The Linux Thread - The Autist's OS of Choice

[Gargamel]

backwards compatibility

Many of those things are legit there for backwards compatibility with early Win32 programs. It doesn't cost much if anything to leave them in. Last thing they need is to give users more excuses not to upgrade. They got enough of those already.

Also I take issue with his comments on MMC. The Microsoft Management Console "just works" and doesn't need to be updated or replaced. They got it right the first time. You'll never get the flexibility or information density in a new UI designed with current "waste space everywhere" trends. Familiarity with the interface goes a long way in terms of working efficiently and not wasting time. I know how all of those snap=ins work. They're largely the same since Windows 2000. No need to Bing it because I can't find what I need because they fucking changed it.

The desktop being dogshit slow though... No excuse. There is literally no excuse for why the desktop performs as shitty as it does in Win11.

 

[WinRAR Free Trial]

You know what there is NO excuse for? Windows removing Purble Place. That was the beginning of the end.

 

[Betonhaus]

You know what there is NO excuse for? Windows removing Purble Place. That was the beginning of the end.

I don't believe I ever played that game. And you can still redownload it last I checked from a third party

 

[ZMOT]

Also I take issue with his comments on MMC. The Microsoft Management Console "just works" and doesn't need to be updated or replaced. They got it right the first time. You'll never get the flexibility or information density in a new UI designed with current "waste space everywhere" trends. Familiarity with the interface goes a long way in terms of working efficiently and not wasting time. I know how all of those snap=ins work. They're largely the same since Windows 2000. No need to Bing it because I can't find what I need because they fucking changed it.

I remember some UI retardation that has at least been fixed by now. as for "no need to bing it" - we're way past that where all you is a cryptic error you have to look up online. because where else would you need "something happened " if not the fucking event log?

 

[TheDataHorder]

GIMP is awkward as hell, but you can literally hire a couple of pajeets to color pixels by hand for less than Adobe wants for fucking photoshop.

adobe charges highway robbery for photoshop (it'd cost less to run a mansion in hollywood for a year then pay for a months worth of photoshop) but christ if you need those features that no other program provides then photoshop is your only option.
to this day i have never seen a photoshop alternative that is on par with the damn thing.
google "puppet warp photoshop" to see what i mean, that single feature alone is fucking mint.
gimp is great as a basic photo editor but its fucking useless for serious work.
adobe gets away with this shit because there is no other Photoshop alternative out there as good as it.

 

[innocent jogger]

No, child. You are mentally ill. I created a PPM file and converted it to a PNG with ImageMagick. I literally did it to check behind myself (just at 1x1 resolution though) after I posted it. And it worked. This constitutes felony failure to properly read what I just posted, and you will be enjoying prison shortly.

Real Chads use mtpaint. Initiating prison sequence, stalker child...

And even if they are for some reason using some ancient software written in 1997 on Windows 11

1997 isn't "ancient". Have you ever written a line of code @General Emílio Médici?

Many of those things are legit there for backwards compatibility with early Win32 programs. It doesn't cost much if anything to leave them in. Last thing they need is to give users more excuses not to upgrade. They got enough of those already.

I thought this was a Linux thread.

You know what there is NO excuse for? Windows removing Purble Place. That was the beginning of the end.

I thought this was a Linux thread.x2

adobe charges highway robbery for photoshop (it'd cost less to run a mansion in hollywood for a year then pay for a months worth of photoshop) but christ if you need those features that no other program provides then photoshop is your only option.
to this day i have never seen a photoshop alternative that is on par with the damn thing.

That's why I pirated Photoshop for 15 years and then switched to GIMP. I would have sooner but GIMP's UI was a piece of shit until then. GIMP has been awesome for years now even though they changed their funny icon and made a picture of dicks mushrooms their startup pic for some reason.

If you really need those "features that cost more than a mansion in holywood" then just pay for Photoshop you damn nigger, it would put you on par with the other faggots.

