The Linux Thread - The Autist's OS of Choice

[Carpenter Trout]

archpill again

well, while we're at it, suggesting distros, why not try Artix? Also see if any ubuntu spin works too, like Ubuntu Mate or Kubuntu, since I recall you posting something about wanting a Debian or Ubuntu based distro, although I would suggest you to try a site called distrotest, which loads up just some basic version of the distribution but should be enough to give you an idea of how much you'll tollerate it. Or just look at whatever distrowatch is pushing lately. My recommendation would be to also take a look at Devuan. but Endeavour OS isn't a bad choice, as it also comes with Yay and Pamac bundled in.
Speaking of Artix:

how is a rolling release "stable/just works", exactly? also that bullshit where the "arch wiki is the linux wiki" is laughable. ever read the Openbox or IWM entries? It only explains only what the command does, and not how to configure it, unlike the KDE entry.

 

[Aidan]

I will never understand recommending a rolling-release distro to someone who just wants an OS that's simple and #justworks.

 

[updoot farmer]

Artix is comfy because fuck systemd, and it has broken less than either straight arch or manjaro for me.

The true Patricians' choice distro is still Slackware-unstable.

 

[Carpenter Trout]

I will never understand recommending a rolling-release distro to someone who just wants an OS that's simple and #justworks.

same as with people who suggest Server-oriented operative systems as desktop systems for general use and gaming (and with gnu/linux, is nearly 80% of the distributions, because desktop is an afterthought).
yeah, I get that some autist will be able to get even Windows Server 2003 working as a desktop in 2021, but it's not like everyone has the patience to do that.

PS: Has any of you seen how the "get good at linux quickly" videos are? Why would the first suggestion be to pretty much get rid of the mouse? What's wrong with using a GUI?
I'm specifically referring to this video, but I also saw other videos and the users were speaking in the same manner, one even went ahead and installed gentoo as a "beginner friendly distro", I'm sure I'm wrong for thinking that User-Centricness also means User-Friendlyness and had not my third eye opened yet, but... geez.

 

[updoot farmer]

yeah, I get that some autist will be able to get even Windows Server 2003 working as a desktop in 2021, but it's not like everyone has the patience to do that.

Uh dude, us autist gamer types ran server 2003, and then 2008 as desktop gaming OSes back in the day because they were lighter than the standard desktop windows bullshit.

It was honestly a much nicer experience than XP or even 7, or 8.

 

[AnOminous]

Uh dude, us autist gamer types ran server 2003, and then 2008 as desktop gaming OSes back in the day because they were lighter than the standard desktop windows bullshit.

It was honestly a much nicer experience than XP or even 7, or 8.

I used to run NT 3.5.1 because of its stability and the few games I did play at the time didn't seem to suffer for it.

 

[Aidan]

PS: Has any of you seen how the "get good at linux quickly" videos are? Why would the first suggestion be to pretty much get rid of the mouse? What's wrong with using a GUI?
I'm specifically referring to this video, but I also saw other videos and the users were speaking in the same manner, one even went ahead and installed gentoo as a "beginner friendly distro", I'm sure I'm wrong for thinking that User-Centricness also means User-Friendlyness and had not my third eye opened yet, but... geez.

DT suffers from personally being out of touch with normal users and having a viewership that is even more out of touch. I have no doubt he has a slew of pajeets and other tech tryhards reaching out to him asking for specific "1337" bullshit to be demonstrated so they can avoid reading the manual and still feel superior for no reason.
To DT's credit I don't think he's ever recommended brand new Linux users ditch the mouse, but the whole "ditch the mouse" mantra is retarded in general. I minimize mouse usage when I'm doing stuff that matters out of personal preference but believe anyone who feels the same will naturally do this on their own anyway. People who need to be told to ditch the mouse aren't going to ditch it.

As for the other channels who do this stuff, I think it's mostly tryhards just trying to flex with mediocre bullshit that only looks good to the ignorant, which is why they do it in intro videos. I don't really recommend any youtubers to people who ask for more info on linux stuff but find Joe Collins understands the noob perspective pretty well and have shared a few of his videos with people looking to learn more on their own.

 

[Trans Fat 41g]

I am reducing mouse usage to improve comfort and overall efficiency, not to get rid of the mouse. Too much shit like actual production software or office suites requires moderate to heavy mouse usage, mostly having to do with the bloated mess of LibreOffice, I can't be assed to use the keyboard for EVERYTHING involved.

 

[Dr. Geronimo]

well, while we're at it, suggesting distros, why not try Artix? Also see if any ubuntu spin works too, like Ubuntu Mate or Kubuntu, since I recall you posting something about wanting a Debian or Ubuntu based distro, although I would suggest you to try a site called distrotest, which loads up just some basic version of the distribution but should be enough to give you an idea of how much you'll tollerate it. Or just look at whatever distrowatch is pushing lately. My recommendation would be to also take a look at Devuan. but Endeavour OS isn't a bad choice, as it also comes with Yay and Pamac bundled in.
Speaking of Artix:

how is a rolling release "stable/just works", exactly? also that bullshit where the "arch wiki is the linux wiki" is laughable. ever read the Openbox or IWM entries? It only explains only what the command does, and not how to configure it, unlike the KDE entry.

