The Holocaust Thread - The Great Debate Between Affirmers, Revisionists and Deniers

You're the one alleging these guidelines exist, for cremated remains deposited in graves. I don't think they exist.
Hey look chugger assuming things so he doesn't have to do work. How Jewish of him.
Even for a small grave, this would require extracting the remains, filtering out other materials, and taking many samples.
Hey look chugger assuming you shouldn't put any effort into anything because it takes effort. How Jewish of him.
Graves like this don't exist outside of Nazi Germany (because the body destruction was for cover up, not hygienic purposes)
Arson and murder cover ups never happen, Nazis are special magical murderers. How Jewish of him.
If you want to extrapolate out from 1% of the material that means you still have to go through about 200 cubic meters of material. Sifting through this would be time and resource consuming.
There chugger goes assuming everyone is as dumb and lazy as him. As if tools like sieves don't exist. How stupid and lazy of him.
They don't care enough about discrediting your movement to do this. Your movement currently is not a threat to anyone, and revisionists and Holocaust deniers are probably useful boogeymen for orgs like the ADL to drive fundraising from frightened Jews.
Unfortunately for chugger, holocaust promoters have explicitly said they don't want to give any legitimacy to holocaust denial by arguing with them.


You should probably go back to CODOH instead of jerking yourself off to being wrong all the time. It's not good for you.
 
Depends on the results. Maybe they don't care enough about potentially discrediting your movement.
You think there's skepticism about whether the Holocaust happened from mainstream academia?

In any case, the presence of mass graves filled with crushed bones and ash, points much more strongly to the mainstream story. A revisionist narrative encompassing this evidence hasn't even been attempted. Why were such large graves dug? Why were the bodies not only burned but bones totally crushed? John Doe screams about reversing burden of proof, but I'm not even asking for evidence of a counter narrative, I'm stating that a counter narrative does not exist.

It's as if I was claiming the Holocaust was true, but not even defining what the Holocaust was, check mate suckas!

IMO the only reasonable answer, from a rev perspective, is the archeologists are lying about what they found.
 
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You think there's freedom to question even parts of it?
Yes, eg the first western Holocaust historians assigned a death rate at Auschwitz of roughly a quarter of the Soviet number.

What's not ok is making mistakes about evidence or asserting things that aren't evidenced such as a mass Jewish resettlement in the USSR. BTW this is not to say people doing this should be jailed (that's not the position of historians, even Deborah Lipstadt) just shouldn't have respect within academia. Generally this is what happens. Armenian genocide denial isn't accepted either, or denial of Soviet Crimes.
 
The Holocaust was a funny event because retarded faggots on all sides are still debating if it even happened to this day. That's prime material. Skip this entire thread and read this instead. https://edramatica.com/Holocaust
Somehow you manage to make a post worse than that schizo sperg or chugger which is impressive since they are both legally retarded
 
It's obvious to almost everyone that this is how they died, given the clear documentary and witness evidence, so no point investigating cause of death +burnt remains have been decomposing for 60 years and you want to establish cause of death? Laughable
Forensic anthropologists can figure out how people died thousands of years ago in various states of decomposition, so no it's not laughable to establish death for a 60 year old grave of remains. The holocaust is supposedly the most documented event in history, so why not run tests? Having a definitive cause of death would put all questions to bed.
This is just talk, he used evidence to establish totals. In the case of Chelmno, German documents specify 100,000 killed by June 1942, and then there's transport documents, which you can extrapolate from. The Korherr report is an additional data point, specifying amount of Jews in the Warthe before 1942 and after.
This started because I asked you how the jews got to 6 million, and you have only repeated the same 100k.

I'm also familiar with the "evidence." Hilberg supposedly perused German documents to show that the extermination of the jews was intentional. When it came to the total dead, almost all numbers were rounded estimates. Why? Apparently the Germans burned all the "evidence."

The mountains of evidence exists, until you ask for any specific information. Then everything is gone with the wind.

Holocaust scholarship is filled with vagaries. You ask one question, and you get lead down another path, to hide the fact that there are no real answers.
 