 

[Slav Power]

GIMP is awkward as hell

Because it was designed by autistic GNU programmers to have anything to edit shit under GNU/Linux. GIMP has an abysmally bad UI/UX and it has never solved it nor will it ever solve it, NOR will it ever replace Photoshop. It is a good program for technical edits, but it will never ever replace anything. It will remain it's own thing forever.

You can find 3.1 icons and menus in some of the deeper recesses of Windows 11.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=2GBs1GapIvw:684
Microsoft uses the excuse of "backwards compatibility" but that sounds like complete bullshit. A lot of these leftovers have nothing to do with backwards compatibility and are instead either visual or straight up superfluous stuff. Most people who need such old tools tend to be just using old PCs not connected to the internet instead of modern PCs.

And even if they are for some reason using some ancient software written in 1997 on Windows 11 there is no excuse such a big company which has a de facto infinity money glitch going from the amount of users and customers they have to not updated and at least made it so the entire OS has a single consistent look and feel to it.

Please, fuck off. I don't want MS to suddenly rip all of the legacy menus out and replace them with WinUI 3 bullshit just because some faggot thinks that "old = bad" and "new = good" so change needs to happen because change for the sake of change is good. Nvidia is going to kill off their good old control panel in the name of a massive bloated app and I hate it. Microsoft killing off all of the legacy panels to do so? Fuck no.

And you wanna know the reason why there's so much old leftovers in Windows 11? It's because Windows 11 is essentially the newest version of Windows NT 3.1. Back in the 90's Microsoft was working on ditching MS-DOS+Windows in the name of a brand new OS which was Windows NT. They worked on it for many years, with the release of Windows 2000 and Windows Me being the push that led to them killing off MS-DOS+Win9x, and Windows XP was the first Windows based on NT both in consumer and enterprise space.

Now, here's an analogy. Windows, from Windows 1 to Windows Me, was in a way what GNU/Linux is. A GUI OS slapped on top of a CLI OS. This led to massive issues that culminated in Me being a flop and Microsoft moving to Windows NT, which was designed as a GUI OS from the ground up, with it essentially being an OS/2 fork. So your GUI in Windows isn't modular like it is in Linux, it is hardcoded and connected to the OS in such a way that you can't magically remove all those leftovers because you no like old thing.

@Gargamel is right. There is nothing wrong with those leftovers. They work, and you don't fix what's not broken. You know, like Wayland, which will be a thorn in the side of Linux users when it's gonna get forced by more and more projects because someone thought that X11 was bad because it was old. But it worked, and that's what all those Windows leftovers are. Old code that works and doesn't need to be changed.

 

[General Emílio Médici]

1997 isn't "ancient". Have you ever written a line of code @General Emílio Médici?

I am not talking about individual lines of code. I am talking about programs made in 1997 by small companies of programmers that have long gone extinct and which never got updated, no one knows how they were built and would be too expensive and annoying for too little return to try and remake.

So your GUI in Windows isn't modular like it is in Linux, it is hardcoded and connected to the OS in such a way that you can't magically remove all those leftovers because you no like old thing.

Sounds like bad design having the UI be so deeply integrated to the point you cannot decouple them, but that is just me.

 

[Slav Power]

Sounds like bad design having the UI be so deeply integrated to the point you cannot decouple them, but that is just me.

You know what also sounds like bad design? Having your UI so decoupled from your terminal OS that you don't develop a single desktop standard for the 32 years of your existence where you have multiple incompatible GUI API's competing with each other.

And then expect to be an alternative to the GUI OS that had a stable API standard for 28 years which developers still use to this day. Seems incredibly counterintuitive, but that's just me.

 

[The Pulverizer]

Because it was designed by autistic GNU programmers to have anything to edit shit under GNU/Linux. GIMP has an abysmally bad UI/UX and it has never solved it nor will it ever solve it, NOR will it ever replace Photoshop.

Someone could say the exact same thing about Photoshop if they haven't gotten used to it.

