The Last of Us Franchise - Because it's apparently a franchise now. This thread has been double-DMCA’d by Sony Interactive Entertainment.

[Vault Boy]

I will also remind you that the whole trade deal that spurred Joel's journey was not fulfilled. They fucked him over, with not even an attempt of giving him a consolation prize. Anyone who crosses the country going through that much hell would have enough justification to light that hospital up in that situation.

Son of a bitch, they did promise him some weapons & supplies in exchange for escorting Ellie. I can't believe I forgot about that.

So on top of them being incompetent quacks, they're treacherous shitheads to boot. Why does anyone root for them again?

 

[WASR96]

Yeah, that's what I thought. I remembered the cutscene after Sara's death mentioning that the remnants of the government considered them terrorists, and they're really incompetent ones at that. In the end, they expcted Joel to take his losses (whatever city he was residing in, Tess, Bills favor, etc), take his nothing for bringing her all the way there, and leave quietly. Nah, Ellie was all he had left, not a chance in hell I wouldn't have done the same thing he did. Plus, like I said, the doctor pulled a knife on Joel. You literally can't walk past him, you take damage. You have to kill him. So if their god-character Abby wants to be mad at anyone, be mad at her dumbass dad that pulled a scalpel on a man who killed hundreds of bandits and infected on his way there with nothing left to lose.

 

[c-no]

Fucking how. I had the misfortune of seeing that sex scene on YouTube, Gigantor has god damn pecs.

Just imagine all the degenerate coomers taking the head of the character and slapping it on something else. Just imagine the coomers making all the shit that could get rated "islamic content."

I'm still lost on how Joel is considered a serial killer? I haven't played the first game since a bit before it came out, but from what I remember he killed:

-His neighbor, who at the time didn't know about the infected, but protected his daughter under Castle Law since they were in Texas.

-A shitload of infected

-A group of bandits who ambushed him and Ellie.

-A group of bandits who were cannibals and the leader tried to rape Ellie.

-All the Fireflies in the hospital.

Was it killing the doctor that pulled a knife on Joel that makes him such a bad guy to the people who defend TLOU2? Seems like some far reaching to justify the cancerous writing for the sequel.

With the last one, I imagine the people justifying his death would bring up a vaccine. Mention how fungus isn't a virus and you could get something like "it's just a video game" despite the fact that one could make up a better reason to say how Joel killing people at a hospital was bad beyond "he ruined the chance for a vaccine!"

Son of a bitch, they did promise him some weapons & supplies in exchange for escorting Ellie. I can't believe I forgot about that.

So on top of them being incompetent quacks, they're treacherous shitheads to boot. Why does anyone root for them again?

Only guess to make: Abby had a dad who could appear in flashbacks if fanboys defending it bothered to show any footage of that and not just generic third person shooting and stabbing. Even then, that can be applied to any other group and wouldn't leave one thinking of how the Fireflies should be spared if they aren't fanboys or thinking Joel was a complete monster compared to a group that could still fuck up at whatever noble goal they had.

 

[Titos]

Don't forget to add "incompetent" to the mix. Most depictions of the Fireflies through all of the first game implied that they were very, very incapable. From needing a disconnected smuggler to get Ellie to their base, to losing whole fortified locations due to fuck-ups (Scientist bit by infected monkey leading to a cascade of bullshit), they were not believably competent. If they had the structure, size, or results like the WLF, it would have been more believable, but such is not the case.

I will also remind you that the whole trade deal that spurred Joel's journey was not fulfilled. They fucked him over, with not even an attempt of giving him a consolation prize. Anyone who crosses the country going through that much hell would have enough justification to light that hospital up in that situation.

I haven't played TLOU in well over 5 years so I might be mistaken but this always made me confused/annoyed with the story of the first one. Did the fireflies ever indicate they did any blood tests, mucus tests, etc on Ellie before going OH BOY TIME FOR A LOBOTOMY? Because I think anyone with a brain would be doing basic elimination procedures like doing a blood test, then do a mucus test, then do a saliva test, then check if her bites actually infect other people. If none of those give an answer then ask if she killed the zombie that bit her and if so where, then try to recover the body to see if there was something special about the zombie. Also why would they need to cut open her brain when it's a fungal infection and those are mostly fought off by the immune system so the important parts would be the lymphatic system/bone marrow but I'm not a doctor.

 

[Adamska]

I haven't played TLOU in well over 5 years so I might be mistaken but this always made me confused/annoyed with the story of the first one. Did the fireflies ever indicate they did any blood tests, mucus tests, etc on Ellie before going OH BOY TIME FOR A LOBOTOMY? Because I think anyone with a brain would be doing basic elimination procedures like doing a blood test, then do a mucus test, then do a saliva test, then check if her bites actually infect other people. If none of those give an answer then ask if she killed the zombie that bit her and if so where, then try to recover the body to see if there was something special about the zombie. Also why would they need to cut open her brain when it's a fungal infection and those are mostly fought off by the immune system so the important parts would be the lymphatic system/bone marrow but I'm not a doctor.

