The Linux Thread - The Autist's OS of Choice

[CrackPipeCowboy]

Installed arch after windows told me I needed to buy a new PC to "enjoy" windows 11. A few hiccups, but I think I got it figured out so far, lol.

 

[analrapist]

Installed arch after windows told me I needed to buy a new PC to "enjoy" windows 11. A few hiccups, but I think I got it figured out so far, lol.

It's funny to me how frequently this tale is told. Windows 11 is eminently pirateable, and you can bypass every requirement except >1CPU with a couple procedures, a couple minutes in the install. But hey, the more people on Linux, the better. Enjoy your Arch.

 

[Betonhaus]

I might try Artix once Xlibre hits the stable build.

 

[Vesperus]

It's funny to me how frequently this tale is told. Windows 11 is eminently pirateable, and you can bypass every requirement except >1CPU with a couple procedures, a couple minutes in the install. But hey, the more people on Linux, the better. Enjoy your Arch.

True, but at some point it will faster to compile your own kernel from source and build a distro around it than it will be to fudge in Windows and remove all the spyware, trackers and other garbage.
I'm not saying we're there yet, but give it time...

 

[YoRHa No. 2 Type B]

True, but at some point it will faster to compile your own kernel from source and build a distro around it than it will be to fudge in Windows and remove all the spyware, trackers and other garbage.

I timed my last Gentoo install out of boredom, since compiling your own kernel and building a distro around it is exactly what that is.

This is on my desktop with an AMD Ryzen 3700x, given the entire 16 threads to portage.
- Took about 1 hour to get the basic install and kernel compiled, up to the point of rebooting in the handbook (About 30 mins of that is compiling the kernel, since I usually build a bloated kernel and strip it down later to get going first). I also keep a backup of all my /etc/portage files and my world file, which makes it much easier to get back up and running.
- Took about 10 hours to compile a basic KDE environment (plasma-meta + dolphin/konsole) with all its dependencies, along with a few basic terminal programs like vim but those take negligible time to compile compared to KDE.
- I usually use a binary web browser but add about 30 minutes to compile Firefox or 2-3 hours for Chromium on that build. Neither including dependencies that may be pulled, including huge ones like nodejs (Add another 30 minutes at least).
Took just over 24 hours to get everything I typically use + dependencies compiled, from booting off the livecd. Not including system configuration to get a proper KDE session up and running, ready for use (add another ~15 mins for that).

Spoiler: world file

app-admin/eclean-kernel
app-admin/keepassxc
app-admin/kio-admin
app-admin/logrotate
app-admin/sudo
app-admin/sysklogd
app-arch/p7zip
app-arch/unrar
app-editors/vim
app-eselect/eselect-python
app-eselect/eselect-repository
app-misc/neofetch
app-office/calligra
app-office/libreoffice
app-office/merkuro
app-office/onlyoffice-bin
app-pda/ifuse
app-portage/eix
app-portage/genlop
app-portage/gentoolkit
app-shells/bash-completion
kde-apps/ark
kde-apps/dolphin
kde-apps/filelight
kde-apps/gwenview
kde-apps/kate
kde-apps/kcalc
kde-apps/kdegames-meta
kde-apps/kdenlive
kde-apps/kget
kde-apps/kmail
kde-apps/kolourpaint
kde-apps/konsole
kde-apps/kwalletmanager
kde-apps/okular
kde-plasma/plasma-meta
media-fonts/dejavu
media-fonts/wqy-zenhei
media-gfx/krita
media-sound/audacious
media-sound/elisa
media-sound/jamesdsp
media-sound/kasts
media-sound/kid3
media-video/haruna
media-video/jellyfin-mpv-shim
media-video/renamemytvseries-qt5-bin
net-analyzer/nmap
net-im/signal-desktop-bin
net-im/telegram-desktop
net-misc/aria2
net-misc/chrony
net-news/rssguard
net-p2p/qbittorrent
net-p2p/syncthing
sys-apps/mlocate
sys-apps/usbutils
sys-block/partitionmanager
sys-fs/dosfstools
sys-fs/exfatprogs
sys-fs/jfsutils
sys-fs/xfsprogs
sys-kernel/gentoo-kernel
sys-kernel/linux-firmware
sys-process/cronie
sys-process/htop
www-client/brave-bin
www-client/falkon
www-client/vivaldi

A lot of huge things are compiled with KDE (e.g., llvm and clang), so installing programs gets faster once these huge dependencies are done.
I use a lot of programs (but mostly KDE stuff) and have either default or additional use flags enabled for packages, so its not like I'm making a minimal system either.

I think we are still a while away from configuring Windows taking a straight day to fix. Don't put it past Jeetsoft to fuck it up so bad that installing Gentoo is faster then fixing Windows, one day.

 

[CrackPipeCowboy]

Enjoy your Arch.

It was mostly out of principle from Microsoft telling me what to do, but thank you- uh.. Mr. AnalRapist.

