The Final Fantasy Thread

And Final Fantasy had long started a trend where the Main Girl is magically attuned and sometimes more tied into the plot than the Hero, who often has a more personal stake instead. So the Wrong Main Character Syndrome grew out of that trend as well ( said trend also started by 7 I'd say).. You can see the origin of miscalculating who has the bigger stake and more emotional weight beginning here with this. With X being I think the first time you could feel it but X was overall a big hit so it didn't matter.
 
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Berrakh said:
I dunno, I think Terra is as old as Biggs and Wedge.
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Rydia fits into your theory, does she not?

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Berrakh said:
And Final Fantasy had long started a trend where the Main Girl is magically attuned and sometimes more tied into the plot than the Hero, who often has a more personal stake instead. So the Wrong Main Character Syndrome grew out of that trend as well (also started by 7 I'd say).. You can see the origin of miscalculating who has the bigger stake and more emotional weight beginning there. With X being I think the first time you could feel it but X was overall a big hit so it didn't matter.
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12 compounded that problem that using the main avatar as Vaan, who is furthest from any of the relevant characters. It kind of draws an argument on who was the main character: Ashe, Basch, or Balthier, considering they all have separate arcs that all seem equally important. Kind of the same feeling with Tidus, who was essentially a subordinate for the player to take a role in the world of X.
 
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Vapid_Idiot said:
Kind of the same feeling with Tidus, who was essentially a subordinate for the player to take a role in the world of X.
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10-2 removed him, and you don't really miss him.

Come to think of it, that's probably why Rikku acts brain-damaged in 10-2. I'm fond of Tidus, but he wasn't the sharpest tool in the shed.
 
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Berrakh said:
With Tidus they did tie it back via Jecht and his romance with Yuna kept her relevant so it wasn't so bad. Vaan has neither advantage.
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I think what they were trying to with Tidus was a good idea, he is an outsider in the group from a different world/time, he was the only character's name you could change, he learns about the world along with you, etc. Using him as the "main character" was a good way to introduce the world, as it essentially is presenting itself to the player narratively in it's explanation of the locale and plot.

Vaan, on the other hand, is already a denizen of Ivalice, so the way 12 builds it's world is quite different. It explains things globally on a geopolitical scale, and then moves its way closer to how the world affects the society the characters live in.

I think Tidus is easier to connect to because you learn about the world with him, as opposed to trying to figure out if Vaan is even relevant to a global conflict.
 
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JamesFargo said:
10-2 removed him entirely, and you don't really miss him.
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Considering the entire narration for the whole game is Yuna explaining to Tidus what's happened while he was gone and this coming full circle in the true ending, that's not totally true. I'd throw in the fact that in the original game you could eventually play against and recruit him in Blitzball, but X-2's Blitzball minigame sucked hard.
 
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I realized why I am kinda meh on Zack. And it is a bias against the Compilation but a well reasoned bias in my opinion. I understand what people like about him but there are many heroes just like him and the story in which he gets to express these qualities was stupid. I can't divorce the two. I can't take his heroism seriously if he's squaring off against a gay supervillain OC.
 
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Berrakh said:
I can't take his heroism seriously if he's squaring off against a gay supervillain OC.
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And spare me the thought of Zack fending off a platoon of gunships.

In the original, he is shot with such speed that players are left reeling. What a bleak, unforgettable image that was.

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Tuxedo_Zemus said:
It's in the sky. Although I always read it as being in the sky in the original. That NES style, black night sky with white pixel stars is just how the sky looked to me in NES games.
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Does it look sci-fi?
 
Zach is true and honest and is the guy Cloud and the weebs wish they were.

Vapid_Idiot said:
12 compounded that problem that using the main avatar as Vaan, who is furthest from any of the relevant characters. It kind of draws an argument on who was the main character: Ashe, Basch, or Balthier, considering they all have separate arcs that all seem equally important. Kind of the same feeling with Tidus, who was essentially a subordinate for the player to take a role in the world of X.
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I just got done dicking around with the bunny women in the Golmore Jungle in FF12. I went from finding Vaan annoying to finding him alright. He's a blunt object and it does help at one point so far when they're arguing with the playboy bunnies, but he avoids being an overly energetic shonen hot head hero at least. Of course this an all change as the game goes so I'll find out.

Tidus is intergral to the plot because of his dad, a theme that also applies to Yuna. Two prodigies living under their parents shadows, having to eventually take them down to finally stop Sin for good.

Stupid thought after typing that: daddies are the last bosses, the past is evil, big evil whale named Sin.... Sins of the father?
 
