The Hitman Fanbase - ft. Hitman Forums, r/Hitman

[BetterFuckChuck]

https://old.reddit.com/r/HiTMAN/comments/1gzjrk6/io_interactive_statement_on_connor_mcgregor/

https://www.hitmanforum.com/t/serious-tw-sexual-assault-conor-mcgregor-the-disruptor-verdict-and-presence-in-the-game/22482/101

Theyre delisting the Conor McGregor DLC because of his losing the civil suit. Hitman Forum is so cucked theyre saying all the DLC's contents: the suits, the items, the mission, that people all paid for, should be removed too to punish people for daring to buy something with a bad person in it

 

[graywolf88]

I like that the past three and a half years are covered by one page on a thread I just found out existed today.

 

[necromech_]

Senpai noticed (kidding, kidding)
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So I posted a controversial topic to the Hitman reddit page about how weird I found it that people in HMF and on youtube were demanding that the games should be a kill simulator for people to murder their least favourite celebrities. One of the thread subjects, Kotti, jumped in and started doing a le moral relativist take. Then he realised it was me and did his usually thing of linking this thread (he's done this before) in an attempt to throw some sort of bitch fit.

What's interesting is I praised Kotti in the thread as being unironically entertaining to watch yet he still won't let this go.

(the second highlight is of him claiming people shouldn't hide their speedrun strats, ironic since his Blood Money speedrun is now deleted and he wanted to get rid of a strat because people were catching up to him.)

Anyway, just thought that was interesting

I hate to necro old posts, and without getting into the whole moral relativist debacle and personal attacks between you and Kotti, the guy hasn't submitted/competed/grinded for "speed runs" officially since 2018. Even in 2018 he's said numerous times he was burned out by running purely for speed, and has grown to hate grinding for perfect runs, at the very least, as early as 2018, debatably a bit before that in 2016.
He didn't "hide his speed run strats" because he didn't want people to "catch up to him," he couldn't care a less about speedrun times and who's the world record holder. He's a casual speed runner, if that makes sense. He knows Blood Money and Hitman 2016 very well, and from time to time, in between doing casual blind playthroughs of other games, he routes and does challenge runs for Hitman, while hanging out with his friends and regulars over some beers. He prefers a semi-fast stylish or creative route that people not familiar with the game can easily follow and find amusing, rather than grinding over and over in order to get a top time.
They're are bigger retarded evils on Hitmanforum than this guy. Even if you think some of his old takes were dumb about headturning, as outdated and irrelevant as that argument is now since the effects have been toned way down, and nobody even brings it up, he's just a chill guy who kills his time trying to come up with fun routes in Hitman. He speaks out against scummy business practices in the gaming industry; he doesn't ban, censor, or have obvious preference for political sides- like Quinn and Jarbinger/Wince.

Those two cunts are so far up their own asses, it's staggering to see the ratio of leftist slop takes posted by them on the forum, relative to the amount of stuff where they actually talk about the games. It's obscene how lopsided the ratio is and deluded those two are. I got banned for even suggesting that Kamala wasn't anywhere as strong of candidate, and questioning where the disparity of votes for Kamala went, compared in 2024 to 2020.

Just wanted to add some context, since I don't think Kotti's nearly as bad as some have made him out to be.
Let his comments against you stand by themselves, but I think the guy has little patience for bullshit, and just likes talk shit about video games with his regulars. Twitch is already enough of an obnoxious hellhole with spam bots, constant obnoxious sub notifications and personalities, don't need to add to that.

 

[BetterFuckChuck]

hate to necro old posts, and without getting into the whole moral relativist debacle and personal attacks between you and Kotti, the guy hasn't submitted/competed/grinded for "speed runs" officially since 2018. Even in 2018 he's said numerous times he was burned out by running purely for speed, and has grown to hate grinding for perfect runs, at the very least, as early as 2018, debatably a bit before that in 2016.
He didn't "hide his speed run strats" because he didn't want people to "catch up to him," he couldn't care a less about speedrun times and who's the world record holder. He's a casual speed runner, if that makes sense. He knows Blood Money and Hitman 2016 very well, and from time to time, in between doing casual blind playthroughs of other games, he routes and does challenge runs for Hitman, while hanging out with his friends and regulars over some beers. He prefers a semi-fast stylish or creative route that people not familiar with the game can easily follow and find amusing, rather than grinding over and over in order to get a top time.
They're are bigger retarded evils on Hitmanforum than this guy. Even if you think some of his old takes were dumb about headturning, as outdated and irrelevant as that argument is now since the effects have been toned way down, and nobody even brings it up, he's just a chill guy who kills his time trying to come up with fun routes in Hitman. He speaks out against scummy business practices in the gaming industry; he doesn't ban, censor, or have obvious preference for political sides- like Quinn and Jarbinger/Wince.