Forensic anthropologists can figure out how people died thousands of years ago in various states of decomposition, so no it's not laughable to establish death for a 60 year old grave of remains.
Are you taking into account the fact the bodies were clearly burned and then destroyed? And you're looking at death due to CO poisoning, can you show me something comparable from thousands of years ago or even decades where a cause of death was clearly ascertained?

The holocaust is supposedly the most documented event in history, so why not run tests? Having a definitive cause of death would put all questions to bed.
I think the claim is best documented genocide. You think someone thinks it's better documented than like the superbowl or the olympics or something?

This started because I asked you how the jews got to 6 million, and you have only repeated the same 100k.
You have to start somewhere, why not the first alleged Polish death camp? If you concur with me that the Nazis likely killed around 150k with gas vans at Chelmno, we can move on, but I don't think you do, which is precisely the problem.
 
Glad to contribute to this stink ditch nothingburger thread whose only good post was its third one.

I bet you think that not only were there somehow over 6 million Jews in Germany, but that there were actually gas chambers and ovens and a mission to kill them all with lice spray.

Imagine not only thinking that it's true but also not having a problem with the official story normalizing having 6 million aliens in your country, aliens that cut the dicks off of German kids and have gay pedos fuck them for the soyence.
 
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Maybe actually attach the images in the OP instead of using dead links, chuddie?
To anyone arguing against holocaust skepticism might I ask: are all the stories true? If not, which are false and why?
To outright holocaust deniers: what parts do you deny and accept from the other side?

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Are you taking into account the fact the bodies were clearly burned and then destroyed?
Crazy how the bodies can be so thoroughly destroyed that its impossible to determine how they died, but not so thoroughly destroyed that we can't count up 6 million of them!

🤡 "There is no confirming evidence that positively demonstrates every detail of a position I assigned to you, therefore you are wrong and I am right."
🤔 "Uh, that's cool and all, but then where is your positive evidence proving your thesis?"
🤡 "There is no evidence, therefore you can't disprove my thesis."
🤔 "You just said a second ago that a lack of positive, detailed evidence demonstrates probable falsity, so how can you-"
🤡 "SHUT UP IDIOT, YOU'LL NEVER PROVE YOUR REVISIONIST CONSPIRACY THEORY, RETARD!"
 
Crazy how the bodies can be so thoroughly destroyed that its impossible to determine how they died, but not so thoroughly destroyed that we can't count up 6 million of them!
Where did I say you could count them?

My claim is that there are enormous graves full of ash and crushed bones at the sites of alleged death camps, that you have no explanation for.
 
My claim is that there are enormous graves full of ash and crushed bones at the sites of alleged death camps, that you have no explanation for.
Full of what kind of ash? Wood and trash type ash? Or are you asserting that every last centimeter is bone and ash from human remains? Since even the most favorable reading of the studies you've posted, which were shoddily done and poorly documented, mention wood debris and sand as a large portion of what they found.

And, as we exhaustively covered the last time you tried to claim that there were mass graves, the burden of proof is on you, to prove that some burned people in pits are linked to anything. It doesn't matter how small or large these pits may be, or the actual volume of human cremains (since they were mixed with sand), they don't prove anything except that some bodies were burned and dumped in a mass grave. Were they typhus victims? Starved because supply lines were bombed? Bled to death after botched circumcisions? It is a mystery.

that you have no explanation for.

I might as well just rehash our prior discussion. You have the burden of proof, faggot. Nobody has to present and defend an alternative hypothesis, you need to prove yours.

John Doe "obliterated" the study by apparently agreeing it may have been accurate but that it showed nothing remotely suspicious.
No. I asked what the presence of possibly burned human remains directly proves. You have to start with your evidence and then build to a conclusion with links of logic, instead of starting from your conclusion and trying to crowbar in anything you can without any connection (or tortured logic.)

Everything must be twisted and contorted to fit your pre-determined final conclusion, a memo about some Hauptmann's boot polish purchases is held up as proof there was Jew-ash everywhere, a photo of two men holding a woman is a 'prisoner being thrown into a crematorium' despite there being nothing else but trees and a fence in the photo, and a possible finding of some burned human remains is proof-positive that Jews were incinerated in an industrial fashion on direct orders from the Fuhrer.