They did blood samples and I believe even a spinal tap if I remember correctly.

But then they revealed their hideous incompetence by then immediately going to the brain removal. Yes, the full fucking brain removal of a fungal parasite that likely is massively infectious in air as well due to its presence in there. Not a culture using delicate surgery, or as you said, sampling of her lymph system and immune cultures to find the mycotic fighting cells, full on brain removal. That demnostrably did NOT work the last time they tried it in logs that you could find in that game too. The same logs that Niel the bitchy hack forgot were in the game, since it'd stop his ability to shit out a post-modern ryona fic where he abused his staffers into watching guro.

See, the fireflies were always stupid. It'd have actually been smarter for Joel to die trying to explain that, and then Abby figuring out that he was right by going to their ahandoned hospital or something. But that wouldn't allow cuckman to masturbate over how cool his new tranny character is or allow him to code in a synogogue where a library was because he wants the same victimhood level as black people.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

I’d like to also point out that The Fireflies did nothing to actually ask Ellie if she was okay with dying for the cause. She showed up on the doorstep almost dead from drowning and unconscious and they thought “Sweet! Saves us having to get consent!”

 

[Vault Boy]

I’d like to also point out that The Fireflies did nothing to actually ask Ellie if she was okay with dying for the cause. She showed up on the doorstep almost dead from drowning and unconscious and they thought “Sweet! Saves us having to get consent!”

Again, why the hell does anyone root for these deceiving pieces of shit? I fail to see what makes them so "sympathetic" or "good".

 

[Absolutetense]

Again, why the hell does anyone root for these deceiving pieces of shit? I fail to see what makes them so "sympathetic" or "good".

Cuckmann: because they’re called the „fireflies“ don’t you get it? Fireflies at night are awesome that’s why they have this name. I came up with that on my own. That damn Amy wanted to call them something uncool but i stood my cuck-ground.

 

[The Doom Slayer]

Again, why the hell does anyone root for these deceiving pieces of shit? I fail to see what makes them so "sympathetic" or "good".

Again, a lot of TLOU1 got memoryholed and retconned by Neil and his cultists when TLOU2 came out.

The Fireflies were innocent and did nothing wrong.
Ellie wanted to get lobotomized and it 100% would have resulted in a cure.
Joel is a mass murderer and fucked it all up because he's a selfish asshole.
We have always been at war with Eastasia.

 

[Neet Tokusatsu]

Again, a lot of TLOU1 got memoryholed and retconned by Neil and his cultists when TLOU2 came out.

The Fireflies were innocent and did nothing wrong.
Ellie wanted to get lobotomized and it 100% would have resulted in a cure.
Joel is a mass murderer and fucked it all up because he's a selfish asshole.
We have always been at war with Eastasia.

I guess those will be the changes if TLOU1 gets a remake.

 

[Vault Boy]

I guess those will be the changes if TLOU1 gets a remake.

It blows my mind that there exists the possibility of TLOU getting remade. It's not even 10 years old yet, already had a decent remaster on PS4, and TLOU2 didn't advance the formula anywhere near enough to render the original obsolete. Out of all of Sony's PS3 lineup, TLOU is the last thing that needs a remake (I'd argue that Resistance 1 & 2 need it far more since they can't be played yet on PS5), and I can only dread what they'll do to "vindicate" the sequel.

 

[Next Task]

Was it killing the doctor that pulled a knife on Joel that makes him such a bad guy to the people who defend TLOU2? Seems like some far reaching to justify the cancerous writing for the sequel.

I haven't played the first one, but I believe after fighting off an ambush at one point, Joel says that he recognised it for what it was because he'd done that sort of thing before. Suggesting that he'd killed a bunch of people for their stuff as well.

It's pretty clear, though, that the TLOU2 defenders really are just focussing on what they've been told. Joel kills a lot of people in the first game - that's bad, now, though it was good at the time. Joel kills the doctor - that's cold-blooded murder, now, though it's a fail-state requirement of the game because he kills you if you don't. To make the story for TLOU2 work, the game retcons Joel saving Ellie's life. It's no longer him defending himself from people trying to murder him, who have a plan that will definitely kill Ellie but is very unlikely to actually make a cure. It's now him not letting Ellie sacrifice her life to help all of humanity, a choice that has been pointed out the doctors didn't even give her, so her getting angry at Joel about it doesn't really work.