Those two cunts are so far up their own asses, it's staggering to see the ratio of leftist slop takes posted by them on the forum, relative to the amount of stuff where they actually talk about the games. It's obscene how lopsided the ratio is and deluded those two are. I got banned for even suggesting that Kamala wasn't anywhere as strong of candidate, and questioning where the disparity of votes for Kamala went, compared in 2024 to 2020.

Just wanted to add some context, since I don't think Kotti's nearly as bad as some have made him out to be.
Let his comments against you stand by themselves, but I think the guy has little patience for bullshit, and just likes talk shit about video games with his regulars. Twitch is already enough of an obnoxious hellhole with spam bots, constant obnoxious sub notifications and personalities, don't need to add to that.

I agree with this. I have problems with kotti, he a-logs the rating system for years even when he on stream blatantly gets caught doing something illegal, but he's not really a lolcow. just slightly eccentric. I dont want to start writing thread OPs so im not volunteering but I think that if someone with just as much knowledge of the forums and the culture there rewrote this you could focus on way more people than just the three from that thread. HMF and the Hitman fanbase is full of bipolar people

The forum is run by a schizo, the community manager is a tranny chase, Dribbleondo is a pretentious bong, Heisenberg is a sperg, etc. even cjgarof, big mooney and auzzie gamer clearly have mental problems. not to metion mrgroomer2552

btw speaking of which new controversy: https://www.hitmanforum.com/t/hitman-world-of-assassination-sapienza/22995

IOI are selling Sapienza for ten dollars as a standalone and Dribbleondo made a rant video on it + combat glue is dueling with HMF members

 

[huesofmercury]

 

[BetterFuckChuck]

The hitman fanbase is in civil war over the new jeet and foid who do community management fucking up a single question and are now being called fake fans

some quotes:

I’m in the same ballpark of discontent as you are, Drib, but I’m not sure whether I agree that a substantial part of IOI’s refusal to budget on their recent unpopular decisions is down to lack of vocal disgruntlement from the fans.


There has been plenty of fan-generated noise around things like the Connor McGregor association, the Twitch drops (especially the heinous subscription-gated one), and the now shameful and insulting Sapienza episode. But despite catching a lot of heat from fans on these issues the only thing that’s moved the needle was the McGregor controversy, where fears of a backlash that could have been more widely publicised than amongst only the gamer community saw them actually act on any negative feedback.


I genuinely admire and am grateful for your efforts to amplify how much of a disgrace the Sapienza episode is, but until the media outlets with the necessary megaphones actually report on these things I’m not convinced the community can do much more on the noise front.


The C-suite at IOI is seemingly content with whatever financial upside they calculate they’re getting despite taking actions which have tanked all the popularity and goodwill that the IOI of previous times had worked so hard to accumulate, so the only course of action seems left seems to be to hit them in the pocket. A huge miss on Project 007 sales targets would be the just result of all the shit they are pulling now: chat shit, get banged, as they say.


How likely that is to happen, I’m not at all sure though…


(And I’d prefer it not to, because I want the management at IOI to simply DO BETTER, not needlessly continue down a road that’s alienating their loyal fans, who continue to want the best for both IOI and their fellow Hitman players.)

-scat1620

That opening clip from the March livestream stung a little bit. The community ambassador for another game, Prison Architect, is clearly someone who knows the game they are linked with. She relates to her community with how she plays the game and I can even tell you the specific fact that she doesn’t like walls being built in a way that creates double-thickness walls (they look terrible and don’t offer any benefit). That stuck with me, given how many players make that design faux pas. Not to mention, they communicate a lot more!!! And they work for the DLC butcher Paradox Interactive!!!

