The Holocaust Thread - The Great Debate Between Affirmers, Revisionists and Deniers

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Truly strange how we cracked the German codes and yet have no evidence to support any of that through any communications.

We do however have commemorative currency and pictures of the Auschwitz swim team.

Oh and by the way, the amount of coking coal needed to bake that many people would be visible by any spy plane, many of which passed over Auschwitz and other camps.

It's interesting that every single death camp was located in the Soviet zone of occupation.

Due to Allied bombing of shipping lines, most of Germany was starving. Would you rather feed a prisoner or your son?


Why set up the camps at all? If the goal is genocide just send death squads house by house and it's over.

Camps don't equal ethnic cleansing, and you've conveniently ignored any detail which might support any theory that counters the narrative.
Again, I don't really give a shit about whether the holocaust happened or not, I already told you I know I won't change your opinion on Auschwitz, Dachau and Treblinka being wholesome labor camps because it's a complete waste of time - You are not interested in finding the truth as much as you are in using the holocaust as a political tool against jews in the same way jews do it. Just be congruent with your discourse instead of jumping from "killing is bad" to "jews are literally vermin and incompatible with european society and our lord and saviour Hitler knew it but none of this happened and he didn't have the intention of killing them btw".
 
Again, I don't really give a shit about whether the holocaust happened or not, I already told you I know I won't change your opinion on Auschwitz, Dachau and Treblinka being wholesome labor camps because it's a complete waste of time - You are not interested in finding the truth as much as you are in using the holocaust as a political tool against jews in the same way jews do it. Just be congruent with your discourse instead of jumping from "killing is bad" to "jews are literally vermin and incompatible with european society and our lord and saviour Hitler knew it but none of this happened and he didn't have the intention of killing them btw".
Jews are a foreign ethnic group. Their leaders caused significant trouble in Germany and across the world. Hitler arrested and executed the leaders he could wrangle before they fled, and prepared the average Jew for deportation.

Then the war broke out and deportation became impossible.

You have fundamentally misunderstood the problem and have made Jews a monolithic entity in your mind. The average Jew, even Rabbi is not a dangerous or bad person and certainly does not deserve death. This was the understanding at the time.

Jewish ideological converts to National Socialism were common and even served in the Wehrmacht in the hundreds of thousands.

It was politically convenient for the Soviets to invent a genocide and start executing captured German leaders because of it.

If Hitler wanted the Jews dead they would all be dead and we wouldn't have millions of "survivors".
 
Jews are a foreign ethnic group. Their leaders caused significant trouble in Germany and across the world. Hitler arrested and executed the leaders he could wrangle before they fled, and prepared the average Jew for deportation.

Then the war broke out and deportation became impossible.

You have fundamentally misunderstood the problem and have made Jews a monolithic entity in your mind. The average Jew, even Rabbi is not a dangerous or bad person and certainly does not deserve death. This was the understanding at the time.

Jewish ideological converts to National Socialism were common and even served in the Wehrmacht in the hundreds of thousands.

It was politically convenient for the Soviets to invent a genocide and start executing captured German leaders because of it.

If Hitler wanted the Jews dead they would all be dead and we wouldn't have millions of "survivors".
I don't know if you realize just how intelectually bankrupt your arguments are.

1. Ok
2. Other way around. War made it easier because borders vanished, rail lines expanded, law collapsed. The regime had full control of Eastern Europe and no accountability. They didn’t have to negotiate anything. They just moved populations like freight and they did.
3. You accuse people of treating Jews as one bloc, then call them a foreign bloc. Either they were integrated or they weren’t. Pick one. You can’t say they caused mass societal collapse and that most were harmless citizens. That contradiction is the hole in your entire worldview. You can’t even define your enemy without contradicting yourself.
4. They weren't, you are making shit up. The fact that second or third generation jews were allowed into the army doesn't mean they were readily accepted. Most of them got purged as the war dragged on, the party line was always racial purity, just look at how Emil Maurice had to maniobrate around the SS. You're rewriting policy from a Telegram meme.
5. They would have killed them all with or without a genocide. Are you telling me the evil jewish bolshevik christian murderers really needed to invent a genocide to justify hanging the leadership of the country that waged war against them for 4 years?
6. So which is it? Did the war make extermination impossible, or would they all be dead if Hitler really meant it? You’re playing both sides.
 
