The Final Fantasy Thread

I like it so far. It's going to be different, it's going to be stuffed to the brim with nostalgia, but maybe it won't be bad. If it's bad, it'll probably still make money but if dirge of cerberus and advent children couldn't ruin the world of ff7, then this won't either. the old game is still there.
 
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Dude must have forgotten about part 2 but he posted the end of the demo. One big change in the game is that AVALANCHE's bomb doesn't actually go off, and instead Shinra just blows the thing up themselves. Honestly I think that's fucking dumb and really fucks with the story.
 
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Dr. Geronimo said:

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Dude must have forgotten about part 2 but he posted the end of the demo. One big change in the game is that AVALANCHE's bomb doesn't actually go off, and instead Shinra just blows the thing up themselves. Honestly I think that's fucking dumb and really fucks with the story.
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How funny would it be that the game isn't really a remake towards the end, and you've been just Groundhog daying the events for 20 years trying to snag the right timestream where you can resurrect Aerith.
 
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Dr. Geronimo said:

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Dude must have forgotten about part 2 but he posted the end of the demo. One big change in the game is that AVALANCHE's bomb doesn't actually go off, and instead Shinra just blows the thing up themselves. Honestly I think that's fucking dumb and really fucks with the story.
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I get the feeling they want to try to do more with the Shinra president since the original game built him up as a major villain only to kill him off really early on, but that worked in the original because it made Sephiroth's sudden appearance that much more impactful, with him just casually killing off the antagonist so early in the adventure. I don't really see the point in expanding his role here because all that does is highlight how little he contributes to the story overall.
 
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I get the feeling they want to try to do more with the Shinra president since the original game built him up as a major villain only to kill him off really early on, but that worked in the original because it made Sephiroth's sudden appearance that much more impactful, with him just casually killing off the antagonist so early in the adventure. I don't really see the point in expanding his role here because all that does is highlight how little he contributes to the story overall.
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They're doing what Peter Jackson did to The Hobbit and are making every small event seem significant.

This may not work for movies, but it works for games. Dragon Quest 11 did something similar with how every chapter had a big bad behind it only for a greater evil to come next chapter until you got to the post game boss who was the biggest bad of them all.
 
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Duncan Hills Coffee said:
I get the feeling they want to try to do more with the Shinra president since the original game built him up as a major villain only to kill him off really early on, but that worked in the original because it made Sephiroth's sudden appearance that much more impactful, with him just casually killing off the antagonist so early in the adventure. I don't really see the point in expanding his role here because all that does is highlight how little he contributes to the story overall.
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Not only does he contribute so little, but from the looks of things they're just taking other shit and giving it to him, like the bombing.

They're trying really hard to stretch this shit out, and people are right in assuming that it will all just be padding and it reinforces my thoughts on this whole project. Midgar should never have been expanded on. You're not supposed to experience that part of the world. You're a slum fuck that doesn't belong there. It also doesn't help that they're cramming so much shit in this part that doesn't happen until later (Sephiroth, summons) that it really makes you worry about what the fuck they're going to do with the later parts.

Also while it probably wasn't intended, having Midgar feel empty helps to sell just how wrong the whole place is. That it shouldn't exist and is a tumor on the world.

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This may not work for movies, but it works for games. Dragon Quest 11 did something similar with how every chapter had a big bad behind it only for a greater evil to come next chapter until you got to the post game boss who was the biggest bad of them all.
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Shit like this is why the only JRPGs I like are the ones without voice acting and americanized translation. The whole 'haha I was the big bad all along' trope is so damn annoying. You don't have to expose your main antagonist in the first act, but you gotta do some build up somewhere.
 
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Everything looks real cool but I wonder if there are a large number of people who're not all that excited since this is only episode one of however many episodes Square decides to put out for what was originally one title.

Plus, there's a 50/50 chance that they somehow misjudge sales or project timelines and the last quarter of the story Square releases as episode 4 or whatever becomes a rushjob to get the thing out there and repair plot holes with new story threads they introduce in the remake via "Episode Cloud/Barret/Sephiroth" DLC like FFXV.

It just seems like going with this approach means they haven't learned anything from the past decade of fucking up the mainline games.
 
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Not only does he contribute so little, but from the looks of things they're just taking other shit and giving it to him, like the bombing.