I can’t say the same for Combatglue/Sparx? Hearing that question, I could immediately tell you that it’s a question about the Hitman 2 bundle of 4 missions. I might have to cut him some slack here, since Clemens was still around when the Author and Patient Zero got added to contracts mode and so such a concept of making a mission “available to make contracts” might sound a little alien. But like, even an educated guess wouldn’t put you down the path of “this is a question about featured contracts”. This might also be completely out of left field but as someone who recognised the name @Fenixsandr as a contract creator, I wouldn’t be giving such a low-brow response of defining the thing that appears on the home page. No clue if I’m asking for much here but I feel like someone who has featured contracts from the contracts thread before would probably learn usernames like Fenix’s, but then again most people aren’t put on the spot by having to answer a question on a live stream. As much as I would want someone who has Hitman as a special interest in that chair, someone like me would probably forget his own name sat there.

On the question itself though, I’d definitely enjoy making contracts on some of these. The snow festival having contracts mode support shows that the mission doesn’t need significant alterations to be viable and so especially the non-Atlantide ones would be good additions to the mode. Also, being a contract creator feels like trying to paint without half the colours sometimes, so something like this could definitely offer more chances at creativity with what I’m hoping isn’t a lot of work. I’d guess that all the special assignments have ID numbers assigned to them that aren’t 99 Hang on, wait. A Bitter Pill definitely has IDs of 99 in the location part of it. Chances are that they probably wouldn’t change that though. All fun and games until that 1/bajillion chance is landed and there’s now two identical IDs for separate missions, lol.

-linux_penguin

 

[Xolanite]

Any dirt on CJ? He’s a Hitman speedrunner. Last I heard of him he had a members only stream and I couldn’t watch it due to being a poorfag.

 

[BetterFuckChuck]

IOI are in hot water, not only are they charging ten dollars for the PS5 edition's PSVR2 port but are going to sell a "Part One VR edition" at 40 dollars - so essentially Hitman 1, plus VR, adding another stupid DLC bundle to the store page. the jeet that does the communications has been MIA for the past month, only responding to a singular DM asking "wtf are you doing" with... explaining the pricing tiers

i cant stand the fucking jeet that does io's communications now. it seems no one else can

constantly bringing up a lack of communication

and a recent livestream revealed how little he knows about the game when he didnt know what Special Assignments are

Any dirt on CJ? He’s a Hitman speedrunner. Last I heard of him he had a members only stream and I couldn’t watch it due to being a poorfag.

CJ has a ton of dirt on him but is too washed up for people to collect it, he got mad at SaintMillion using his strategies at a GDC speedrun - as well as being annoyed saintmillion used cheats during the run (which was an exhibition run)-, he is raising someone else's kid and malded at IOI for not fixing a bug fast (i forget the nature of the big, but it was on one of his million livestreams however he has gotten mad at two other instances of IO not reinstating shoulder swap fast enough and for having the camera gadget not work right so theres a pattern of behavior) enough as well as delisting or privating all his Hitman 2 (201 videos and all his Blood Money speedruns because he didnt like the former game and also didnt want people stealing his strategies

There's a ton of people who dont like the newer hitman games and are kinda lolcows about it. There's a thread about it on HMF including guys like Alex Neidt and Ed ll3. their essential problems were "it didnt have the same mechanics as 2016 did" and "the free content wasnt as good when i didnt have to pay for a new level every month"

the speedrunner Inklbowout did an entire podcast about how much he hated Hitman 2 (the new one), he only played the first two maps, but he privated that. his essential problems were that he didnt like that the maps were too big and the game had bugs. ironically his fave game is hitman 2 (the old one), which he is only able to speedrun due to the bugs it has. he tried this speil again with hitman 3, but no one listened this time:

Also unrelated but:

 

[BetterFuckChuck]

New patch introduced a game-breaking bug and that useless jeet combatglue has ghosted the Hitman Forum, leading them to pin a post shittalking him

talked about on the subreddit too. the guy famously also hasn't played the game so people have been baiting him with fake info

the fanbase reacts their favorite game getting 'jeeted:

Look, our dude has important CoalaTV posts to re-tweet, don’t you know? Samir has his hands full with the real bedrock of a Community Manager’s work.

This is unacceptable. @Combatglue, run it up to whoever is managing the Hitman unit: drop *all* work being done on the game that is not related to fixing things like this until it is fixed. This is beyond ridiculous at this point. They need to stop messing around with things we don’t care about and attend to the actual problems with the game.

Same here and I’m kinda sad we’ve returned to this quarterly roadmap schedule where patches only come every 3-4 months or so…

Which is especially frustrating when we have completely new modes like PSVR2 that apparently have their own issues, bugs and stuff *that would be great to have fixed/improved sooner than later* to not hurt the first impressions of the mode.
(Or other issues in the main Flat game possibly *caused* by the PSVR2 update/changes…?)