Kubuntu completely fell apart on me and I have no idea why.

Honestly I'm just going to wait for the next major kernel update and pray my systemd issues are fixed with it.

 

[Ahriman]

 

[Shoggoth]

Explain to me how anyone has issues with Linux. I install the most stock boring options and they always just work out of the box with no tweaking or configuration required.

 

[Hijaboholic]

Explain to me how anyone has issues with Linux. I install the most stock boring options and they always just work out of the box with no tweaking or configuration required.

The only issue I had with my distro of choice is that the WIFI card did not work out of the box and I had to add the proprietary driver repo to get it to work. WIFI card issues are the only real issue Linux disrtos have in my experience.

 

[Trans Fat 41g]

Speaking of WiFi, sometimes the sleep goes bad by persisting, so it never reconnects. Even worse, it can be connected weakly but then refuse to change networks. I used a "sed" command to set it straight.

 

[AnOminous]

Explain to me how anyone has issues with Linux. I install the most stock boring options and they always just work out of the box with no tweaking or configuration required.

About the only issue I have crop up sometimes is goofy binary blob drivers performing less than optimally. I've had to do a bit of wrestling with Nvidia drivers sometimes. Nothing major, just a few minutes maybe after a couple stackoverflow searches.

This kind of thing used to be a lot more common years ago but almost anything remotely normal has drivers now.

 

[awoo]

nvidia always fucks something up, especially on laptop. On desktop it's fine but somehow the nvidia driver fucks up system suspend (which has hit or miss hardware support in the first place) and also sometimes just causes screen tearing. 90% of all my linux problems are due to nvidia. fuck you nvidia

 

[Carpenter Trout]

fuck you nvidia

The issue is that you're still going to require a Nvidia GPU if you need to use Cuda or Optix. OpenCL has been dropped even by blender now (although they immediately replaced it with HIP). Say what you want, but I still think that Cuda is still amazing when rendering videos or blender projects.

Explain to me how anyone has issues with Linux. I install the most stock boring options and they always just work out of the box with no tweaking or configuration required.

Try openbox. "it has more documentation than fluxbox", which maybe true, but it's still relatively archaic and sparse.
Also on EndeavourOS KDE I had an error which was akin to those Windows XP's Internet Explorer jokes after playing Nier, where the right mouse click would've halted performance to a crawl. I didn't had this error on other distributions. Dolphin still blows, though. How hard can it be to make the folders look like a list when I'm not in the pictures or videos folder? Even windows had this feature.

 

[Kosher Dill]

Explain to me how anyone has issues with Linux.

A lot of the classics have already been listed, but I'll add:

- Ending up in authentic 1991-style DLL Hell when using a long-lived release like Debian stable at the very end of its lifecycle.
- Having a BIOS with slightly incorrect LVDS entries. Windows can recover from this, Linux can't.
- Anything that makes you compile stuff under multilib/multiarch is typically miserable.
- Can't draw a circle

 

[Frail Snail]

Explain to me how anyone has issues with Linux. I install the most stock boring options and they always just work out of the box with no tweaking or configuration required.

Seems like most options work without any headaches, but a small percentage of breakages need esoteric fixes and system knowledge - especially if hardware is the root of the problem. There's also a bit of confirmation bias, where the "stock boring options" of someone involved in IT or just following technical discussions may be different from a non-techie person.

 

[AnOminous]

Seems like most options work without any headaches, but a small percentage of breakages need esoteric fixes and system knowledge - especially if hardware is the root of the problem. There's also a bit of confirmation bias, where the "stock boring options" of someone involved in IT or just following technical discussions may be different from a non-techie person.

There are a couple minor tweaks I usually do. For instance, there's a dumb design choice on laptops that if you touch the touchpad even slightly while typing, it fucks everything up.

So throw this into whatever startup file you have:

syndaemon -i 0.8 -K -R

It disables the touchpad while typing and for almost a second afterward (the default is two seconds which is too long and annoying and this sets it to 0.8, although you might prefer a shorter or longer time). You might also have to go into the touchpad settings to check a box disabling the keyboard while typing, although I think it is usually the default setting.

I generally otherwise use the defaults, other than for instance installing CUDA-capable drivers for Nvidia cards.

 

[Ahriman]

The only issue I had with my distro of choice is that the WIFI card did not work out of the box and I had to add the proprietary driver repo to get it to work. WIFI card issues are the only real issue Linux disrtos have in my experience.

I am still having issues with my piece-of-crap Realtek 8822CE on the latest Ubuntu, it still won't work