The Last of Us Franchise - Because it's apparently a franchise now. This thread has been double-DMCA’d by Sony Interactive Entertainment.

[RudeRoasts]

People were sure Rian Johnson wouldnt fuck things up either.

Also it seems the last 5 years, that whatever leak you read on 4chan. The stupider it is the more likely it is to be true. People were sure the leaks for GOT, TFA, TLJ, STD, and FF7 weren't real either.

What leaks were there for FF7?

Regardless, for every 4Chan rumor that's right, there are about 100 more that aren't true. And there are already inconsistencies in that leak as is.

TLJ wasn't ruined by wokeness, and nor was GOT.
They were ruined because they hired people with very little to no interest or investment into the IP. This is Druckmann's thing.

I'm not saying that I blindly trust Druckmann. I'm saying that I'm giving him the credit he's due at this point, regardless of politics.

That, and there are literally hundreds of other people having an impact on this game, in a machine that's proved itself with first party games so many times this gen alone.

LucasFilm ain't that. The best they can come up with so far is the Mandalorian. Which was good, but ultimately banal.

 

[The Demon Pimp of Razgriz]

TLJ wasn't ruined by wokeness

Bullshit it wasn't.

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

Cyberpunk 2077 still has a projected release date and isn't just "TBA"

TBA in 2077

 

[Peru oso donas]

People were sure Rian Johnson wouldnt fuck things up either.

Also it seems the last 5 years, that whatever leak you read on 4chan. The stupider it is the more likely it is to be true. People were sure the leaks for GOT, TFA, TLJ, STD, and FF7 weren't real either.

Where is my Vergilosaurious Rex and Time machine powered by orphan tears then?

 

[RudeRoasts]

Bullshit it wasn't.

I would argue it was ruined by terrible character writing and a bad story on a conceptual level.

The animal cruelty shit was so 2009, I didn't even register it as "woke".

 

[Marissa Moira]

There's reason to believe that Sony isn't quite pleased with how Naughty Dog has been running things because they converted Santa Monica Studios into specializing in third person adventure games specifically. Now why would they do that if ND was still going to be the main provider of such games? It's a form of cannibalization which could mean ND no longer puts out their own games and will act as a sub-studio for Sony just like how Raven became a COD contractor studio when it was bought by Activision.

They've also bought out Insomniac to do Spiderman also one of the genres they're looking to expand third person adventure games into is RPGs. Square has done it both with Final Fantasy and Kingdom hearts. We could certainly see a revival of Legend of Dragoon and Wild Arms as Action RPGs.

Mind you Guerrilla Games has not been touched or altered and they've been a Sony Studio since the PS2.

 

[RudeRoasts]

There's reason to believe that Sony isn't quite pleased with how Naughty Dog has been running things because they converted Santa Monica Studios into specializing in third person adventure games specifically. Now why would they do that if ND was still going to be the main provider of such games? It's a form of cannibalization which could mean ND no longer puts out their own games and will act as a sub-studio for Sony just like how Raven became a COD contractor studio when it was bought by Activision.

They've also bought out Insomniac to do Spiderman also one of the genres they're looking to expand third person adventure games into is RPGs. Square has done it both with Final Fantasy and Kingdom hearts. We could certainly see a revival of Legend of Dragoon and Wild Arms as Action RPGs.

Mind you Guerrilla Games has not been touched or altered and they've been a Sony Studio since the PS2.

That is a ridiculous and uninformed take.
What else has Santa Monica made that isn't a 3rd person action game? There's no "conversion" there.

Guerilla has changed massively since the Killzone heydays. They've doubled the size of the studio since Horizon, and are doing similar expansions for Sony Santa Monica, Naughty Dog, even Bend, and building a new studio in San Diego making 3rd person action adventure games. If memory serves, they were even hiring on behalf of Insomniac before the purchase was confirmed, and are probably engaged in similar growth strategies for Sucker Punch.

3rd person action games are a pretty broad genre that can be transmogrified in many ways.

Ghost of Tsushima is going to be radically different from TLOU. God Of War is unlike both them. Spider-Man is radically different from that.

High quality games sell. One studio doing well doesn't mean the other is in he bad books. How on earth you conjured that up is mysterious to me.

Druckmann has said that their next game may or may not be third person, but it's a stupid statement either way. You have no idea what you're talking about if you believe that ND is suddenly going to become a support studio.

 

[Judge Holden]

Bullshit it wasn't.