[r/PSVR: Hitman PSVR2 Issues that need to be addressed. - Reddit](https://www.reddit.com/r/PSVR/s/1b1ejRauAU)

Already the PSVR community :up_arrow: is coming together to discuss the game and its shortcomings compared to other VR titles/hybrid games and bugs that have appeared so far. But I hope some of this can be fixed in a Playstation patch before June!
@Combatglue

Already, its a great VR mode built upon a stellar game, so it’s awesome to see so much hype and support for it. I just hope there can be some much-needed fixes for it, especially if this same mode’s improvements might jump back to PC again at some point!

Looks like we need to revive this again

As of the newest patch a set of bugs with the ancestral and splitter weapons has led to being unable to progress in Freelancer, meaning the new patch has added a softlock. Unfortunately @combatglue, the only active IOI employee has been gone for a few days now

It’s part of the Job when you’re essentially the face of PR, but this is a given for any PR Job even if undesirables give feedback that isn’t constructive.

Do I agree with how IO has been doing their PR? No, but that’s cause there’s issues with the game that continue to persist into new builds that haven’t been addressed.

While this is one of the issues I have, we’ve also seen a drop in quality when it comes to the Patch Notes, where they’ve become blatantly misleading in some circumstances.

IO should implement a Trello Board for their games for one. For people who don’t know Trello is essentially another way to give information to the community by allowing us to see what bugs they’re investigating, working on fixing, and lastly have a planned fix for. The community having something like this to view is simply another form of communication that shows if IO is aware of the issues and if they will be fixed.

I also think IO should going forward have “Creator Calls “ where they select a group of people apart of this community to distribute information, but also answer questions said creators who make HITMAN and by extension IOI game content that they may have. After these creator calls then said creators can distribute this information on whatever platform that may be.

Lastly, I think IO should look into making a community group that sends out periodically surveys so they can gather information. They can use IOI accounts that we all have and by extension for people enrolled in this who do these surveys can work towards HITMAN Unlock Rewards that are simple reskins to incentivize giving this information to IO.

My point with this is while this Forum is great for getting information, it’s also very dense and there’s a lot to read to get stuff that is constructive to where it’s hard to gather said information in a streamlined fashion. IO implementing these things to improve PR and by extension their relationship between studio and community is something I want.

Hopefully this is taken into consideration by the team over there especially if these multiplayer live service titles are in the future.

 

[BetterFuckChuck]

Jean Claude Van Damme, who appears in the game, has now been accused of having sex with trafficked Romanian women. HMF reacts

 

[huesofmercury]

 

[BetterFuckChuck]

https://www.hitmanforum.com/t/undocumented-change-to-plague-doctor-starting-suit/24088

So recently IOI introduced a suit based off the plague doctor disguise, they recently patched the suit to have different boots from the original and this guy called HitmanDoctor had a shitfit and demanded that they be reverted back to look like the original disguise. The change was made for readability but HitmanDoctor is incredibly mentally ill and obsessed with the Plague Doctor disguise so cant stand the boots being black instead of brown. Noted member of the community Dribbleondo - who literally mods the game and fixes bugs for IO - got banned for arguing with him, even tho HitmanDoctor was insane and saying stuff like "my original post talking about the change got 13 likes which means people dont support the change. The unpaid jannies sided with a nobody who's clearly mentally ill

Plague Doctor as a starting suit acts the same as any ordinary suit 47 has, so it lacks the special interactions of the Plague Doctor disguise. You can’t hide on the stand where the disguise can be found. You also don’t count as trespassing inside the church, if in the starting suit version, but you will count as trespassing if you’re wearing the disguise version.

Those are the differences. Visually, they used to be identical (Brown boots) until the latest patch.

I really don’t see anything weird in a suit being visually the same as it’s disguise counterpart. And no, if I want a disguise as a suit unlock, I want it to look exactly the same, any change has the potential to ruin the look. Super Fan with white gloves or boots, or any color change for that matter would be ruined.