They're trying really hard to stretch this shit out, and people are right in assuming that it will all just be padding and it reinforces my thoughts on this whole project. Midgar should never have been expanded on. You're not supposed to experience that part of the world. You're a slum fuck that doesn't belong there. It also doesn't help that they're cramming so much shit in this part that doesn't happen until later (Sephiroth, summons) that it really makes you worry about what the fuck they're going to do with the later parts.

Also while it probably wasn't intended, having Midgar feel empty helps to sell just how wrong the whole place is. That it shouldn't exist and is a tumor on the world.



Shit like this is why the only JRPGs I like are the ones without voice acting and americanized translation. The whole 'haha I was the big bad all along' trope is so damn annoying. You don't have to expose your main antagonist in the first act, but you gotta do some build up somewhere.
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I think a deep-dive into Midgar could be interesting; it wasn't supposed to be empty, it was just really limited. The place is supposed to be a highly-populated city where humans live like a cancerous tumor on the planet as they suck the lifestream straight into their TV sets. I thought the original did a good job of balancing time in Midgar, but there could be a lot of interesting things to explore in a longer, much better-looking game. The president of Shinra was supposed to be an evil bitch; it could be cool to dig deeper into why Shinra is so evil that it justifies the terrorist attacks that you commit.
 
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jellycar said:
Still don't like that a guy younger than most of us is voicing Cloud. What happened to Steve Burton?
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The current rumor going around is that since Burton is in a voice actor’s union, he won’t appear in a role unless he’s properly credited. I haven’t been able to find an official source for that so it’s up in the air as to why he got replaced.
 
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Kideo Hojima said:
The current rumor going around is that since Burton is in a voice actor’s union, he won’t appear in a role unless he’s properly credited. I haven’t been able to find an official source for that so it’s up in the air as to why he got replaced.
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I just find it odd that Burton was in the initial announcement trailers from years back and he's suddenly not in the remake anymore. And it's not just him. Beau Billingslea, the guy who voiced Barrett, is also not there anymore.

At the same time, I have to wonder if it has anything to do with Burton not appearing in Super Smash Bros, because I distinctly remember hearing his voice in the announcement trailers but when Cloud actually dropped his voice was his Japanese actor.
 
Kideo Hojima said:
The current rumor going around is that since Burton is in a voice actor’s union, he won’t appear in a role unless he’s properly credited. I haven’t been able to find an official source for that so it’s up in the air as to why he got replaced.
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That's really odd, especially since Square Enix pays union voice actors routinely for stuff. The Mana 3 remake has union actors IIRC.
 
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Everything looks real cool but I wonder if there are a large number of people who're not all that excited since this is only episode one of however many episodes Square decides to put out for what was originally one title.

Plus, there's a 50/50 chance that they somehow misjudge sales or project timelines and the last quarter of the story Square releases as episode 4 or whatever becomes a rushjob to get the thing out there and repair plot holes with new story threads they introduce in the remake via "Episode Cloud/Barret/Sephiroth" DLC like FFXV.

It just seems like going with this approach means they haven't learned anything from the past decade of fucking up the mainline games.
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I think Square has learned enough to realize they can't just shit this out there like they did for FFXV - but the lack of clarity of the episodic nature really rubs me the wrong way. There's no attention drawn to it in any way, even calling the release "FF7 Remake" instead of "FF7 Remake : Part 1" or "FF7 Remake : Midgar Chapter" really feels a bit shitty.

Presumably the game will be broken into at least 3 parts, meaning it's going to be $180 at a minimum - which is something I would suggest that they get in front of but they seem determined not to.
 
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Bit of an unrelated note, but I always thought that a cover of this song would've been good to include in the Final Fantasy XV soundtrack in addition to the Florence & The Machine of "Stand By Me" that was in the game. I'm serious.

 
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Tanner Glass said:
I think Square has learned enough to realize they can't just shit this out there like they did for FFXV - but the lack of clarity of the episodic nature really rubs me the wrong way. There's no attention drawn to it in any way, even calling the release "FF7 Remake" instead of "FF7 Remake : Part 1" or "FF7 Remake : Midgar Chapter" really feels a bit shitty.

Presumably the game will be broken into at least 3 parts, meaning it's going to be $180 at a minimum - which is something I would suggest that they get in front of but they seem determined not to.
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A part of me hopes that the only reason they're showing off Midgar so much is because it has more marketability but that's just wishful thinking/me being optimistic because this is modern Squenix. :(
 
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I watched the demo leak, looking forward to the game and then lost interest.

The original got right into the action, this is talk talk talk and worse, downplaying your a terrorist by showing Shinra themselves destroying the plant.
 
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