The Linux Thread - The Autist's OS of Choice

[Latex Catmaid]

Let them get pwned by 0 day exploits.

It'd be funny if linux haven't had those too.

You won't solve any problem by making Linux "bigger" in the enduser market space, you'll just turn it into an even bigger target for enshittification than it already is.

I've been following everything said here ad on the open source community watch and the common group that's being named are transfolks, I don't believe it. I reckon it's political assholes wanting to make a statement (like mozilla or google, worry about them first)

Anyway, humoring the idea transfolks are making linux worse, tthey ain't normies, they live atypical lives and are subject to a kind of bigotry that cis folks won't ever have to deal with due to them being trans. They really can't afford to be normal and enjoy normie hobbies. If it's group 2, microsoft is also headed that way and limiting who you wanna appeal to doesn't solve the problem because politics is a brain worm. Leftists and alt-righties alike flock to linux and i heard kiwifarms too, doesn't matter how popular something is they're still gonna shit it up if theyre given an opportunity to do so.

I don't know how anybodys gonna solve that problem, but it's counterintuitive to assume normies are the root cause of it.

 

[prollyanotherlurker]

Yes--If you really want to sell people on switching, they need to see why Windows is a problem, not why you like Linux better. If it isn't broke why fix it. Same with most things really. Microsoft's approach to fucking over customers is slow enough that people just put up with it because "that's how it is", until it affects them on a personal level at which point they will probably just get a Mac instead and all the issues that brings. Otherwise, it still does your taxes and your school papers and your video games, that's all people really want.

The most common argument seems to be security. Linux isn't as secure as people think it is. Especially on rolling release systems. Sure, there isn't one giant company with a for-profit motive to put malware on your computer and force it down your throat. But there are 3000 or so different indie authors that can just decide to do whatever they want with no check and balance and it will slip into your system whether you update manually or not. One of the many falls of having everything synced with a central package manager. I feel a similar way to VPNs. You aren't actually changing anything but your vendor. It's just a shift of trust, not a guarantee. Linux is just less in your face about trying to make money is all.

There is one thing that might stop people from going mac. Which is price. People if they know its an option, can convert their current computers to linux spend no money. Or at most paying for a usb. Meanwhile apple computers are the most overpriced pieces of garbage on the market. Especially people that just don't have the extra money laying around to throw away on an apple product.

I feel like a lot of people get apple phones because they can have them financed with their phone plan, but having to drop all that money at once might be a bit of a deterent when it comes to pc's.

At least those are my thoughts on it. I really do think people just actually learning what linux is by itself will probably boost numbers a little. Normies really have no idea about it. At least people I know. And myself before I had, had enough of microsoft. I really had no clue.

Also as people become more worried about privacy (I do think slowly people are starting to care a little more over time), linux keeps becoming a better looking option. Because while the security on all 3 is practically the same. Linux is the only real option for privacy.

 

[GNU Abyss]

I've been following everything said here ad on the open source community watch and the common group that's being named are transfolks, I don't believe it. I reckon it's political assholes

You've read the community watch thread for Open Source, full of examples of trannies invading projects and kicking people out for daring to interrupt their spergfests, flag shit and attention baiting in spaces dedicated to making things, and yet you separate "transfolks" and "political assholes". Are you a chaser or just genuinely retarded?

Anyway, humoring the idea transfolks are making linux worse, tthey ain't normies, they live atypical lives and are subject to a kind of bigotry that cis folks won't ever have to deal with due to them being trans. They really can't afford to be normal and enjoy normie hobbies. If it's group 2, microsoft is also headed that way and limiting who you wanna appeal to doesn't solve the problem because politics is a brain worm. Leftists and alt-righties alike flock to linux and i heard kiwifarms too, doesn't matter how popular something is they're still gonna shit it up if theyre given an opportunity to do so.

Different types of shit. Catering to the people who are technically illiterate and unwilling to learn gets you Windows without the one thing in the Current Year news cycle about why Windows is bad. This narrows your pool of software if you don't want that, because open source devs are lazy and will just target that without thinking, making libwindows or whatever shit they're linking to unavoidable without patches.

Mentally ill people appearing in the supply chain of code you run on your computer is bad because you never know what stupid shit they will do to the code or their coworkers on the project.

 

[Sperg Coalition]

just genuinely retarded

Here is your answer.

 

[prollyanotherlurker]

You've read the community watch thread for Open Source, full of examples of trannies invading projects and kicking people out for daring to interrupt their spergfests, flag shit and attention baiting in spaces dedicated to making things, and yet you separate "transfolks" and "political assholes". Are you a chaser or just genuinely retarded?


Different types of shit. Catering to the people who are technically illiterate and unwilling to learn gets you Windows without the one thing in the Current Year news cycle about why Windows is bad. This narrows your pool of software if you don't want that, because open source devs are lazy and will just target that without thinking, making libwindows or whatever shit they're linking to unavoidable without patches.