Three reasons why this is a bad idea:

1. **It invites inconsistency to the game.** Having a suit look like an already-existing disguise just open the floodgates for players to suggest other suits that look cool but are restricted because they are disguises normally. If the developers established rules on how they do unlocks early on, they probably shouldn’t break those rules later on, especially for the sakes of a cheap unlock opportunity.
2. **It’s bad form to do so**. I know that sounds a bit toothless to say, but it’s just bad form to take a disguise and then convert it into a suit. To be honest, it’s quite lazy. The least the developers could do is view the original disguise as a template, and get creative to make it evoke the same theme, while also retaining the same general style and flair.
3. **It causes confusion.** You generally want to *avoid* that among players. The more confusion among players you make between the two (the two being in contracts mode, for example), the more it becomes a problem in the fanbase, and it breeds ambiguity, as it has to be repeatedly cleared up. That just shouldn’t need to happen. This is precisely why the Cashmerian was created in H2 to look similar to the disguise of the Kashmerian, but not have all its notable features (No hat or sunglasses). They made it distinct while having the same style, and they pretty much nailed that.

I’ve said this all before, but maybe if I repeat it for the seventh time…

I have to say, I think there is a reason you have to repeat these arguments, because they are all incredibly weak.

1 - Basically the players might ask for more disguises to be made into suits, and the devs will do what they always did, and maybe fulfill some of those requests. So really a non-issue that is somehow being presented as a problem.

2 - The reason people want a suit to look exactly the same as a disguise is because they like that precise look, so instead of trying to be “creative” (By changing the color/adding a random detail) they could just give the players what they want.

3 - I know stupid people exist, but I really don’t see that as a good reason to go against explicit wishes of your fanbase when giving new unlocks.

I don’t think *any* of my arguments in the previous comment were weak. What makes my comments weak then? Were they ad hominem attacks? No. Were they moving goalposts, or misrepresenting the argument. No, they were neither of these things. What calling an argument weak does, is try and discredit one side to add false weight to another, and is actually kind of insulting to the person on the other side of the debate, as it implies you don’t want to take any response in good faith, or even *consider* other possibilities.

And the only person that appears to want the disguise and suit to look identical is…well… you. In fact, this entire discussion has an air of selfishness about it, in that any change would somehow taint it and that it should never be altered. I’m gonna level with you, I don’t think most players would even care if the suits were recoloured to differentiate them between their disguises. When the blue flamingo suit was added in H2, IO pointed out they had to recolor it to purple, to avoid confusion for the pink flamingo disguise. I don’t recall *any* mass uproar about this decision, let-alone a small uproar. And that disguise is probably one of the most iconic disguises in Hitman. Sure, the flamingo disguise is pink, and the suit based on it is purple, but it otherwise has the same look and style, and that’s what mattered to most people.

I think people need to realize that most players don’t actually care if something gets altered, especially if it has a good reason to. And a suit looking identical to a disguise certainly qualifies as a good reason, if nothing else but it’s a pretty logical move to make on their end, they’ve used that same rationale before, and nobody called them out on it.

The developers choosing suit unlocks that were originally disguises is not an issue by itself; the issue stems from them not customizing the items to make them distinct from the thing they’re blatantly copying. That’s…not a non-issue. Of course, nobody can stop players from suggesting these sorts of suits either, but IO can certainly be more choosy and stick to their own rules on disguise inspirations, irrespective of popularity of the idea. This also applies to other community suggested items we’ve had, such as the Durian (which just exacerbates an already-problematic meta) and the Pinot Noir bottle, the latter legitimately confused people as to why it was selected, as it was so mundane and useless. Just because an idea is popular does not make it good to have in the game.

It’s not that stupid people exist, it’s a contingency the devs should stick to, in order to prevent future or further confusion. And even then, calling these people stupid is missing the point. If I wasn’t so well-versed in Hitman logic, I too would probably be quite confused about a suit and a disguise looking the same but acting differently in one level.

And the people who wanted these as unlocks are a small minority of players. If we were talking about Offline Mode or escalations being made available offline, sure I’d agree with you here. But we’re not.

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**TL;DR: Directly importing suit unlocks is problematic, people won’t care if it gets recoloured, and it’s a small minority who do care about this sort of thing anyway.**

i want to second this, other than i think that a recolor/retexture/rework goes too far when for example with the white shadow, the cashmirian, etc. Because people still want the original ninja disguise, the original kashmirian suit etc. because there are elements from the original that you still dont get from the reunlock. whereas the flamingo suit is a perfect recolor

but i definitely think you should be able to tell when a disguise and suit are different, even if it’s just a minor detail. because the distinction between different suits and disguises and between even suits and other suits is an important part of the gameplay systems and ppl need to know about this as they play, no ambiguity

I called your arguments weak because they are weak, that’s all there is to it.

