The Last of Us Franchise - Because it's apparently a franchise now. This thread has been double-DMCA’d by Sony Interactive Entertainment.

[Rabidcolombian]

Are you really surprised someone very publicly attached to this is gonna come out and try and salvage it? He was never going to come out and admit the games shit, even if he personally believes it. Wait a few months/years to hear his actual thoughts on it.

Fans: This game is a load of shit and Abby-

 

[Ginger Piglet]

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AND A 7" VINYL RECORD OF THE SOUNDTRACK PLUS A LAST OF US II LOGO PATCH!!!

Oh for fuck's sake. This really is peak bugman right here. Digital audio, esp. FLAC, sounds better and lasts longer (vinyl records wear out with each play, esp. on cheap turntables), but yeah, let's all consoome our music on plastic shit that wears out and ends up shitting up the oceans some more.

Also, a 7" vinyl has about five minutes' runtime per side at 45 rpm, or seven minutes per side at 33 1/3 rpm. That's a really fucking short soundtrack.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

The TV show isn't coming out until well into next year or maybe 2022.

You can't sit on a game that long, it never ends well.

Duke Nukem Forever 2: Electric Boogaloo.

 

[Agent Abe Caprine]

People call Abby the transgender but it’s actually the Asian kid in this clip, apparently. At least, they were voiced by a transman actor. Though that voice is so feminine they actually seem like more of a girl than Abby.

TFW the bulldyke is a better transman.

Why does Druckman hate boobs so much? Were his parents gunned down in an alleyway by a busty mugger?

He hates what he can't have.

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„You‘re going to buy the game, because I say so. I AM Joel, you bigot. Accept the character I play gets unnecessarily killed off and accept Abbys feminine penis.“

No, you are Groot.

You could have had an easy paycheck had your character survived to the third installment, Troy.

Abby will see Joel's ghost in part 3. While she gets beaten with a golf club.

 

[Swiss46]

Reading back a few pages I kept seeing Halo references and was horrified to think something like this could happen to Halo.

 

[Jaimas]

On a different note, one guy I was talking to argued that Joel having an undignified death makes sense, because, in his words, "revenge stories make a lot more sense when someone dies as undignified as possible rather than in a death that feels satisfying. Plus it's the Last of Us there's like one character in the first game that dies with dignity."

Thoughts?

The thing about a character's death is that unless you're actually doing something with that death, it's a blatant squandering of potential, an end to further potential stories with or involving that character. Because of this, you need to have their death have some kind of meaning to the actual story, or there's no purpose to doing so. The entire point of a Revenge story hinges upon making a death impactful, so that the audience invests themselves in the story.

Simply killing off a main character to reach some sort of desired end-point, to shock the reader, or to raise the stakes is one of the worst things you can do as a writer, so naturally, Druckmann does all three.

What makes Druckmann so much worse, however, is when you realize what his magnum opus actually represents - not just pushing his vision on an audience that not only did not want this and will never want this, but in the sheer volume of human suffering he caused to make it happen. He subjected his workers to ridiculous levels of crunch, withheld their fucking paychecks to force obedience, openly encouraged members of his staff to ridicule anyone on his team who wouldn't conform, and managed to displace and remove one of the most critically acclaimed writers in the history of video games to make this testament to ineptitude. This is, impossibly, even worse than that time Chuck Wendig tried to claim Tolkien was a terrible writer, while not being worthy to lick Tolkien's jockstrap. He continues to be involved with numerous attempts to shut down any and all discussion of this shit-show, further driving home how he's somehow managed to be the greater of these evils.

 

[Secret Asshole]

So why isn't Naughty Dog throwing @Secret Asshole truckloads of cash for this yet?

Because I'm too competent for them. As long as Druckman is there, he will not hire anyone remotely competent that could outshine them. But hey Sony, when you get tired of DMCAing people and eventually fire that piece of shit, I'm always available.

But you're Sony, so expecting decent things out of you leads to disappointment.

 

[frozenrunner]

Found out this game has two writers. Drunkmann and Halley Gross. Nothing of interest on her Twitter. She's written episodes 9 and 10 of Too Old to Die Young,

I know I'm late responding to this, but holy shit.

Too Old to Die Young is the first time I've ever felt let down by a Nicholas Winding-Refn project, and the bottom falls out of the show completely in the final two episodes. (Well, the downfall starts in the 8th episode.) And I am not at all surprised the writer of those episodes wrote this wokeshit, either.

I could write a "brief" plot summary of the show, but nobody would read it. Let's just say by the final two episodes, most of main characters have been outright murdered or tortured to death, and instead we follow:

Spoiler: I'm not making this up.

• the people who killed them, including a stronk, mystical drug cartel leader wahman... who moonlights as a vigilante murdering men in the cartel who traffick and abuse women (making her something of a feminist folk hero). Oh, and also she's the reincarnation of her lover's mother (he knows this), and she sexually dominates and humiliates him in bed.
• two side characters, the "boss" of the duo being a stronk wahman victims advocate by day who, by night, supplies targets to her associate hitman for murdering. Towards the end of the show, he kills an entire trailer park full (literally...?) of alleged pedophiles amidst imagery of decay and degeneracy, the American flag, and Nazi/white supremacy paraphernalia.

 

[AnOminous]

Man, that sounds like an amazing idea for what this game could've been. You know it's sad that random people like us can come up with a better story than whatever the heck Druckmann thinks is compelling isn't it?