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Smug Chuckler said:
Here are more ff3 changes:

Phoenix Downs can be farmed, no more farming birds in bahamut's mountain.
Job adjustments from the 3d version:
- Bards are more useful with Sing.
- Black Belts have Yang's ability from FF4.
- Viking's Provoke is multi-target, hooray for being useful as a tank.
- Geomancers like the 3d version won't make you mad with backfire.
- Dark Knight's special ability finally scales well.
You can come back to Sea Shrine if you miss something
Defend gives job exp
Sage and Ninja are nerfed
Cloud of Darkness no longer spams her LAZOR attack.
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Oh god did they actually make the game playable and good?
 
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Smug Chuckler said:
Most of FF3 (NES)'s difficulty is from bullshit mechanics and lack of save points. 3D version is harder in some ways like enemies attacking twice because the hardware it was developed for was not able to handle more polygons and therefore more monsters. Unlike the 3d version, the graphics have aged better and it has the best soundtrack but it's missing the Iron Giant dungeon. So yeah if you own/played the japanese nes classic or the 3d versions, you might be hesitant to buy this one. But it's great for the normies/newcomers.
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Does it fix the biggest fucking problem with FF3, the massively fucked final act where you, with ZERO save points and limited resources to heal and resurrect your dead, have to:

  1. Go through a tough as shit maze surrounding the final castle, to get to said tower
  2. go to the basement of said tower and fight through a huge underground lair filled with some of the toughest monsters in the game, to get the two top tier A+++ jobs that can only be unlucked there AND fight your way back to the tower
  3. Then either A. exit the tower and pray you can get through the maze surrounding the final castle so you can save and heal and resurrect your dead and restock your supplies THEN go back through the maze and back to the tower or B. start the climb up the tower, which can take about an hour to get through due to the size of the tower AND the number of ultra dangerous enemies you'll face with rapidly dwindling healing supplies
  4. Fight the big bad and live
  5. Watch the previously unmentioned and introduced in the final act REAL big bad, appear and drag you into another major dungeon hell
  6. Fight through four MORE dungeons filled with more ultra dangerous enemies and four new sub bosses for the REAL big bad that are super fucking tough and cheat like fuck in battle against you
  7. And if you survive THOSE four bosses, you have to fight the REAL big bad and she's a cheating motherfucker and then some.
?????????

That's always been the biggest complaint I've heard about FF3, which is to say that it's pretty much a merciless bitch goddess to play in any and all form save for emulator, because the final act is such a cruel sadistic death march of suffering, that it's pretty much IMPOSSIBLE to beat unless you are playing it on an emulator since only on an emulator, can you save on this death march of suffering and horror that is the final act.
 
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MirrorNoir said:
That's always been the biggest complaint I've heard about FF3, which is to say that it's pretty much a merciless bitch goddess because the final act is such a cruel sadistic death march of suffering
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Fans deny that it's hard. As if raiding and grinding is the solution to everything. Psh, you kids today...
 
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WTF...$75 for the entire collection on Steam....well this sucks. I assumed the entire collection would be a wee bit cheaper considering these are older games, and I have literally all of the other versions on steam. Are they going to be separate purchases on consoles (if they come on console)?

I just realized the preorder is 22% off. This is some Squeenix bullshit. Hard pass. I will wait and see if there is a christmas sale.
 
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Does it fix the biggest fucking problem with FF3, the massively fucked final act where you, with ZERO save points and limited resources to heal and resurrect your dead, have to:

  1. Go through a tough as shit maze surrounding the final castle, to get to said tower
  2. go to the basement of said tower and fight through a huge underground lair filled with some of the toughest monsters in the game, to get the two top tier A+++ jobs that can only be unlucked there AND fight your way back to the tower
  3. Then either A. exit the tower and pray you can get through the maze surrounding the final castle so you can save and heal and resurrect your dead and restock your supplies THEN go back through the maze and back to the tower or B. start the climb up the tower, which can take about an hour to get through due to the size of the tower AND the number of ultra dangerous enemies you'll face with rapidly dwindling healing supplies
  4. Fight the big bad and live
  5. Watch the previously unmentioned and introduced in the final act REAL big bad, appear and drag you into another major dungeon hell
  6. Fight through four MORE dungeons filled with more ultra dangerous enemies and four new sub bosses for the REAL big bad that are super fucking tough and cheat like fuck in battle against you
  7. And if you survive THOSE four bosses, you have to fight the REAL big bad and she's a cheating motherfucker and then some.
?????????

That's always been the biggest complaint I've heard about FF3, which is to say that it's pretty much a merciless bitch goddess to play in any and all form save for emulator, because the final act is such a cruel sadistic death march of suffering, that it's pretty much IMPOSSIBLE to beat unless you are playing it on an emulator since only on an emulator, can you save on this death march of suffering and horror that is the final act.
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There's Phoenix downs and shit, and autosaves you can load if you wipe.
 
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