My post has 13 likes, so I’m not completely alone in this, even though you want to misinterpret it that way. Now, I’m not saying you are completely alone in your line of thought either, but the important takeaway is that most of the players don’t care either way, so for them identical suits or recolors are fine, so I don’t think bringing in indifferent people who don’t care either way into the argument is productive.

Also, calling me selfish is kinda ironic, as your desire for every unlock to be a recolor is genuinely the first time ever I saw someone specifically advocate for all unlocks to be recolors, and as someone who occasionally browses other Hitman communities like the one on reddit, I have never seen someone be confused about identical disguises and contracts mode, and people there still ask, to this day, which version of Woa will give them all content, so I think it’s safe to say it’s not because the subreddit is full of geniuses.

> I called your arguments weak because they are weak, that’s all there is to it.

Repeating that my arguments are weak without actually clarifying why they’re weak does not make my arguments weak.

> My post has 13 likes,

Threads being liked happens way more frequently, and I suspect a lot of these likes are to do with people realizing that this suit was changed, not the fact it’s popular and people agree with you on anything you’ve said. It’s also possible people like the change and are just hearting this thread so they can find it again. There’s multiple reasons, not just one.

> so I don’t think bringing in indifferent people who don’t care either way into the argument is productive.

But they’re an example of a part of the userbase? It’d be remiss of me to not mention that subsection? Calling my arguments weak is less productive than anything I’ve said on here, so I’ve no idea how you came to the conclusion that mentioning that most people don’t care is unproductive.

Also, calling me selfish is kinda ironic, as your desire for every unlock to be a recolor is genuinely the first time ever I saw someone specifically advocate for all unlocks to be recolors,

I didn’t say that. I said that suits based on disguises should be altered or recoloured. My point was not that “all unlocks should be recolours”, it’s that “all cosmetic unlocks should be distinct from disguises”.

> I have never seen someone be confused about identical disguises and contracts mode

Again, you’re missing the point. The *possibility* of confusion should not arise in-game.

> people there still ask, to this day, which version of Woa will give them all content

Most of those posts comes from newcomers (or those acting in place of one), not those who are already on /r/Hitman. Same goes for the discord actually.

I wouldn’t use that as an example, considering the people who make those posts won’t have any point of reference for why suits being identical to disguises is probelmatic.

I already explained why your argument is weak in my initial post, with the 3 points below it. However, you chose to interpret it as me trying to discredit your argument, to lift my own, despite me explaining why I think it was a weak argument. The initial comment itself was because I was baffled at your reasonings and apparent surprise not many are loudly supporting you.

The indifferent audience is not a productive argument, as in their indifference, they could get an identical suit, and not care, same thing if they got a recolor. If an argument is whether a disguise should be identical, or a recolor, people who don’t care either way are not going to be useful in resolving that.

That’s all I really have to say about this. And while I won’t say I never agree with you, because that would be untrue, I do often find the things you think are a problem, and your thoughts on them bizarre, to say the least, and it gives a very pseudo-intellectual who thinks they’re always right vibe about you. Maybe you could work on that, but I have a feeling you’ll just say I’m insulting you to prop up my own argument, but alas, it is what it is.

Reason for the different boot colors: to help players differentiate between the suit and the in mission disguise. Granted, they will have to make a mental note of this if they need to keep track for some reason… Such as a troll contract where both suits/disguises are required for different targets. IOI has an obligation to make this differentiation.

PD Suit: enter the Sapienza church. You’re not trespassing (this was how it was when it came out - so I’ll assume this is still the case).

PD obtained from the level: enter the Sapienza church. You are now trespassing.

This would be another way to differentiate them. Or being able to trigger the EE.

You’ll just have to come to terms with reality and IOI’s valid intentions for making the 2 suits different.

If I were right all the time, I wouldn’t be here. Hell, in the past two days I was wrong about something (the reasoning behind the twitch coin being delayed; I thought it was due to server timings, but nope, it really is just a bug on the server).

I already explained why your argument is weak in my initial post, with the 3 points below it.

Considering you also said the following in the later comment:

I called your arguments weak because they are weak, that’s all there is to it.

You can kinda see how I got confused.

And no, your three points did not explain how my arguments were weak. To me at least, they read like responses to my own reasoning, which is fine. But none of them actually touch on anything above that.

Maybe you could work on that, but I have a feeling you’ll just say I’m insulting you to prop up my own argument, but alas, it is what it is.