Wokeness was merely the facade they slapped onto a ruined product to get positive coverage from media drones and to pre-emptively smear anyone criticised it. The reason so much absolute shit as of late has been made with such a woke facade is because every hackfraud in every industry knows that they can use it to milk positive press and to discredit anyone who talks shit about them and thus they go all in hoping its enough to turn trash into profit

 

[The Demon Pimp of Razgriz]

Wokeness was merely the facade they slapped onto a ruined product to get positive coverage from media drones and to pre-emptively smear anyone criticised it. The reason so much absolute shit as of late has been made with such a woke facade is because every hackfraud in every industry knows that they can use it to tard cum positive press and to discredit anyone who talks shit about them and thus they go all in hoping its enough to turn trash into profit

Well that goes without saying, but that doesn't mean wokeness didn't play apart in that film's eventual downfall. I think Rian Johnson and Kathleen Kennedy actually believe in the shit they were spouting and that their shitty beliefs wholeheartedly influenced their approach to the film...and that they cynically tried to cash in their woke cred for extra points with certain crowds and shame people into not criticizing their incompetence. The same way I believe that Gabby Rivera actually believes in the woke bullshit her comics push, even as she cynically uses her virtue signaling to try to get SJWs to buy her shitty comics. Its the same with Naughty Dog: their inclusion of the lesbian kiss during their E3 reveal was a carefully calculated and cynical push to drum up press and hype, but I have no compunctions against these guys also pushing their agenda on the game just because they wanted to, nor would I put it past them to think that including that kiss was a massive sock to the "homophobes".

Cynical calculated self-interest and zealotry aren't opposed to each other. On the contrary, they go together like roofies and fine wine.

 

[OmnipotentStupidity]

People were sure Rian Johnson wouldnt fuck things up either.

Also it seems the last 5 years, that whatever leak you read on 4chan. The stupider it is the more likely it is to be true. People were sure the leaks for GOT, TFA, TLJ, STD, and FF7 weren't real either.

I remember when people laughed at some sped on here who shared a 4chan thread a supposed "Blizzard ex-employee" made, detailing an "Overwatch 2" completely revamping and getting rid of the original all in service of adding a co-op mode, how The Burning Crusade from WoW would be rereleased in Classic depending on how well BFA did, how fucked Warcraft III: Reforged was going to be, how all of Blizzard's games were connected via The Void because plot contrivance, and how Diablo IV was ready to subvert expectations by making its endgame about how you were the evil one all along, and that Diablo was really the perfect good guy who did nothing wrong, and much, much more.

And everyone laughed in his fucking face and said that it was so completely stupid and awful, even by their standards, that there was no way Blizzard was going to head down that path and do so many things that were that bass-ackwards and r.etarded.

...Yeah, it's not really all that funny anymore.

 

[Marissa Moira]

I can't really get upset about TLOU being thrown into the mass grave of ruined franchises like Mass Effect, Dragon Age, Star Wars, Star Trek, Diablo, Warcraft, Thief, Might and Magic, Command and Conquer, Fallout, Starcraft, Leisure Suit Larry, Discworld, Planescape Torment, The Walking Dead, Uncharted, Dishonored and many others.

I mean what's one more sacrifice to the Politically Correct Cultists?

That and killing the franchise with it's sequel doesn't make it a franchise.

There will always be anime and JRPGs.

 

[Dom Cruise]

You probably should. If you've been paying attention, he hasn't been wrong for a long time. I don't like the guy either, I have many posts on here that denote that. But he knows what's going on at these studios.

I don't like wokeness either guys, but this thread reads like a preemptive strike because too many of the "wrong type of people" are involved in this game. The same mentality we ridicule wokies for.

I would assume there is some type of cult in the game that resembles religious fundamentalism of some type.
First game to do it? Fuck no. First game for right-of-center spergs to preemptively winge about?

This happened with Far Cry 5, too. People on both ends of the aut-I mean, political spectrum were either rallying for or against the game for seemingly making a narrative out of "rural and religious" Trump's America. Didn't work out quite that way, did it?

Neil Druckmann isn't the game version of Kelly Sue DeConnick. He doesn't insult his customers, or openly bloviate about his own personal politics, or inappropriately infuse them in his writing at the detriment of his products. Yes, Nadine exists, and yes he did say some shit about the first big "nonsexualized female protagonist" with TLOU, but neither of those things bother me.

The former is a small part of a game in which Nadine effectively loses in the grand scheme of things anyway, and when Ellie was 14 in TLOU, so, no shit. Lol

Hell, I would imagine that he's politically rightward of Jason Schreier. At least, on the subject of labor.

Taking this random 4Chan rumor (likely motivated by a similar disdain for "the enemy") with no salt and pontificating about the "clear signs that this game is in trouble" is pretty dumb.

