That's not semantics. Deportation is used when you're sending people, typically non citizens, out of your country. Forced relocation is forcefully moving your own citizenry or people within borders you control to other regions within your borders.
Fair enough, I concede, and that means I grossly misunderstood the point being made since he was refering to moving jews out of Germany. But even then it assumes that external relocation was the only goal the regime could’ve possibly had, and that when that became unfeasible due to war they threw their hands up and said “guess we’ll just put them in camps indefinitely and be careful so they don't starve to death or anything” which doesn't really track.
You can literally read any wikipedia article about the actions of the Nazis and once you get past all the editorializing about how evil they are, it all matches up. They had a pretty solid plan to ship them all to Madascar that fell apart because of the war and even the official holocaust story admits they killed the men and scattered the rest into the forests.
I am not the one replacing ideology with coping mechanisms. Grow a spine. Either own the regime’s logic which was radical, ruthless, and uncompromising or stop pretending you believe in anything beyond Reddit-tier contrarianism wrapped in telegram infographics. This middle-ground, revisionist LARP where Hitler was both a misunderstood administrator that dindu nuffin and the spearhead of an aryan renaissance that didn't have to give a shit about anyone or anything is embarasing.
Isn't that what the US did to the Japanese? It's really not as far fetched as you're trying to make it out to be.
How is that bad or different from what Israel does now? What about other regimes that have used the same tactics regardless of ideology? Are you giving them a pass?
But isnt what both sides do? How's it bad for one and not the other?
I think this is a product of one side calling everyone and everything Hitler and not having any other frame of historical reference.
That's a fair point to raise on the surface, but the comparison doesn't really hold when you look at scale, conditions, and context. Maintaining a system of continent-wide population transfers, secured facilities, and logistical prioritization under total war requires a clear and consistent strategic intent.
I don't and that should evident from my earlier posts, I find the mass deportations and man-made famines of the Soviet regime, the massacres of the ottoman empire, and the current genocide Israel is carrying out against arabs abhorrent acts that should not be taken lightly. I literally just criticized the jews for using the control they have over the media to present themselves on equal footing to the palestinians and how that really isn't working anymore.
It's bad that both sides are doing it and I never justified neither of them. People value human life and truth so little nowadays that they are desperate for anything that validates their dehumanizing biases and their dysphoric vision of history.
I agree and I have been very critical of the way the holocaust has been sanctified in order to ensure the status of the jews as special people before (because that is actually what is laying at the core of these discussions, not whether it happened or not), it doesn't mean I am going to give a pass to the actions of the nazi regime. Yes, it has been unjustly demonized in comparison to other similar regimes, no, I don't think that warrants defending them autistically.
Yes you are. You've taken at face value a narrative created by the enemies of National Socialism, applied it wholeheartedly to a narrative corrupted by them and pretend it's the actual truth.
Yes, it's totally spineless to believe in facts that will get you arrested in half the world. Grow a brain.
"I've ruled out your own arguments, so accept mine". You've got the brain of a redditor or a jew. I'm not sure which is worse.
The strawman just keep coming with you. A Jewish lead communist civil war made Germany lose WW1. They killed over a million people. The only reason Hitler came to power was because of that. So again, the blame lies entirely on jews and communists, neither of which are human.
Imagine you have an ex-wife. You used to live together peacefully. At some point you got into a really ugly fight with her. Things escalated to the point where you're angrily physically pushing each other. At some point she poked you in the eye and you punched her in the face. Then she runs to the police, says lies you've been abusing her for years, She writes a book about. Makes a documentary. Everyone knows you as the guy that abused her for decades. You're forced to pay her path through life for not only her life, but the children she makes with another man and the children you make after her have to pay for her grandchildren too.
it's exceedingly obvious that the nazis did not give a fuck and their solution was more or less "we do not care if they die at this point" but because the entire discussion has been framed in the context of the legitimacy of their genocidal intention, there's no way to even examine the historical reality of their actions without people jumping to the conclusion that it was specifically done for the purposes of industrialized extinction. any questions gets you labeled a holocaust denier even if you're legitimately trying to examine the idea hollistically and logically, because the holocaust is just a logical contradiction in and of itself
I've never ducked anything in my life, it makes walking through crawl spaces a real pain.
Also most of his "medical experimentation" was trying to develop a typhus vaccine. You know to save the people from the genocide they wanted to do. They also admit to using the vaccine records to identify prisoners in the camp. Jews will use anything you do to make you the villain, even if it makes zero logical sense.