Firstly, I am actually working on that. I am aware of how my straight-to-the-point and hard-line stance on topics can come off as standoffish and argumentative on forums. I tend to be self-aware enough of my own behaviour and resolve to make periodic changes to my own faults to make myself a better person to be around.

Secondly, stop trying to bait me into insulting you. I’m not falling for it.

I wasn’t going to respond any further as my position is firm and I believe in it, but I just wanted to assure you I was not trying to bait you into insulting me, so I can proceed to play the victim, as again, I still stand behind my stance 100%.

My primary problem is that they weren’t transparent about this change. This just shows they are willing to make changes that could potentially affect the gameplay in the future, while pretending they did nothing.

I can give it a pass this time, because I actually slightly prefer black boots over the brown ones, but the practice of silent changes needs to stop. I want to say that I don’t mind the differences in their function, just their visual identity.

However, ioi are not obligated to change the starting suits in any way. People being confused is unlikely to happen. Many people don’t play featured contracts, or play them rarely. There is also only one mission Plague Doctor (Main Sapienza mission) and Super Fan (Patient Zero Sapienza) appear, making the chance of this happening very low.

Not to forget, that if the player thinks Plague Doctor suit is the same as the disguise, they will try to use it for that purpose regardless, as the robes will likely obscure the boots most of the time. They will probably not realize the suit is visually any different before they make this one time mistake.

What I really want to say, even if the players make this mistake once, it’s fine, they’ll know better next time. It’s strange that you think ioi needs to do this, because it infantilizes the playerbase, and makes it seem that a big part of it are people who have 30 iq and a long term memory of a goldfish (I know that the 3 second memory thing is a myth, buy many people still believe it)

This just shows they are willing to make changes that could potentially affect the gameplay in the future, while pretending they did nothing.

It’s a bit of a stretch to say that these minor cosmetic changes means they’ll make silent gameplay-changes in the future. You’re basically making a slippery slope argument here. Don’t get me wrong, we do tend to get crappy communication (though credit to the team, they are improving), but It’d be a very bad idea to alter the games’ mechanics without telling people. When S/A rules got changed in H2 (twice, actually), they informed people of that, so i’m not sure where this fear stems from exactly.

I can give it a pass this time, because I actually slightly prefer black boots over the brown ones,

*Well that’s all right then!*

However, ioi are not obligated to change the starting suits in any way. People being confused is unlikely to happen. Many people don’t play featured contracts, or play them rarely. There is also only one mission Plague Doctor (Main Sapienza mission) and Super Fan (Patient Zero Sapienza) appear, making the chance of this happening very low.

That possibility shouldn’t exist to begin with! That’s the point!

It’s strange that you think ioi needs to do this, because it infantilizes the playerbase, and makes it seem that a big part of it are people who have 30 iq and a long term memory of a goldfish

The developers should take care of their game to avoid these possibilities, however niche, because it can become a problem later on. A developer taking care of their game is not infantilizing their user base, it’s the basic standard, and the developers taking action on any problematic aspect of the game, would show that they’re on top of problems and are willing to solve them. It is madness to suggest that the developers working on their game so everything remains consistent with their past unlocks and rules would coddle their userbase.

your post has 13 likes partly because it was a scoop that they changed the boots. that’s a bit of a fallacy to say that everyone liked it because they agreed with you that the disguise shouldnt have been changed, you could just as easily say they liked it because they AGREE with the change

“So I’m not completely alone in this” The second part of my comment indicates that I’m already aware of this split in reasons people would like my post, and was made because I was accused of being selfish, and that nobody wanted what I wanted, which even with other reasons to like my post, is still untrue.

I even acknowledged that there are people agreeing with the person telling me I’m selfish, so it wasn’t a popularity contest, more of a reminder that it’s not only me who wants visually identical suits/disguises.

Not sure why you’re responding now, as you can see in another comment of mine that the debate is over. Everyone presented their arguments, nobody changed each other’s mind, so it’s pointless to discus further.

“So I’m not completely alone in this” The second part of my comment indicates that I’m already aware of this split in reasons people would like my post,

You’re clearly using the indication of how many likes you got on the thread to try and push the fallacious logic that people are agreeing with you. You are retroactively finding meanings to your past behaviour to get yourself out of deep water.

I even acknowledged that there are people agreeing with the person telling me I’m selfish

I didn’t call you selfish. Not sure why you’re repeatedly saying that. I think my words were:

this entire discussion has an air of selfishness about it,

…and that was about the logic you used, not you personally. In fact, here’s what I wrote immediately afterwards:

in that any change would somehow taint it and that it should never be altered.