To be fair, as it ends with Joel lying and hiding from Ellie that they were going to kill her for a cure, that was going to stick with the players far more than optional notes they might not have even read. So missing that the cure was a sham was an easy thing to rewrite in the minds of most of the players. But I was talking with someone a few weeks back about how he'd loved the second game, and the sticking point I brought up about how shitty it is for a game to make you do things and then scold you for doing them, as if you had a choice if you wanted to keep playing the game, he actively defended. He seemed to think it was brilliant, and that it wasn't at all a problem that the only winning move was not to play.

So maybe TLOU2 is just like white guilt - some people like to be made to feel bad about choices they didn't even make. I think that's fucking stupid, but there seems to be a fair amount of these kinds of people out there.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

For someone so miserable about being alive and not being sacrificed for a cure that may or may not have happened, Ellie sure was content in sucking face with her girlfriend and complaining about bigot sandwiches.

Got that sandwich like was so fucking stupid.

“Hey, I’m sorry I got drunk and said those shitty things. Here some really good meat, something that’s probably not very common these days, as an apology. I hope you can forgive me.”

“Omg, stupid bigot!”

 

[LightDragonman1]

I haven't played the first one, but I believe after fighting off an ambush at one point, Joel says that he recognised it for what it was because he'd done that sort of thing before. Suggesting that he'd killed a bunch of people for their stuff as well.

It's pretty clear, though, that the TLOU2 defenders really are just focussing on what they've been told. Joel kills a lot of people in the first game - that's bad, now, though it was good at the time. Joel kills the doctor - that's cold-blooded murder, now, though it's a fail-state requirement of the game because he kills you if you don't. To make the story for TLOU2 work, the game retcons Joel saving Ellie's life. It's no longer him defending himself from people trying to murder him, who have a plan that will definitely kill Ellie but is very unlikely to actually make a cure. It's now him not letting Ellie sacrifice her life to help all of humanity, a choice that has been pointed out the doctors didn't even give her, so her getting angry at Joel about it doesn't really work.

To be fair, as it ends with Joel lying and hiding from Ellie that they were going to kill her for a cure, that was going to stick with the players far more than optional notes they might not have even read. So missing that the cure was a sham was an easy thing to rewrite in the minds of most of the players. But I was talking with someone a few weeks back about how he'd loved the second game, and the sticking point I brought up about how shitty it is for a game to make you do things and then scold you for doing them, as if you had a choice if you wanted to keep playing the game, he actively defended. He seemed to think it was brilliant, and that it wasn't at all a problem that the only winning move was not to play.

So maybe TLOU2 is just like white guilt - some people like to be made to feel bad about choices they didn't even make. I think that's fucking stupid, but there seems to be a fair amount of these kinds of people out there.

Same thing with games such as Spec Ops The Line, which suffers many of those problems. Heck, I remember talking to someone who absolutely worshipped the ground that SOTL walked on, calling it a perfect and flawless masterpiece, and responded to my criticisms with things like "if you can't appreciate games that dare to do this, then you're part of the cancer ruining the gaming industry".

 

[Next Task]

Same thing with games such as Spec Ops The Line, which suffers many of those problems. Heck, I remember talking to someone who absolutely worshipped the ground that SOTL walked on, calling it a perfect and flawless masterpiece, and responded to my criticisms with things like "if you can't appreciate games that dare to do this, then you're part of the cancer ruining the gaming industry".

The thing is, I can see it being an effective thing if done well. But in TLOU2 it's clearly done in a ham-fisted, obtuse way. Like with the synagogue, there's no subtlety or cleverness to the approach of subversion, it's just a heavy mallet hitting you over the head and telling you how much you suck.

So often with these things, the problem isn't the concept, it's the execution, but if you complain about the execution you're treated like you're hating the concept. Which, in this specific instance of criticising TLOU2, usually means you get told you're just not smart enough or deep enough to appreciate it - and of course you're an alt-right gamer chud, because everyone who doesn't like it is.

 

[ZMOT]

Again, why the hell does anyone root for these deceiving pieces of shit? I fail to see what makes them so "sympathetic" or "good".

they wanna defeat the evil shrooms, that makes them the good guys, doesn't matter what they say or do.
you could call them anti-fungus or antifu, same effect.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

https://twitter.com/infinitegrunt/status/1485360150206717954?s=21

 

[Thiletonomics]

It looks like stores bundling TLOU2 copies for free, with other things, is still happening. My question about this is, does TLOU2 even have flight stick support?

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

As if that game wasn’t cursed enough.

 

[Anachronistic]

As if that game wasn’t cursed enough.
View attachment 2940217

Well, it's a David Cage game so it was gonna be weird nonetheless.