2. Other way around. War made it easier because borders vanished, rail lines expanded, law collapsed. The regime had full control of Eastern Europe and no accountability. They didn’t have to negotiate anything. They just moved populations like freight and they did.
Internal movement of ethnic minorities is not the same as deporting ethnic groups to places controlled by your wartime enemy.
3. You accuse people of treating Jews as one bloc, then call them a foreign bloc. Either they were integrated or they weren’t. Pick one. You can’t say they caused mass societal collapse and that most were harmless citizens. That contradiction is the hole in your entire worldview. You can’t even define your enemy without contradicting yourself.
Jewish people are not Germans. They were not integrated. The average Jew was not dangerous but still not welcome. Their leaders were dangerous and either fled or were executed.

Jews are not German and do not belong in Germany. Every culture deserves its own home.
4. They weren't, you are making shit up. The fact that second or third generation jews were allowed into the army doesn't mean they were readily accepted. Most of them got purged as the war dragged on,

You've never looked into any of this, you're just making assumptions because you played Wolfenstein a few times.

the party line was always racial purity, just look at how Emil Maurice had to maniobrate around the SS. You're rewriting policy from a Telegram meme.

Last I checked Indians aren't white.
5. They would have killed them all with or without a genocide. Are you telling me the evil jewish bolshevik christian murderers really needed to invent a genocide to justify hanging the leadership of the country that waged war against them for 4 years?

The Nuremberg trials had to be based on SOMETHING. You can't just have a show trial with no allegations.

Also, does Germany not still pay reparations to Israel? German flags are not hung by German citizens for fear of reprisals. German grandmothers are put in prison for speech. Germans are not allowed to speak negatively of niggers raping their family members. AfD politicians are surveilled by the state and fear for their lives and safety.

Pretty effective founding myth for a cucked ZOGstate.

6. So which is it? Did the war make extermination impossible, or would they all be dead if Hitler really meant it? You’re playing both sides.
Loaded question. Genocide was never planned and did not occur. If it was enacted we wouldn't see survivors or nearly as many. Are you trolling or do you have dyslexia?
 
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Internal movement of ethnic minorities is not the same as deporting ethnic groups to places controlled by your wartime enemy.
1. That would make sense if they’d deported Jews to London. But they didn’t. They deported them east, into territories they controlled: Poland, Ukraine, Belarus, the Baltics. These weren’t “enemy zones.” Treblinka wasn’t in Soviet hands. Neither was Sobibor. Neither was Birkenau.
2. So they are a single incompatible bloc, got it. Which one is it? Are Jews “not dangerous,” or are they the secret cabal behind Germany’s collapse? Either they’re a threat, or they’re just guests overstaying their welcome. You can’t frame them as harmless outsiders and global manipulators in the same breath.
3. Jewish descent is not the same as being jewish dummy. Funny how Haaretz and latimes somehow isn't jewish zogged subversive propaganda when it's proving your point. Just read actual Wehrmacht policies. What you call “Jewish soldiers” were Mischlinge: quarter- or half-Jews with special permits, and most were forced out the moment the bureaucracy caught up.
4. ??? What do pajeets serving for Hitler prove here? Or are you just trying to force the multicultural reich meme?
5. lmao the whole soviet judiciary system didn't really give a fuck about that, socialist law puts all the burden of proof on the part being accused + they were hunting the same people they were at war with. This isn’t the Hague in 1998 we’re talking about. This is the USSR. The same regime that purged its own officers, peasants, poets, generals, and party loyalists in show trials based on forced confessions and fabricated charges. You really think Stalin sat there wringing his hands like, “Oh no, if only we had documentary proof of German war crimes, then we could hang Göring”?

I won't answer to the rest because it's victimizing cuckoldry that has nothing to do with the original point. Yes, Germany is zogged, yes, it's the fault of the jews, no, it has absolutely nothing to do with what I said.