Mentally ill people appearing in the supply chain of code you run on your computer is bad because you never know what stupid shit they will do to the code or their coworkers on the project.

I mean. I did see them, contradict themself multiple times in the same reply in some of these posts in this thread. So probably the latter.

 

[TheDataHorder]

It is not that extreme.

mate, you're trying to argue that a cpu from 1989 should still be targeted. it's quite extreme.

Having replacement functions for platforms that do not support these features is not some burden, they're just simple vector operations that could be done before, but less efficiently.

it being less efficient is the problem. it's like asking a 80 year old Italian to do division when he only knows simple addition and subtraction.
yes he can do it, but he'll be so slow that it'll probably be faster to teach him how to do division in the first place.

again, older hardware should still be supported, but not this old.

 

[Latex Catmaid]

I mean. I did see them, contradict themself multiple times in the same reply in some of these posts in this thread. So probably the latter.

Shush you, I'm not the one making the argument that folks wanna be slaves. Your next line is: "zey gonna eat ze bugs and zey vill be happy"

P.s: Thank you for respecting my preferred pronouns

it being less efficient is the problem. it's like asking a 80 year old Italian to do division when he only knows simple addition and subtraction.
yes he can do it, but he'll be so slow that it'll probably be faster to teach him how to do division in the first place.

again, older hardware should still be supported, but not this old.

What a downer comment. I'm happy seeing linux adoption since it contributes to better support for unix as a whole (like nvidia support which we're only really getting nowadays) and having software work on windows 95, but not his version of gentoo is bothering me.

There are so many computers that are extremely old and unsafe running things like windows xp which btw if it's connected to the internet will instantly turn into a botnet without any malware involved due to an exploit used by hackers on shodan, they could be made more secure with a 16 bits, 32 bits linux os

 

[The Anarki Main]

mate, you're trying to argue that a cpu from 1989 should still be targeted. it's quite extreme.


it being less efficient is the problem. it's like asking a 80 year old Italian to do division when he only knows simple addition and subtraction.
yes he can do it, but he'll be so slow that it'll probably be faster to teach him how to do division in the first place.

again, older hardware should still be supported, but not this old.

you're both correct, obviously you would be out of your fucking mind to still write your brand spanking new software on hardware that is older than half the people alive today without a specific reason for doing so. It's a waste of time. But unless you're writing everything in assembly (don't pretend you are) then it wouldn't actually be that difficult shall you decide you want to. Assuming you have the source code to your software, and it compiles, there's nothing stopping a modern compiler compliant with C++23 from compiling to a IBM XT, so long as that compiler has that older architecture as an available target. Portability is the second biggest reason we invented C++ and machine code compilers to begin with.

In the open source and hacking/modding communities, backporting is not unheard of. Handling unavailable or unimplemented APIs on older operating systems is the bigger challenge honestly.

There are so many computers that are extremely old and unsafe running things like windows xp which btw if it's connected to the internet will instantly turn into a botnet without any malware involved due to an exploit used by hackers on shodan, they could be made more secure with a 16 bits, 32 bits linux os

No. This is only true if you lack a firewall. All home routers have a built in NAT for this exact reason, and the only people realistically who don't have one are going to be system administrators who need to allow unsolicited connections to serve users. Those folks are definitely not running XP anymore. The only real exception would maybe be the medical industry and some malware that could spread via LAN, but we've slowly moved past that point.

Eric Parker exaggerates how vulnerable these older computers are for clickbait on Youtube. His videos are interesting but the TLR; of them is not entirely truthful. There are a lot of asterisks attached.

 

[unhealing wound]

mate, you're trying to argue that a cpu from 1989 should still be targeted. it's quite extreme.

I'm not arguing that a system from 1989 should be actively supported. I said 486 because quite literally in 99% of cases, there's no reason to use any CPU extensions in the source code, ie in a way that would prevent the software even being compiled on Gentoo. Especially in a way that's this haphazard. Using CPU extensions is pretty much autistic assembly micro optimizations that sometimes helps for specific cases.

This guy is trying to run programs that would run fine on a Pentium 4. But AMD, probably to save money, built this 2003 CPU without the SSE2 extension that was present in the Pentium 4. It's still probably faster than a Pentium 4, and as it turns out most compilers back then didn't even support SSE2 so it was a savvy decision for them at the time.

It appears open source developers are starting to just put SSE2 code in without any thought because Ubuntu no longer supports 32 bit, and Debian is next. Therefore, all extensions released before the Athlon 64 are free game as they're pretty much a part of x86_64. This is a retarded attitude. It's bad both for both old and new hardware, because if someone wants to port these programs to their RISCV in 10 years they're going to get the same errors and have to manually replace all the SSE2 code.