It is a good program for technical edits, but it will never ever replace anything. It will remain it's own thing forever.

Anyone that doesn't like crashing every 5 minutes would be more than happy to learn how to work GNU's UI. Only people who are mentally retarded use modern Adboe's (pajeet Adobe) Photoshop.

Having your UI so decoupled from your terminal OS that you don't develop a single desktop standard for the 32 years of your existence where you have multiple incompatible GUI API's competing with each other.

How is having multiple options a bad thing, retard? Need I remind you how atrocious Window 10's settings are? And the fact that the GUI isn't interchangeable means that you're stuck with that forever.

They tried to modernize the Windows 7 GUI. But because they're lazy they half-assed it and basically added their own (shit) GUI on top of the Windows 7 GUI.

Please, fuck off. I don't want MS to suddenly rip all of the legacy menus out and replace them with WinUI 3 bullshit just because some faggot thinks that "old = bad" and "new = good" so change needs to happen because change for the sake of change is good. Nvidia

>Not having le desktop standard GUI is le BAD.
>PLEASE, DADDY MICROSOFT! DON'T CHANGE YOUR SHITTY INTERFACE AND MAKE IT SHITTIER.
Yeah, no. Their diverse team of retards going to change it and it will suck and there's nothing you can do about it because Microcock doesn't want you to have options.

 

[The Ugly One]

Anyone that doesn't like crashing every 5 minutes would be more than happy to learn how to work GNU's UI. Only people who are mentally retarded use modern Adboe's (pajeet Adobe) Photoshop.

GIMP is available on Windows and Mac. If it weren't a massive piece of trash unsuitable for professional use, it would have a lot more professional users because it's free. And don't "BUT MUH MARKETING." Plenty of FOSS has wide industrial adoption, like Rocky Linux and LLVM.

How is having multiple options a bad thing, retard?

Same reason it would be a bad thing if every script I deployed had to work in bash, csh, and sh. Standardizing platforms is a good thing, because it lowers production & support overhead. It's why at the enterprise level, nearly everything is RHEL or RHEL-derived. It's become the de facto standard because by everyone informally agreeing to support the same thing, it makes our and our users' lives easier. Because I can develop & deploy to an agreed-upon standard, if my shit doesn't work with some bespoke, nigger-rigged desktop environment like you find in all these special snowflake distros, what I do is tell you to go fuck yourself and switch to a mainstream Linux. It's nice.

 

[The Pulverizer]

GIMP is available on Windows and Mac. If it weren't a massive piece of trash unsuitable for professional use, it would have a lot more professional users because it's free. And don't "BUT MUH MARKETING." Plenty of FOSS has wide industrial adoption, like Rocky Linux and LLVM.

Skill issue. How is it a massive piece of trash unsuitable for professional use? Because you can't understand the UI? I couldn't understand Photoshop's UI the first time I used it.

What makes Photoshop more suitable for professional use? The fact that it crashes constantly which means you lose all of your progress up to that point?

Same reason it would be a bad thing if every script I deployed had to work in bash, csh, and sh. Standardizing platforms is a good thing, because it lowers production & support overhead. It's why at the enterprise level, nearly everything is RHEL or RHEL-derived. It's become the de facto standard because by everyone informally agreeing to support the same thing, it makes our and our users' lives easier.

No it's not because it's entirely against what FOSS stands for. If you don't like decentralized software, then fuck off back to Windows or Mac.

Because I can develop & deploy to an agreed-upon standard, if my shit doesn't work with some bespoke, nigger-rigged desktop environment like you find in all these special snowflake distros, what I do is tell you to go fuck yourself and switch to a mainstream Linux. It's nice.

What? I've never come across a program that didn't work on my desktop environment and I've never seen that complaint anywhere. Find me one program that works on GNOME and doesn't work on KDE.

Features specifically made for GNOME don't count.