6. That’s not a loaded question. It’s a demand for internal coherence. You say it couldn’t have happened because there were survivors. Then you say it didn’t happen because the war made it impossible. Those are two mutually exclusive excuses. Which one do you want to defend?
Are you retarded, that is the exact opposite of the effect war has
Under wartime logic, resources aren’t allocated to comfort, they’re allocated to utility. Do you really think the people in concentration camps were getting fed 3 meals a day under cozy conditions? They were working in labor that was useful for the german war efforts.
 
Under wartime logic, resources aren’t allocated to comfort, they’re allocated to utility. Do you really think the people in concentration camps were getting fed 3 meals a day under cozy conditions? They were working in labor that was useful for the german war efforts.
I was referencing the deportations part of your post which you can see by the handy quote widget showing you which part of your most I was responding to

Borders are never more impermeable than when a nation is at war. That is the absolute worst time to try to deport millions of people and is going to be practically impossible.
 
I was referencing the deportations part of your post which you can see by the handy quote widget showing you which part of your most I was responding to

Borders are never more impermeable than when a nation is at war. That is the absolute worst time to try to deport millions of people and is going to be practically impossible.
I’m not sure if we’re understanding the term deportation in the same way. I am talking about moving people you already controlled from one part of your occupied territory to another. By force, on your own trains, to your own camps. This is exactly the same thing that happened to a lot of the germans that got ethnically cleansed in Poland and the Sudetenland, it also happened to the ethnic minorities Stalin saw as a threat, both happening during war time because they were able to mobilize more resources. It's not that hard when you have full control of the territories and are willing to apply extremely coercive measures for compliance, I don't know exactly what point you are trying to make here.
 
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I’m not sure if we’re understanding the term deportation in the same way. I am talking about moving people you already controlled from one part of your occupied territory to another. By force, on your own trains, to your own camps. This is exactly the same thing that happened to a lot of the germans that got ethnically cleansed in Poland and the Sudetenland, it also happened to the ethnic minorities Stalin saw as a threat, both happening during war time because they were able to mobilize more resources. It's not that hard when you have full control of the territories and are willing to apply extremely coercive measures for compliance, I don't know exactly what point you are trying to make here.
You have a Jew problem and need to deport them. Ethnic cleansing is a PR issue and you've already rounded them up anyway.

Do you leave them in camps or make a brilliant plan to magically cut and paste them into Allied-controlled Jerusalem?

And yes, it had to be into Allied territory. Why? Name what territories Germany had outside of Europe. Hell even if they had any, shipping the Jews en masse would have been suicidal. It's one thing to send Shekelwitz & Sons from Austria to Slovakia, but how do you get the whole tribe all the way to Madagascar in between the daily air raids?

Besides, any non European lands they could have even reached would have been frontline combat. It'd be a propaganda nightmare with the imagery of "Jewish families used as human shields" and whatnot just like today in Gaza.

As a side note large swathes of the camp populations weren't Jewish, these were general incarceration camps so pluralities of their populations were Volksdeutsche and ineligible for deportation. Communists, liberals, homosexuals, transvestites, child molesters, rapists, murderers, etc were all housed there.

They were large scale hastily build internment camps not unlike Bukele's CECOT, created to immediately remove antisocial elements from normal society. As Bukele fully eliminated gang activity, Hitler fully eliminated uncountable social ills with a single stroke of his pen.

1. That would make sense if they’d deported Jews to London. But they didn’t. They deported them east, into territories they controlled: Poland, Ukraine, Belarus, the Baltics. These weren’t “enemy zones.” Treblinka wasn’t in Soviet hands. Neither was Sobibor. Neither was Birkenau.
Are you trolling or actually dyslexic?
Did you switch from talking about camps to deportation? You know those aren't the same things right?

Where the fuck do you think they wanted the Jews to go? I'm pretty sure Belarus wasn't designated as the Jewish homeland.

2. So they are a single incompatible bloc, got it. Which one is it? Are Jews “not dangerous,” or are they the secret cabal behind Germany’s collapse? Either they’re a threat, or they’re just guests overstaying their welcome. You can’t frame them as harmless outsiders and global manipulators in the same breath.
Do you want it in crayon?