 

[Betonhaus]

I'm not arguing that a system from 1989 should be actively supported. I said 486 because quite literally in 99% of cases, there's no reason to use any CPU extensions in the source code, ie in a way that would prevent the software even being compiled on Gentoo. Especially in a way that's this haphazard. Using CPU extensions is pretty much autistic assembly micro optimizations that sometimes helps for specific cases.

This guy is trying to run programs that would run fine on a Pentium 4. But AMD, probably to save money, built this 2003 CPU without the SSE2 extension that was present in the Pentium 4. It's still probably faster than a Pentium 4, and as it turns out most compilers back then didn't even support SSE2 so it was a savvy decision for them at the time.

It appears open source developers are starting to just put SSE2 code in without any thought because Ubuntu no longer supports 32 bit, and Debian is next. Therefore, all extensions released before the Athlon 64 are free game as they're pretty much a part of x86_64. This is a retarded attitude. It's bad both for both old and new hardware, because if someone wants to port these programs to their RISCV in 10 years they're going to get the same errors and have to manually replace all the SSE2 code.

It's sort of a 90/10 rule where it's additional work for few users. Over time almost everybody in the world has moved on to newer hardware, and you probably couldn't even fill a pharmacy with the people who still use computers without SSE2 in this scenario. Demanding that developers cater to the stubbornness of these minority users is like trannies demanding the world warp itself to support their mental illness.

 

[AnOminous]

mate, you're trying to argue that a cpu from 1989 should still be targeted. it's quite extreme.

Aren't there distros with an autistic fixation on supporting practically everything that ever existed?

 

[Betonhaus]

Aren't there distros with an autistic fixation on supporting practically everything that ever existed?

Aside from the fact that autism has limits, that assumes that they can actually find the hardware to test on.

You'd have to be very, very autistic to design a workaround that only affects a number of systems too small to accurately express as a fraction or percentage, of which most have been recycled, trashed, destroyed, or made into decorative art projects.

 

[Leaded Gasoline]

It's sort of a 90/10 rule where it's additional work for few users.

How is it additional work to not write code that uses these extensions? I don't know shit about coding but it sounds like it would be the other way around

Demanding that developers cater to the stubbornness of these minority users is like trannies demanding the world warp itself to support their mental illness.

I think trannies might actually be the reason for all these issues now that I'm looking into it a bit more

 

[unhealing wound]

How is it additional work to not write code that uses these extensions? I don't know shit about coding but it sounds like it would be the other way around

That is absolutely true. Using extensions creates absolutely niggerlicious looking code that is not standards compliant at all and is harder to maintain. So its best not to use them unless they give significant performance improvements, and a non SSE2 version of the code should be present at the least.

 

[GNU Abyss]

How to run obsolete shitware on Linux? I was trying to get ePSXe to run on ancient machine to do some Windows vs Linux performance comparisons but reading the requirements nearly gave me an aneurysm
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Why do modern PS1 emulators even need SSE2 to work? I was not able to install any of them in Gentoo

Have you tried older versions of the emulator? It's proprietary and, I'm guessing, compiled on machines that see SSE2 and put in appropriate instructions. A similar thing happens when people try distributing binaries built on rolling release distros like Arch to Debian. Older libc chokes and you can't run shit. Something you can probably compile on an old machine is Mednafen, though it has no GUI.

 

[Leaded Gasoline]

Have you tried older versions of the emulator?

Was not able to get them working either

Something you can probably compile on an old machine is Mednafen, though it has no GUI.

I keep forgetting that emulator exists because I'm way too retarded and impatient to set it up. Does it work with nouveau drivers on ancient GPUs or will it use CPU rendering?

 

[Trans Fat 41g]

Aren't there distros with an autistic fixation on supporting practically everything that ever existed?

At this point, especially with very crusty and niche hardware, looking into NetBSD could be your best shot.

Not discounting Linux but there's a whole other realm where niche hardware prevails, if a Linux distribution cannot suffice.

 

[Rusty Metal Skull Gun]

This is only true if you lack a firewall. All home routers have a built in NAT for this exact reason

No, all home routers have built-in NAT because of the shortage of IPv4 addresses. The firewalling is a nice side-effect.

 

[analrapist]

Not discounting Linux but there's a whole other realm where niche hardware prevails, if a Linux distribution cannot suffice.

Yes. What with all the niche hardware (RasPi etc.) coming out these days, the usual Linux targeting has become "recent hardware". For example, Arch doesn't do 32-bit x86. Ubuntu's talking about making a special build for AVX-and-up x86, and so on. Old hardware, once a stalwart, common use case for Linux, has become substantially less supported of late. Not that there are no distroes that will serve, but you might have to end up moving away from your comfort zone to do so.

 

[Sperg Coalition]

What a downer comment. I'm happy seeing linux adoption since it contributes to better support for unix as a whole

I wish that RedHat forked Linux so that they can focus on their own faggot infested fork to be quite honest instead of pozzing Linux.