You decided to take it personally.

Not sure why you’re responding now, as you can see in another comment of mine that the debate is over. Everyone presented their arguments, nobody changed each other’s mind, so it’s pointless to discus further.

Do you know what I dislike the most about discussions online? People using logical fallacies in arguments to try and validate their own writing, and people who know they’re in a losing argument trying to end a conversation early in the hopes of stopping deeper discussion points that might further disprove their arguments. Oh, and people who try to armchair-psychoanalysis someone based on past comments, and then calling their past takes bizarre in the hopes that it makes them less believable in the current discussion, as well as potentially future ones. It was completely irrelevant to the discussion.

And all this is all because of a suit getting recoloured and being annoyed at not being the same as the disguise. Jesus Christ on a bicycle…

And I thought I was bad for being in pointless arguments.

I still stand by my opinion, and find your position and subsequent arguments lacking. I guess you could write another long winded reply acting like all my arguments are personal attacks, logical fallacies, etc… while yours are not, but I honestly don’t understand what’s the point. I’m willing to accept we can’t change each other’s minds on this, why can’t you? (This is a rhetorical question, please do not actually answer this)

Do you know what I dislike the most about discussions online? People using logical fallacies in arguments to try and validate their own writing, and people who know they’re in a losing argument trying to end a conversation early in the hopes of stopping deeper discussion points that might further disprove their arguments. Oh, and people who try to armchair-psychoanalysis someone based on past comments, and then calling their past takes bizarre in the hopes that it makes them less believable in the current discussion, as well as potentially future ones. It was completely irrelevant to the discussion.

I feel called out.

Drawing back to the original topic of this thread, have you (HitmanDoctor) noticed any other changes to the suit? Because I seem to remember some other coloration being changed at one point without any announcement about it. It was something pretty minor though (if there even was a change), so I didn’t feel the need to mention it anywhere. I think it may have been something with the pouches on the belt? Or maybe the belt itself?

(Or anyone really, I’m just asking them because they already posted about one change.)

Personally, I can’t confirm if there were any other changes, though it is possible. Tbh,while initially I liked the black boots slightly more, when I see the brown gloves that don’t match with the boots, it kinda ruins the suit for me. Legitimately changed my default starting suit on Sapienza because of it.

Hopefully someone from ioi sees this and reverts it next patch, because nobody had any problems with the suit for over 4 months, despite some people expressing their concerns about it.

And transparency about any changes to suits is a must from now on. We get spelling mistakes being fixed as part of the patch notes, suit alterations definitely seem like a more important thing than that, so we should be made aware of them.

idk why dribbleondo gets a timeout for disagreeing with a completely insane premise but you didnt get anything despite being less known in the community and less beloved and also just being wrong

Hopefully someone from ioi sees this and reverts it next patch, because nobody had any problems with the suit for over 4 months, despite some people expressing their concerns about it.

because this is a self contradiction and also a very stupid suggestion. asking them to revert a change because the boots contradict the color of the gloves, to have less QoL for the purpose of some weird OCD is loser behavior and very typical of this forum. it’s just got less and less sane the more IOI ignores it

i hope whoever gave drib a ban really felt like they earned their 0$/hr, as if there’s any response to “I got 13 likes therefore I should be listened to” other than “you’re fucking nuts”

Not sure if you’re specifically referring to the plague doctor

any other changes to the suit?

Silly Anthony.

And transparency about any changes to suits is a must from now on. We get spelling mistakes being fixed as part of the patch notes, suit alterations definitely seem like a more important thing than that, so we should be made aware of them.

I’m pretty sure it was not an intentional change, much like what happened with the Mascot disguise and Blue Flamingo suit, along with the changes to the Gunther Miller and Race Marshal disguises, oh and the Snorkel Instructor disguise. Also, also, let’s not forget the whole sunglasses thing during the Season of the Disruptor.

You get the idea, IOI messes up a suit/disguise or two every so often. I do wonder how they caused this change though, I don’t think those boots are used in any other outfits. If anyone knows of another suit/disguise/NPC’s outfit that uses them, feel free to prove me wrong though.

it clearly is intentional because i brought it up in my DMs with combatglue

also they still hate the community manager: https://www.hitmanforum.com/t/ios-communication-with-the-community/21538/291