Rothschild & Sons are war criminals.
Average Jew not bad but stinky.
German has a right to his own homeland.
Jew not German, Jew get out.
3. Jewish descent is not the same as being jewish dummy. Funny how Haaretz and latimes somehow isn't jewish zogged subversive propaganda when it's proving your point. Just read actual Wehrmacht policies. What you call “Jewish soldiers” were Mischlinge: quarter- or half-Jews with special permits, and most were forced out the moment the bureaucracy caught up.
Yeah, uh, in 1944-1945 when Hitler finally dismissed the Jewish general staff members himself, because that's "the moment the bureaucracy caught up" or something.

Yeah dude, totally.

4. ??? What do pajeets serving for Hitler prove here? Or are you just trying to force the multicultural reich meme?
The fact you're kind of dead to rights wrong. Literally one sentence ago you were hammering on racial purity, now you're pretending I'm a schizo for pointing out the NIGGERS in his army.

Which Aryan racial purity tests would black people pass?

5. lmao the whole soviet judiciary system didn't really give a fuck about that, socialist law puts all the burden of proof on the part being accused + they were hunting the same people they were at war with. This isn’t the Hague in 1998 we’re talking about. This is the USSR. The same regime that purged its own officers, peasants, poets, generals, and party loyalists in show trials based on forced confessions and fabricated charges. You really think Stalin sat there wringing his hands like, “Oh no, if only we had documentary proof of German war crimes, then we could hang Göring”?

The Nuremberg Trials had American judges. This isn't about the Soviet judiciary, this is about having a believable allegation. If you just show up with the facts and logic of "I don't like them, all get hanged" the other justices are going to be slack-jawed.

It wasn't a fair court by far, but you hang nobody if the judges expect you to have an allegation of any wrongdoing. The best you'll get is "waging a war of aggression" which was like a 15 year offense. The point of the trial is basically moot because it turned out your evil mortal enemy was actually a normal fucking guy.

Get bent nigger.
 
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You have a Jew problem and need to deport them. Ethnic cleansing is a PR issue and you've already rounded them up anyway.

Do you leave them in camps or make a brilliant plan to magically cut and paste them into Allied-controlled Jerusalem?
You don't need a “brilliant” plan. You just need what every regime that's done mass population removal had:
  1. Control of the area,
  2. Willingness to use force, and
  3. Somewhere to dump people.
For example, the Ottomans didn't “cut and paste” Armenians into enemy-controlled territory, they walked them into the desert and let them die. Stalin didn’t “cut and paste” the Volga Germans into safe zones, he just shoved them into Siberia with minimal logistics and high mortality. Neither needed Jerusalem, nor did they care about PR.

In fact, why would they even care about PR when they were already extremely demonized? It's not Nick Fuentes trying to keep his optics up lmao, I don't think the aryan empire "liberating" half of Europe cared about that, especially not after conquering Poland and getting framed as war mongers.

If Nazi Germany truly just wanted deportation, they could have dumped Jews in the Pripet Marshes, in occupied Ukraine, or in the vast, depopulated parts of Belarus, no international border needed. Just eastbound trains and cleared ghettos. Oh wait, they did that, but oddly enough, not to nowhere. Not to be dropped off in abandoned villages or scattered forests. No, they were sent to very specific, heavily guarded locations, with infrastructure, fences, barracks, and administrative personnel all for the purpose of... Redeeming them through the power of hard manual labor of course!

So let’s get this straight: they were a threat, but not a threat worth executing; foreign, but worth transporting long-distance; unfit for German society, but somehow ideal for menial labor under armed guard. They weren’t fit to live in Berlin but somehow necessary to carry logs in Galicia. That’s your position? Seems like a really convoluted use of trains and personnel just to temporarily displace people you’ve already decided to remove, but maybe I should stop noticing things.
And yes, it had to be into Allied territory. Why? Name what territories Germany had outside of Europe. Hell even if they had any, shipping the Jews en masse would have been suicidal. It's one thing to send Shekelwitz & Sons from Austria to Slovakia, but how do you get the whole tribe all the way to Madagascar in between the daily air raids?
So what you're saying is: the grand imperial Germany waging it's holy war, with its legendary logistical efficiency, couldn’t manage a relocation plan… but the jewish bolsheviks, who were half-starving and under siege, could deport whole ethnic groups across 5,000 kilometers of steppe?