 

[Gargamel]

Windows NT at least up until 5.2 had the ability to show a command line on a VGA console. You can see this in the recovery mode of the install CD for XP, and you can also see it when you put a Command Prompt window fullscreen. There were (still are) console mode Win32 programs. WinRAR ships with a command line version, for example.

To the best of my knowledge this is the closest it can get to being "a text mode OS with a GUI on top". There is no way to boot directly to a command prompt on a hardware console on a normal installation, though I wouldn't be surprised if there were a way to modify the system to do this. It seems pointless though, being that the whole point of Windows from the start was to get away from the console. That was the big thing in the early 90s when PCs were getting performant enough to handle it. It's no surprise that Windows NT was designed with an integral GUI from the beginning.

I'm not sure if the hardware console carried over to Vista, the first version to ship with the 3D accelerated Desktop Window Manager. I kinda doubt it, being that even the installer is 100% graphical, and DWM represented a radical change to the way graphics were handled under the hood.

You can boot OS/2 to a console command prompt, even in the versions newer than Windows NT 3.1. There were plenty of OS/2 console programs, even 32-bit ones. You could even multitask OS/2 console applications with no GUI. However you could just as easily run them in windows on the OS/2 desktop.

You can also run some Win32 console programs under DOS with this DOS extender. This one will run certain Win32 graphical programs as well.

 

[Rusty Metal Skull Gun]

There is no way to boot directly to a command prompt on a hardware console on a normal installation, though I wouldn't be surprised if there were a way to modify the system to do this.

You can do this if you're autistic enough (source: am autistic enough). There's a driver called SAC that you need to convince it to load, which provides a command prompt on a serial port.
There's also Nano Server, which everybody forgets about, which does indeed boot directly to a command prompt.

 

[Sperg Coalition]

Microsoft uses the excuse of "backwards compatibility" but that sounds like complete bullshit.

Truth to be told, one of the few things that Windows does right is retro-compatibility, something that on Linux is difficult or even impossible sadly. Old games on Windows 11 (usually) run without too many issues/almost none.

 

[Gargamel]

Truth to be told, one of the few things that Windows does right is retro-compatibility, something that on Linux is difficult or even impossible sadly. Old games on Windows 11 (usually) run without too many issues/almost none.

Some games which originally targeted Win16 and later ported to Win32 don't work right on newer NT. SimCity 2000 comes to mind.

But the 32-bit port of SkiFree works no problem on Win10, last I tried.

 

[Creative Username]

Truth to be told, one of the few things that Windows does right is retro-compatibility, something that on Linux is difficult or even impossible sadly. Old games on Windows 11 (usually) run without too many issues/almost none.

AFAIK, when Linux programs eat shit it's because some userland library changed their APIs 50 times. Static linking (or special package managers that install the program and its dependencies in their own designated shitting street) can help at least a little.

 

[Gargamel]

AFAIK, when Linux programs eat shit it's because some userland library changed their APIs 50 times. Static linking (or special package managers that install the program and its dependencies in their own designated shitting street) can help at least a little.

AppImages are able to do this too, and you can have as many different versions of the same program as you want.

 

[Creative Username]

AppImages are able to do this too, and you can have as many different versions of the same program as you want.

That's a special package manager that installs a program and its dependencies in a designated shitting street, if I recall correctly. Maybe it does something more elegant, like shitloads of symlinks to deduplicate 50 instances of the same .so file.

 

[TheDataHorder]

If you really need those "features that cost more than a mansion in holywood" then just pay for Photoshop you damn nigger, it would put you on par with the other faggots.

an idiot buys, a smart man pirates.
and judging by your post, there doesn't seem to be a lot of brainpower behind that fisher price keyboard you type with.
gimp isnt meant to be a photoshop replacement, its a basic photo editor and people who think otherwise are "nigger faggots" such as yourself.
I'm going to continue using my pirated copy of photoshop cc 2017 since its a decent program that does what i need without getting in my way.
cope, seethe and mald.