A homeless hobo could eat three pounds of half-rotten raw pork and drink a quart of bathtub gin and shit out a better story than Schmuckmann.

 

[Titos]

Reading back a few pages I kept seeing Halo references and was horrified to think something like this could happen to Halo.

343 may be incompetent but even they aren't this bad. Worst they did was have a bitch call Master Chief a manlet and take away mommytana. Naughty Dog fucked up real bad when they're making 343 and the new Star Wars look favorable.

 

[Dom Cruise]

He's always been a pretentious douche. "Muh artttt" hes the James Franco of voiceover. Thinks he's the next Frank Welker.
I wonder if that's why his first marriage lasted a scant few years.



He did this when he wasn't fucking his boy assistant Salai btw

It's funny to me how one of his earlier roles was in the anime Gunslinger Girl, which had loli characters.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

Love this part because it's what I always hated about right-wing Nietzscheanism. It's usually just naked posturing but the idea that anyone can actually live the way this philosophy describes is laughable. You will get old, you will lose, you will get tired or proud and fail. And if a bunch of ubermensch got together they'd fuck eachother out of existence. Acknowledging the fact of human "weakness", that people want to live decent lives, is a critical part of becoming an adult. It's children who think they are invincible. And really the real BASED take is that the scoundrels, cheats, aggressors, and marauders all live by the tacit acquiescence of the decent majority. They're not actually powerful.
Edit: I am sure Nietzsche's actual writing is more nuanced, but we know the people who regurgitate the cliffs notes version.

Honestly, if anything, the roaming group of TWD bandits should've been small communities succumbing to us vs them wars over resources and differing group ideologies, just like what you'd see in Native American tribes.

 

[Ginger Piglet]

just like what you'd see in Native American tribes.

Except these chuckleheads like Druckmann and so forth probably think that Amerindians were all like the theme park version - living in harmony with nature and basically being either permastoned exotic hippies or infinitely wise noble savages, so...

 

[Pumpkin Girl IRL]

An unsatisfying death can be written in a satisfying way. Joel's fails on both fronts.

Funnily enough The Walking Dead game pulls both off with the same character. If Kenny dies at the end of Season 2 his death is presented as pathetic and hollow, achieving nothing, but is hugely satisfying from a narrative viewpoint...but if he dies at the beginning of season 3 it's presented as heroic and sacrificial, despite being really fucking shallow and boring.

Hell, look at MGS5 when you're cleansing the quarantined section of your base. It's ultimately cheap as you're just shooting easily replaceable NPCs, but the fact these are still NPCs you've recruited and named can hit really hard.

 

[SolidZone 26]

Also here is notleafy laughing at a Sonyfan calling people that will not buy this train wreak a "homophobic" or "transphobic" hater.

 

[Icasaracht]

An unsatisfying death can be written in a satisfying way. Joel's fails on both fronts.

Funnily enough The Walking Dead game pulls both off with the same character. If Kenny dies at the end of Season 2 his death is presented as pathetic and hollow, achieving nothing, but is hugely satisfying from a narrative viewpoint...but if he dies at the beginning of season 3 it's presented as heroic and sacrificial, despite being really fucking shallow and boring.

Hell, look at MGS5 when you're cleansing the quarantined section of your base. It's ultimately cheap as you're just shooting easily replaceable NPCs, but the fact these are still NPCs you've recruited and named can hit really hard.

Yeah it could have been more tasteful. Like, say, getting mortally injured in a casual firefight while saving Ellie, driving off a highway and then winding up dying in Ellie's arms not unlike Sarah; his daughter, whom had died in Joel's arms so many years ago.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

An unsatisfying death can be written in a satisfying way. Joel's fails on both fronts.

Funnily enough The Walking Dead game pulls both off with the same character. If Kenny dies at the end of Season 2 his death is presented as pathetic and hollow, achieving nothing, but is hugely satisfying from a narrative viewpoint...but if he dies at the beginning of season 3 it's presented as heroic and sacrificial, despite being really fucking shallow and boring.

Hell, look at MGS5 when you're cleansing the quarantined section of your base. It's ultimately cheap as you're just shooting easily replaceable NPCs, but the fact these are still NPCs you've recruited and named can hit really hard.

It’s also heavily dependent on your feeling for Kenny, as people either loved or hated him.

Pretty much everyone loved Joel and there is no satisfaction in him dying like that or in playing as his killer to “sympathize” with her.

Hell, I would have taken an alternate reality “Joel’s daughter is the one who survives and Joel dies at the beginning” TLOU over this.

 

[Pumpkin Girl IRL]

Funnily enough Joel getting winged by a Firefly and bleeding out would've been equally ignoble, fit with the "realism" of the setting but not have come across as cheap just to push a total amazeballs OC.

 

[Scarlett Johansson]

What is hellblade about? I remember when it was released but I never played it. Looked scary lol.

Wishful thinking but you'd expect this entire controversy to serve as a lesson on how to not draw your characters the way that ND has.

 

[Titos]

What is hellblade about? I remember when it was released but I never played it. Looked scary lol.

Wishful thinking but you'd expect this entire controversy to serve as a lesson on how to not draw your characters the way that ND has.

Basically a pict/celtic chick who has schizophrenia is exiled from her clan comes back from exile to find her husbando has been murdered by vikangs. Then goes on to try and find a way to save her husbandos soul.