Again, you’re imagining deportation like it’s a humanitarian operation. It’s not. You don’t need a ship to Madagascar. You need to throw people into a section of Poland, Ukraine, or the Baltics, and let attrition do the rest. This is exactly what Stalin did with Crimean Tatars and Chechens and in the middle of WWII nonetheless. No ships, no propaganda campaigns, no Allied permission. Just trains and cold.
Besides, any non European lands they could have even reached would have been frontline combat. It'd be a propaganda nightmare with the imagery of "Jewish families used as human shields" and whatnot just like today in Gaza.
Againt, you are fucking worried about propaganda optics of all things? Do you really think WWII operated under 21st century information warfare logic? You really think the regime that ran Einsatzgruppen death squads, published Der Stürmer, and bombed London, Rotterdam and Warsaw indiscriminately was concerned about how it would look? If deporting people was a PR nightmare, nobody told Goebbels because he was busy writing speeches about the cleansing of Europe and airing radio programs about jews as internal enemies.

Propaganda concerns emerge when you're at the mercy of someone else's camera, not when you own the cameras, the microphones, and the borders. Same logic jews apply with Palestine, they own most big media outlets and so they were able to portray the war as a conflict of equals during the 80s, 90s and the beginning of the century but with the advent of social media it has become so untenable they need to make absurd mental gymnastics to justify killing thousands of palestinian children and now have actually switching to an actively belligerent masks-off speech especially after the arrival of Trump.
 
For example, the Ottomans didn't “cut and paste” Armenians into enemy-controlled territory, they walked them into the desert and let them die. Stalin didn’t “cut and paste” the Volga Germans into safe zones, he just shoved them into Siberia with minimal logistics and high mortality. Neither needed Jerusalem, nor did they care about PR.
Ok but Armenia is like right there. Siberia was a part of the Soviet Union. Also the Armenians actually died. That was the point, it was a genocide. Why load millions of people into camps and feed them if you want ethnic cleansing? Does that make any sense to you?

In fact, why would they even care about PR when they were already extremely demonized? It's not Nick Fuentes trying to keep his optics up lmao, I don't think the aryan empire "liberating" half of Europe cared about that, especially not after conquering Poland and getting framed as war mongers.
"Yeah we're just straight eliminating ethnic groups now" does not go over well.

Hitler's peace overtures were widely known to the German public. It was framed as a reluctant war for self preservation, not conquest. Bulldozing your enemies then kicking their minorities while they're down looks really bad to your base supporters who thought it was all for their safety.

If Nazi Germany truly just wanted deportation, they could have dumped Jews in the Pripet Marshes, in occupied Ukraine, or in the vast, depopulated parts of Belarus, no international border needed. Just eastbound trains and cleared ghettos. Oh wait, they did that, but oddly enough, not to nowhere. Not to be dropped off in abandoned villages or scattered forests. No, they were sent to very specific, heavily guarded locations, with infrastructure, fences, barracks, and administrative personnel all for the purpose of... Redeeming them through the power of hard manual labor of course!
I'm not even addressing this. That entire paragraph is word salad constructed from a complete nonunderstanding of the point of kicking the Jews out of Europe.

Your knowledge of history blows chunks and you should read more.

So let’s get this straight: they were a threat, but not a threat worth executing; foreign, but worth transporting long-distance; unfit for German society, but somehow ideal for menial labor under armed guard. They weren’t fit to live in Berlin but somehow necessary to carry logs in Galicia. That’s your position? Seems like a really convoluted use of trains and personnel just to temporarily displace people you’ve already decided to remove, but maybe I should stop noticing things.

Yes, continue arguing about shit I never said.

So what you're saying is: the grand imperial Germany waging it's holy war, with its legendary logistical efficiency, couldn’t manage a relocation plan… but the jewish bolsheviks, who were half-starving and under siege, could deport whole ethnic groups across 5,000 kilometers of steppe?
The relocation plan was made. It was for out of Europe. Why would they kick the Jews out of their house only to put them on their porch?