 

[Banana Hammock]

It's funny to me how frequently this tale is told. Windows 11 is eminently pirateable, and you can bypass every requirement except >1CPU with a couple procedures, a couple minutes in the install. But hey, the more people on Linux, the better. Enjoy your Arch.

Windows 11 is bad enough, but 12 is going to be stuffed full of AI shit. Which is why I'm really hoping that I like Mint when I try it out. I'm going to be buying a new SSD when I get my next paycheck (I wanted to upgrade anyway, so I might as well install Mint on it). Windows 10 support ends in October, so I figure I can use it for the next three months (if I last that long) and decide if I want to switch or stick with Windows.

 

[Slav Power]

It's funny to me how frequently this tale is told. Windows 11 is eminently pirateable, and you can bypass every requirement except >1CPU with a couple procedures, a couple minutes in the install.

None of the sensational articles about how godawful Windows 11 is mention it, so people just assume that you can't tard wrangle Windows 11 like any other Windows version that came before it, but since Linux is paraded as this amazing open ecosystem people will gladly dive into the deep water from the get-go. Assuming they won't encounter an issue they can't get over and begrudgingly go back to Windows. Remember that the average Windows user is unaware they can turn off the stupid weather widget that blows up news articles in your face when you hover over it by right clicking on the taskbar and opening it's settings. It doesn't even cross their minds that you can right click it, that's your average awareness of what you can do with Windows. People just assume Microsoft forces them to use it the way they want it to be used, even if Microsoft still gives you a whole bunch of options to personalize your experience.

Windows 11 is bad enough, but 12 is going to be stuffed full of AI shit.

Windows 12 is nothing but a massive rumor mill ran by the same tabloids that tout Windows 11 as the biggest blight upon humanity, which coincidentally was the exact same spiel they were peddling back when Windows 10 came out in 2015, yet nowadays everyone is completely happy with it, tale as old as time. Microsoft released 11 just to give a refreshment to 10 that is as old as it's name, and a good excuse to start shoving in AI shit for investors. They're already struggling with getting people to switch to 11, 11 is already a good vehicle to peddle more AI shit to investors such as Recall which didn't require a brand new Windows release to be added, so if anything, you'll be getting Windows 11 26H2 that'll be "so much worse stuffed full of AI shit" and not Windows 12.

 

[jeff7989]

I just want a linux distro where one of my monitors doesn't freeze after 10-15 days then i have to run sudo systemctl restart sddm and login again to fix it.

Usecase for longterm stability? Don't you worry about security chud? You need to apply security updates.
I think I found similar but quicker way to lockup the session. Lock the screen and manually turnoff the screen, you know like a person would do to leave PC running overnight. Coming back to it in the morning and what I see? Frozen lockscreen displaying time from last night, good thing that whatever was running in the background wasn't relying on GUI.

 

[HalHalliday]

So what're y'all doing with your FreeBSD installs?

I was having a great time with FreeBSD. Everything worked, no issues.

I ran into much greater issues with Manjaro.
KDE failed to start on the Live USB, and i3 cut off about 7/8 of my screen. Only Xfce install worked out of the box.
It turns out their "GPU detection tool" mistakenly thought my nVidia card was shared with the Intel CPU, like on a laptop, so it loaded the wrong module (?). Anycase, I had to install it without any drivers, then manually install the correct driver and reconfigure xorg.conf by hand, because their auto utility wasn't detecting my monitor (?) at all. And, for some reason, it added about 8 audio output from the nVidia card.

I tried Manjaro instead of Arch specifically to avoid doing everything by hand, but honestly, when I was installing Artix previously, before FreeBSD, it was much simpler then dealing with all those "helper utilities".

So far, FreeBSD and Artix are the clear winners for my potential switch from Windows. I want to try Slackware next.

 

[Trans Fat 41g]

Manjaro exists solely to miss the point of Arch Linux from a functionality standpoint, no I'm not against the archinstall tool either so this isn't an accessibility issue. Or, at the very least, a distro with the purpose of gambling on dangerous packages update practices isn't really more accessible than vanilla Arch...

 

[Samuel Fuller]

True, but at some point it will faster to compile your own kernel from source and build a distro around it than it will be to fudge in Windows and remove all the spyware, trackers and other garbage.
I'm not saying we're there yet, but give it time...

Every new version of Windows, the penguin molesters say this, and every version of Windows has multiple one-click solutions to remove or cripple all that shit, and next year is always the year of the Linux desktop.

 

[Ahriman]

https://videocardz.com/newz/lossless-scaling-frame-generation-has-been-ported-to-linux

Nice.

 

[Slav Power]

Every new version of Windows, the penguin molesters say this, and every version of Windows has multiple one-click solutions to remove or cripple all that shit, and next year is always the year of the Linux desktop.

It's all about which amount of which shit you're willing to put up, since the golden age of Windows 7's "install and forget" is gone. You'll have to deal with some tard wrangling and compromises no matter what you choose.

