and memorable, even if their actual utility is questionable.

The main campaign isn’t too brutal. A lot of bosses are crammed into the final dungeon. The few that appear earlier are mostly pushovers. Elemental and Cure magic isn’t an absolute nightmare to level and works well enough without hours of grinding. Ultima, despite its bad reputation, is actually decent.

CONS:

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  1. Everything Is Luck-Based. You might get ambushed by a squad of generals who gang bang you before you can blink. Esuna might remove a status effect. Your items might do the same. You might gain MP at the end of battle—even after chugging through a ton of mana. Crack open this chest and it might vomit out a nightmare beast that immediately casts multi-target Death on your party.
  2. Stat Downs/The Game Punishes You for Experimenting
    Train in more than one weapon? Congrats, now none of them are strong enough to hit when you actually need them. Let your black mage attack? Whoops, there goes their intelligence. So many spells are redundant because they’re bugged, or a superior version comes along five minutes later. Ultima, the spell that should be the weakest in the game, is somehow stronger than your already-leveled Holy. Flare? Go fuck yourself.
  3. Status Ailments Are the Worst
    If you’re hit with a status effect in battle, you don’t gain any experience. I get the logic behind it, but in practice, it was so infuriating that I replayed the entire game just to make sure I wasn’t losing my mind. Esuna is worthless unless you grind it, as status effects persist even outside of battle unless it is high level. This means constantly wasting turns in battle just to make sure you can actually cure yourself later.
I hate grinding. But in Final Fantasy II, status ailments will absolutely ruin your day. My first time through, I tried training all three characters in weapons—made the early game a breeze. Then, by the mid-game, it turned into an absolute slog because I was constantly being blinded, poisoned, charmed, paralyzed, or cursed. And somehow, Fire 3 is a perfectly good attack spell, but Esuna 3 can’t even cure the worst status effects? WTF is going on here?

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Oh. :|
 
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Sounds about right. For my own experience FF2 is downright cursed as I can never defeat the last boss. And I don’t mean “he owns me every time” as that was only a factor in my first playthrough I mean the universe still conspire against me finishing the game. If I emulate it there will be some memory failure no matter what.
 
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Berrakh said:
Sounds about right. For my own experience FF2 is downright cursed as I can never defeat the last boss. And I don’t mean “he owns me every time” as that was only a factor in my first playthrough I mean the universe still conspire against me finishing the game. If I emulate it there will be some memory failure no matter what.
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Man, i flew all the Pandemonium Castle, only to kill the last bosses and against the True Emperor i just cheesed with Leon & Blood Sword (since my Firion used Lances to have a mix between weapon damage & magic).
I think Ricard is the best side character in FF2.
 
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Prophetic Spirit said:
Man, i flew all the Pandemonium Castle, only to kill the last bosses and against the True Emperor i just cheesed with Leon & Blood Sword (since my Firion used Lances to have a mix between weapon damage & magic).
I think Ricard is the best side character in FF2.
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Missed those my first run. Second run I had a beastly party even without them, but also had them, and lost the file somehow.
 
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