Again, you’re imagining deportation like it’s a humanitarian operation. It’s not. You don’t need a ship to Madagascar. You need to throw people into a section of Poland, Ukraine, or the Baltics, and let attrition do the rest. This is exactly what Stalin did with Crimean Tatars and Chechens and in the middle of WWII nonetheless. No ships, no propaganda campaigns, no Allied permission. Just trains and cold.
Yeah you kind of do. Otherwise it is an actual genocide. Actual genocide tends to make the homefront not like you.

Againt, you are fucking worried about propaganda optics of all things? Do you really think WWII operated under 21st century information warfare logic? You really think the regime that ran Einsatzgruppen death squads, published Der Stürmer, and bombed London, Rotterdam and Warsaw indiscriminately was concerned about how it would look? If deporting people was a PR nightmare, nobody told Goebbels because he was busy writing speeches about the cleansing of Europe and airing radio programs about jews as internal enemies.
Read my above post. Homefront has to believe the war is justified. Remember their homes were bombed too.

Propaganda concerns emerge when you're at the mercy of someone else's camera, not when you own the cameras, the microphones, and the borders. Same logic jews apply with Palestine, they own most big media outlets and so they were able to portray the war as a conflict of equals during the 80s, 90s and the beginning of the century but with the advent of social media it has become so untenable they need to make absurd mental gymnastics to justify killing thousands of palestinian children and now have actually switching to an actively belligerent masks-off speech especially after the arrival of Trump.
2x.

Your method of argumentation is to delete or ignore context, then frame it as total victory. This works in your mind, because you are obviously 100% correct and I am obviously 100% wrong.

Let it go. Crack open a book or something, I'm not your mother.

I'll respond to your final point from a few posts ago that I missed.
6. That’s not a loaded question. It’s a demand for internal coherence. You say it couldn’t have happened because there were survivors. Then you say it didn’t happen because the war made it impossible. Those are two mutually exclusive excuses. Which one do you want to defend?
The Holocaust as a genocide does not make logical sense on its surface, because there are so many survivors. There are records of people being born at Auschwitz and Treblinka and other "death camps".

The deportations they were preparing to enact could not have happened due to the war. The planned deportation zones were Israel and Madagascar, both under hostile enemy control.

This made the deportations impossible, but does not make genocide the only logical conclusion.
 
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There is a science fiction story, by Asimov (heh, a jew, yeh, I know, the irony) where the plot device is a machine that can peer into the past at arbitrary locations and arbitrary points in time. Never mind the direction of the story, but what if such a device could and did exist in the real world? What if such a device was simple enough that no one could keep it from people like us, and anyone could really see what happened during the so-called Holocaust?

Would we discover that, more or less, it proceeded along the lines of the official narrative? That Nazis deliberately genocided millions of jews? Sure, there might be minor differences in details that no one considered significant, but that their point remained essentially true?

Or, would we discover that it's a gigantic urban myth (or even a deliberate hoax)? That jews weren't massacred to any great degree? Would we be able to follow the creation of that urban myth, as some mangy jew newly "liberated" from a camp just made up shitty lies because he thought that everyone wanted to hear it and that he'd be a good jew and embellish a little? Ten thousand jews all embellishing, trying to outdo each other with tall tales, and a British/American intelligence apparatus that did not care if they were lies or truth that just saw that "testimony" as useful propaganda? Would we discover that all the old jews who would have known them to be lies died having raised their own families telling them the stories as if true, until we have a jewish population today that genuinely believe in the nonsense?

How would that all go down if the latter? There'd be no denying the true history at that point. There'd be these half-hearted attempts at apologism... the jews were so traumatized that of course they fabricated these horror stories. They were so scared, that the exaggerations felt real. That while this one jew knew he himself was lying, he was just trying to back up other jews whom he believed to be telling the truth. That even if they were lies, they were lies trying to protect the jewish people who though they hadn't been wronged this one time, in earlier eras they had been massacred and expelled (at least for the few days it'd take for people to dial back the date and generate the 1.21 jiggawatts).