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https://videocardz.com/newz/lossless-scaling-frame-generation-has-been-ported-to-linux

Nice.

I'm interested to hear how they've accomplished it since LS relies on Windows' way of rendering windows, basically "hijacking" the window frames and interpolating them in it's own window displayed over everything else, and there's a choice between DXGI and WCG. I assume that they've managed to get DXGI working on Vulkan, though I wonder if that brings a smaller/larger/same latency than Windows, and if it's lower, if the same benefits could be achieved with DXVK under Windows.

Vulkan is just a better API in general. Fuck DirectX tbh

 

[Betonhaus]

I'm interested to hear how they've accomplished it since LS relies on Windows' way of rendering windows, basically "hijacking" the window frames and interpolating them in it's own window displayed over everything else, and there's a choice between DXGI and WCG. I assume that they've managed to get DXGI working on Vulkan, though I wonder if that brings a smaller/larger/same latency than Windows, and if it's lower, if the same benefits could be achieved with DXVK under Windows.

Vulkan is just a better API in general. Fuck DirectX tbh

https://github.com/PancakeTAS/lsfg-vk/wiki/Gamescope-Compatibility

Sounds like it's not compatible with Gamescope or Wayland, they seem to think SteamOS uses Wayland on desktop mode and I was under the impression it actually used X11

 

[Baguette Child]

https://github.com/PancakeTAS/lsfg-vk/wiki/Gamescope-Compatibility

Sounds like it's not compatible with Gamescope or Wayland, they seem to think SteamOS uses Wayland on desktop mode and I was under the impression it actually used X11

PL: Reluctant Steamdeck owner. SteamOS as configured out of the box uses X11 in "desktop mode", but switches to Wayland if you use "game mode".

 

[prollyanotherlurker]

Interesting - the way it works under wayland its very binary. I assume the X server uses a different mechanism entirely if its "doesn't tear, most of the time". As far as I'm aware, tearing can occur as an application flips its display buffer into the display server, or the display server flips it into the gpu during a draw. Maybe tearfree prevents one of those but not the other?
Using a compositor or not might affect it as well, as without a compositor I'm fairly sure you draw directly into the frontbuffer.

They explain some of this in the xorg man pages. Or at least the xorg.conf ones I want to say. To give at least a summary of what tearfree does

I'm interested in this as well because its a deceptively complex undertaking. Hopefully it will be more fine grained than simply separating windows into groups that can't talk to each other.

Yeah, I imagine it's not going to be a simple thing, which is why the xorg maintainers never bothered even trying, (from what I can tell). I'm interested to see what they end up doing with it.

Something originally designed to run on systems with 4MB of RAM

At least modern day xorg pretty consistently runs on 100mb ram or a little higher for the xorg server alone.

- Took about 10 hours to compile a basic KDE environment (plasma-meta + dolphin/konsole) with all its dependencies, along with a few basic terminal programs like vim but those take negligible time to compile compared to KDE.

That's why i just use a window manager on gentoo, and simpler tools without a list of 200 dependencies. Not saying everyone should do that. But it keeps things simple. And things are rock solid. Also with the benefit of updates not being too bad. Though I still have to deal with llvm and gcc of course.

Speaking of which looks like llvm has an update now actually.

I tried Manjaro instead of Arch specifically to avoid doing everything by hand

That was the exact opposite of my experience when I ran freebsd. Absolutely everything I wanted to use took way more setting up by hand, than any linux distro I have ever tried. Maybe I'm just unlucky, and all the software I want to use, and my hardware doesn't work well with freebsd.

 

[Ferryman]

Cross posting from the OSS thread:

Sorry to detract from the ped ribbing (and I know this discussion might be a better fit for the Linux thread, but still);

AntiX acts the way you would expect someone to if they're trying to build an anarchist tech infrastructure to resist capitalism.

That is exactly how they come across. Anticapitalista, their head dev and admin, does tow the typical fagass line of "muh no raycism and biguts allowed on muh forum", but that's pretty much everything these days. Still far, far afield from a full CoC. I am torn between them, PCLinuxOS and Artix as my new main OS. AntiX and PCLOS are the two biggest 100% sysd-free distros out there, everything else is pretty much just one man projects with esoteric management systems like Obarun or Joborun. Artix is chud anti sysd software but theys still use elogind and dbus. I'm going to have to compromise on something either way, either on the software or political end. Such is life, I suppose. On that note, any PCLOS fags here that can spare some thoughts?

 

[Frederica Bernkastel]

Nice.

This is huge. We don't have to wait for driver level support anymore.

 

[jONALD]

It is a damn shame so many people still wind up trying Majaro over EndeavorOS, the far more noob friendly version of Arch. I can can spin up an install within about 20 minutes on my machine with little to no ass pain. it even has a GUI button to click to bring up the terminal and run updates through YAY!