Except that isn't true, none of these things prove your ultimate conclusion, they are only twisted and forced to a shape that may fit into a pattern that you are trying to wish into existence. Most of it ends up even being contradictory when you try to look at your overall pattern, because you are trying to twist each individual bit in isolation to fit your end conclusion, instead of seeking truth. Take for example the whole cremation debacle. A simple question about 'where did they get the fuel needed to cremate the millions of corpses?' turned into a three ring circus where the cadavers were emaciated and starved - except for the fat ones the Nazis rendered down to use as fuel, which were all then incinerated in their super-crematoriums that ran on jew fat - except for the ones burned in the open pits shown in their photos, and you won't ever see a picture of the super crematorium because photos were banned - but also we have all these pictures of everything but the crematoriums, with bonus continual bad faith and constant attempts to flip the burden of proof and demanding other people defend positions they never claimed.

This is conspiratard level thinking at the best, and outright deception at its worst. The basic neutral position where full faith and credit is given cannot be sustained in the face of such duplicity, and the only ones to blame are the people that refuse to engage in even a modicum of good faith. Even here you continue to twist and misstate other people's positions to burden shift sneakily.
 
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I might as well just rehash our prior discussion. You have the burden of proof, faggot. Nobody has to present and defend an alternative hypothesis, you need to prove yours.
This is not burden of proof. You don't have even have an alternate hypothesis for the graves, much less evidence for one. You've failed on the most basic level.

Full of what kind of ash? Wood and trash type ash? Or are you asserting that every last centimeter is bone and ash from human remains?
Kola specifies cremains and that they are of human origin. Cremains are not from wood or trash, definitionally.

No. I asked what the presence of possibly burned human remains directly proves.
I never said that the large graves are direct evidence, they're very strong circumstantial evidence that the mainstream story is correct.
 
This is not burden of proof.
You made the assertion, you have to prove it. Stop trying to play some jewno-reverse. It is beyond tiresome.

The burden of proof is on you to prove your arguments. The fact that your so called 'studies' don't even do basic analysis to determine how much of the total volume was human remains, forensically test the large chunks they did find, or anything else that could potentially discredit the Holocaust narrative is pretty damning all by itself. Its deception by omission.
 
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I have only one thing to add and it's that regardless of if it was several hundred thousand or 6 million, it was a good tragedy that was most certainly not allowed to go to waste. The fact that many countries do not allow you to question it to begin with should be more than enough to raise your eyebrow at the whole thing, especially when you consider the immense influence Judaism has and the tendency to find Jewish people in prominent positions of power.

At a certain point you need to accept that most history is going to be heavily embellished wherever possible in favor of someone's narrative.
 
Okay, show me the corpses. Show me 2 million gassed Jew remains, and 2 million remains killed by the other methods, deadly roller coasters, trained bears/eagles, electrified floors, etc. I'm only asking for a portion of what is claimed as the true number.

In 1939, there were about 3.2 million Jews in Poland. In 1945, there were only about 100,000. What's the Holocaust denier theory for where all those Jews went?
 
In 1939, there were about 3.2 million Jews in Poland. In 1945, there were only about 100,000. What's the Holocaust denier theory for where all those Jews went?
Interesting set of facts, if true, but I don't have to present evidence which will account for the movements of every Jew during wartime. I don't have any theory and have no burden of proof, because I assert nothing. I don't attempt to explain this alleged demographic change, I don't have enough evidence to confidently tell you that they fled the battleground region, stopped identifying as Jewish, were killed by the Red Army's rampages of violence and rape, were executed for partisan activity by any side, died in the scourges of famine and disease endemic to the conflict, or any combination of the above.

People who say the Holocaust happened are presenting a theory, however. They assert that the absolute iron-clad truth is that all those Jews that they claim vanished were rounded up, transported to amusement parks of death, killed by exotic means like deadly roller coasters, bears and eagles, electrified floors, gas chambers, etc - and all evidence was destroyed, and yes many claims are fraudulent, but trust them bro, it totally happened that way. A pretty extraordinary claim, requiring extraordinary evidence, which has yet to be presented.
 
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