For those who want to play along, honestly how do you think such a revelation would shake the world? Do your best to be reasonable... even with real evidence, uncontrivertible evidence, it doesn't mean people will react the way you'd want them to react. But they're not always absolutely stupid either, so it doesn't mean that they'd necessarily react in the ways you wouldn't want them to, either.
 
They were large scale hastily build internment camps not unlike Bukele's CECOT, created to immediately remove antisocial elements from normal society. As Bukele fully eliminated gang activity, Hitler fully eliminated uncountable social ills with a single stroke of his pen.
You're comparing 1940s Europe to a 2020s Latin American gang prison, that alone tells me you have no grasp of historical scale, population logistics, or wartime governance. Bukele didn’t move half the country, didn’t shut down international rail lines, and didn’t declare half the population biologically unfit to exist in society.
Did you switch from talking about camps to deportation? You know those aren't the same things right?
No, I didn’t, you did. Deportation and camps are unsurprisingly linked processes. You don’t deport someone to nowhere. You deport them towards something, and I am pretty sure the “something” in this case wasn’t a border drop-off.
Do you want it in crayon?

Rothschild & Sons are war criminals.
Average Jew not bad but stinky.
German has a right to his own homeland.
Jew not German, Jew get out.
Thanks for confirming the contradiction. If the average Jew is “not bad” but must be expelled because of their bloodline, then you’re no longer talking about behavior, you’re talking about metaphysics. And I wouldn't have a problem if you were arguing from a clear, coherent metaphysical framework, like a strict idealist or traditionalist worldview that recognizes essence over action (Evola for instance), blood over will, I’d at least respect the consistency. But you're not doing that. This is my whole fucking issue, I don't give a shit about whether you believe Schlomo Goldstein got killed or not so you can deny him his elohim given right of forcing Germany to pay reparations for the holocaust for the next 2000 years - JUST BE CONSISTENT ABOUT YOUR BELIEFS.

You’re appealing to modern post-rationalist morality when it’s convenient: “the Jews were bad, they corrupted Weimar, they ruined banking, they are actually the evil racist anti-christians opposed to the ultimate good or european values” but then you pivot to a racial essentialism that doesn't actually care if a Jew is good, bad, assimilated, or apolitical. You want to expel based on birth, not crime, and yet you justify it using behavioral accusations. That’s a category error.

Either you believe in blood, and only blood, in which case Rothschild and the “stinky average Jew” are equally guilty by nature and then you should stop pretending there's a behavioral justification. Or, you believe in individual responsibility, in which case you're forced to distinguish between “good Jews” and “bad Jews,” at which point your mass expulsion fantasy becomes impossible to justify.
Yeah, uh, in 1944-1945 when Hitler finally dismissed the Jewish general staff members himself, because that's "the moment the bureaucracy caught up" or something.

Yeah dude, totally.
Thank you for making my point. If Jewish-descended soldiers or officers were purged in 1944, that proves racial purity wasn’t ignored, instead it was enforced as soon as the regime had time to comb through records. It wasn’t tolerance. It was triage. The Nazis delayed enforcement because they were getting fucked in every single front.

And I have news for you: that’s a problem for you, not me. Because if the Nazi state was letting known Mischlinge operate in high command roles up to 1944, then either;
  1. Their ideology was full of holes, or
  2. Their war priorities were more important than their racial doctrine.
Either way, it demolishes your earlier “Hitler solved the problem with a stroke of the pen” line. Apparently, that pen ran out of ink until Kursk lmao.
The fact you're kind of dead to rights wrong. Literally one sentence ago you were hammering on racial purity, now you're pretending I'm a schizo for pointing out the NIGGERS in his army.

Which Aryan racial purity tests would black people pass?
So let’s get this straight: one sentence ago, you were jerking off over ethnic purity (muh everyone deserves dey homeland and sheeeit), bragging about how Hitler heroically cleansed the Fatherland from "social ills" with the stroke of the pen, and now you're proudly pointing out how his armies had Muslims, Indians, Slavs, and fucking NIGGERS in uniform.