Do I think the guy is some kind of Game Dev Messiah? No. I personally enjoyed Amy Hennig's writing on Uncharted to his, but he knows what he's doing with TLOU. And he's got a good enough track record for me to not hinge my expectations on his political leanings. Which are, at least on a social level, "left" of center.

I want to believe you're right.

I was skeptical of Far Cry 5 too but I wound up loving the game and felt like it handled it's subject matter in an even handed way that I didn't find offensive.

I was skeptical of God of War 2018 too because it seemed so toned down from the prior games and even though it was, it was still great.

So maybe TLOU2 will start off as a quest for revenge against bad guys you're supposed to hate, but maybe as the story goes on things will get more complicated than it at first seems.

 

[Muttnik]

I want to believe you're right.

I was skeptical of Far Cry 5 too but I wound up loving the game and felt like it handled it's subject matter in an even handed way that I didn't find offensive.

I was skeptical of God of War 2018 too because it seemed so toned down from the prior games and even though it was, it was still great.

So maybe TLOU2 will start off as a quest for revenge against bad guys you're supposed to hate, but maybe as the story goes on things will get more complicated than it at first seems.

I don't think so. Everything I see about this turkey reeks of hackneyed forced woke shit without the heart and soul of the original. I want to have faith as well but I've been burned way too many times by this horseshit.

 

[Dom Cruise]

I don't think so. Everything I see about this turkey reeks of hackneyed forced woke shit without the heart and soul of the original. I want to have faith as well but I've been burned way too many times by this horseshit.

It's so weird how a series can turn on a dime like that but it at least makes the message of the first game more relevant than ever.

I'll go to bat for the original as being a great game.

It's similar to Bioshock Infinite, Bioshock Infinite's message is almost downright chilling now looking back, far more impactful than it was in 2013.

 

[RudeRoasts]

I want to believe you're right.

I was skeptical of Far Cry 5 too but I wound up loving the game and felt like it handled it's subject matter in an even handed way that I didn't find offensive.

I was skeptical of God of War 2018 too because it seemed so toned down from the prior games and even though it was, it was still great.

So maybe TLOU2 will start off as a quest for revenge against bad guys you're supposed to hate, but maybe as the story goes on things will get more complicated than it at first seems.

Disregarding whether or not I'm right, Neil Druckmann's stated that this game is supposed to be about hate where the first part was about love. Take that for what you will.

I would at least assume that the aim is to portray as what Ellie's doing as questionable at best. Even on a gameplay level, giving the AI callable names, emotional reactions to their comrades you kill, etcetera, make me think that the goal is to portray the violence you enact in gameplay as uncomfortably as possible.

 

[Nobunaga]

What leaks were there for FF7?

Regardless, for every 4Chan rumor that's right, there are about 100 more that aren't true. And there are already inconsistencies in that leak as is.

TLJ wasn't ruined by wokeness, and nor was GOT.
They were ruined because they hired people with very little to no interest or investment into the IP. This is Druckmann's thing.

I'm not saying that I blindly trust Druckmann. I'm saying that I'm giving him the credit he's due at this point, regardless of politics.

That, and there are literally hundreds of other people having an impact on this game, in a machine that's proved itself with first party games so many times this gen alone.

LucasFilm ain't that. The best they can come up with so far is the Mandalorian. Which was good, but ultimately banal.

What is future sephiroth unironically shitposting and telling the time jannies to clean it up for 20 alex?

 

[RudeRoasts]

What is future sephiroth unironically shitposting and telling the time jannies to clean it up for 20 alex?

Fucking spoilers, man. I haven't played it yet.

 

[Broseph]

There is actually a pretty good chance that this game will get a PC port in the future since Naughty Dog was looking into hiring programmers with Nvidia/AMD experience, and given Sony's recent track record of porting their own games for the PC makes this pretty inevitable.

 

[The Demon Pimp of Razgriz]

There is actually a pretty good chance that this game will get a PC port in the future since Naughty Dog was looking into hiring programmers with Nvidia/AMD experience, and given Sony's recent track record of porting their own games for the PC makes this pretty inevitable.

If that happens, the collective salt from the Sony Ponies would be enough to open a salt mine. Make it happen.

 

[Marissa Moira]

There is actually a pretty good chance that this game will get a PC port in the future since Naughty Dog was looking into hiring programmers with Nvidia/AMD experience, and given Sony's recent track record of porting their own games for the PC makes this pretty inevitable.

I dunno isn't the PS5 using Nvidia stuff inside of it? I mean the VR goggles IIRC are nearly all Nvidia components.