Pick one. Either racial essence matters or it doesn’t. If blood defines identity, if a jew is a jew no matter how loyal, how assimilated, how useful, then a Congolese Waffen-SS volunteer is still a jungle nigger, no matter how well he holds a rifle. But here you are, now celebrating the “diversity” of the Wehrmacht like some twisted affirmative action program for Third World fascists, you sound like a liberal NGO bragging about minority representation in government but with more jackboots and that's what fucking annoys me.

So what is it? Does race determine belonging? Because if that’s your line, then sorry for you but your foreign volunteers are racial pollutants. They're not proof of strength. They're proof of collapse according to your same logic.

The Nuremberg Trials had American judges. This isn't about the Soviet judiciary, this is about having a believable allegation. If you just show up with the facts and logic of "I don't like them, all get hanged" the other justices are going to be slack-jawed.

It wasn't a fair court by far, but you hang nobody if the judges expect you to have an allegation of any wrongdoing. The best you'll get is "waging a war of aggression" which was like a 15 year offense. The point of the trial is basically moot because it turned out your evil mortal enemy was actually a normal fucking guy.

Get bent nigger.
Alright, fine, you are right, this is not about the soviet judiciary as much as it is about their fabrication of the crimes so they could get their allies to believe them. So let's say it was all fabricated. The Soviets, in the middle of rebuilding a collapsed industrial base, reabsorbing half of Eastern Europe, suppressing armed uprisings in Ukraine and the Baltics, and preparing for Cold War escalation, somehow found time to forge millions of pages of German-language documentation, construct entire fake camps with rail spurs and barbed wire, invent SS personnel rosters, fake the testimony of German generals, and coach witnesses in five languages, all while convincing the U.S. and Britain to play along in a court staffed by judges with no reason to trust them.

Let’s also assume Stalin, Churchill, Roosevelt, and every military tribunal judge in Nuremberg collectively said: “Hey, instead of just shooting these guys for wrecking half of Europe and starting (or getting provoked into, whatever) the deadliest war in human history, let’s invent a genocide for style points so our jewish masters can have control of the world”

You realize how monumentally retarded that is, right? Please tell me I am just going crazy and this somehow makes complete sense or help me rationalize it because maybe I have missed really important parts of the story.

You're telling me Stalin, whose whole regime ran on purges and paranoia, sat there and thought, "No no no, this time we need to make it look legit, let’s forge millions of documents in different languages, pay off the Americans, plant physical evidence across half of Europe, coach and torture a shit ton witnesses, and convince every surviving Nazi officer to play along too.” If it was all fake, then it was the most efficient, flawless, airtight global conspiracy in history, one that included Soviet, American, British, and French officials, plus thousands of captured German officers and bureaucrats, all coordinated without a single leak or contradiction

If anything comes to prove just how much a fucking master race the jews are that they somehow managed to trick the most intelligent and beatiful race in the world into working for them and fabricate all of this evidence for them to become the literal fucking GODS of the west.
 
I can't believe I lost a fucking hour of my time typing to a wall. Holy shit, I am so fucking pathetic, I really need to reconsider my priorities in life.
Lol you're so mad because you can't fathom National Socialism isn't literally just about genocide.

Yeah you did waste an hour of your life. Guess what? I didn't read any of it.
 
That's not deportation. Thats forced relocation.
which was an entirely normal practice of governments up until wwii. the austrians put germans and hungarians in czech lands, czech and germans in hungarian lands, and czechs and hungarians in german lands all the time to water down nationalist dissent. england moved people all over the place multiple times. freddie mercury's parents were iranian zoroastrains who got relocated to like east africa or something.
 
That's not deportation. Thats forced relocation.
Semantics, the point still stands.
which was an entirely normal practice of governments up until wwii. the austrians put germans and hungarians in czech lands, czech and germans in hungarian lands, and czechs and hungarians in german lands all the time to water down nationalist dissent. england moved people all over the place multiple times. freddie mercury's parents were iranian zoroastrains who got relocated to like east africa or something.
Unsurprisingly the germans got a lot of their ideas from the anglos. "Concentration camps" (by that name) were first used by the english during the Boer wars to control the Boer natives, with expectable humanitarian effects.
 
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