The Linux Thread - The Autist's OS of Choice

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Baguette Child said:
I know Steam OS is hyped up more than it should be but thanks to exposure via Steam Deck my nephew has started asking me to teach him more about Linux and even wanted me to give advice for building a proper desktop under a better distro.


I will begrudgingly but earnestly thank Valve for this. There was something uniquely joyful about the experience of getting to pass these things on to a younger generation and it may not have happened if his vidya games hadn't drawn him in.
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It hasn't been Linux people hyping it. Everything I see from Linux people, is saying the opposite.

It's niggers like Linus tech tips. Who literally say it's some magic operating system that magically turns Linux into something else.


This is exactly the thing that is causing it.
 
Miller said:
Of course now he's shilling for Linux after he acted like a retard years ago.
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If he wasn't one of the people pushing the steamos makes Linux work narrative. I would say yes.

It's been a while since I've seen this. But I want to say, it isn't just him saying it makes games work. But he's acting like it makes it easier to just install it. When Linux mint to almost any distro is just as easy for most things.

he's going through the extra hoops to install this operating system. And it will probably actually work worse than a normal distro if you are trying to install it on a desktop.

It's the retardation of everything he does, that I don't like. Not even just his Linux videos. Literally as soon as anything involves software. No matter what operating system. He has no clue. Doesn't matter if it's windows, Mac, or Linux. And this guy runs a tech YouTube channel empire.
 
I, for one, welcome our Valve overlords. Because honestly, if Canonical are going to go full retard and rustify everything, a new contender for "Baby's first Linux, where shit just works" is probably a good thing: I haven't specifically heard that rust is going to dribble down into Mint, but I haven't heard that it isn't, either, and suspect it's just a matter of time.
 
Vesperus said:
I, for one, welcome our Valve overlords. Because honestly, if Canonical are going to go full retard and rustify everything, a new contender for "Baby's first Linux, where shit just works" is probably a good thing: I haven't specifically heard that rust is going to dribble down into Mint, but I haven't heard that it isn't, either, and suspect it's just a matter of time.
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Linux Mint is maintaining a debian edition just in case, I don't know what they would need to make it feature complete - at least a Nvidia driver manager and a newer kernel
 
Vesperus said:
I, for one, welcome our Valve overlords. Because honestly, if Canonical are going to go full retard and rustify everything, a new contender for "Baby's first Linux, where shit just works" is probably a good thing: I haven't specifically heard that rust is going to dribble down into Mint, but I haven't heard that it isn't, either, and suspect it's just a matter of time.
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I mean isn't Rust already in the kernel? So technically, it's already there.

We wish it wasn't, but that's them breaks.
 
Trans Fat 41g said:
I mean isn't Rust already in the kernel? So technically, it's already there.

We wish it wasn't, but that's them breaks.
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Rust is technically in the kernel, but it's effectively a second class citizen (thank God). In short: the overwhelming majority of committers on the kernel team have a strong background in C/C++, have built up tons of debug infrastructure and tooling specifically to accommodate kernel debugging and development over the decades, and they're generally an older crowd who can't understand why the self-professed Rustaceans with programming socks and pronouns in their bio are so obsessed with a meme language that's trying to reinvent the wheel with arbitrary code rewrites instead of making worthwhile pull requests that would eventually get integrated. I'm not necessarily against including Rust, let alone any other nascent language like Go, Elixir, or Zig into the kernel. What I'm personally opposed to is the COC, social media brigade, cancel culture clash that Rust's biggest enthusiasts are bringing into the kernel, a highly meritocratic and honestly ruthless environment to be in. Hector Martin specifically had to be told by Linus Torvalds that his deplorable behaviour on the mailing lists was the problem and not the fact that other developers rightly criticised his contributions to the kernel, yet he still maintains he didn't do anything wrong and that it's the kernel team who were at fault. Literally every fucking Rust developer on the kernel mailing lists is just as histrionic as Hector was. Why? Because despite memory safety guarantees, Rust's borrow checker, compiler, whatever it is, that shit won't prevent normal human stupidity from getting in the way, and just generally finding ways to build around the nanny compiler. I'm saying all of this as someone whose biggest code contribution was "Hello World" in C and Java once upon a time. Maybe I'm just talking out my ass, but my lying eyes are convincing me to believe what I'm seeing.
 
Trans Fat 41g said:
I mean isn't Rust already in the kernel? So technically, it's already there.

We wish it wasn't, but that's them breaks.
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As far as I know, only in the form of driver modules.
(Building drivers into the kernel is a different foaming rant, but at least it's not structural)
 
What ever became of this custom kernel project? Wiki says the website was restored in 2019, but it's down again now. Github is archived.

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Longene is a Linux-based operating system kernel intended to be binary compatible with application software and device drivers made for Microsoft Windows and Linux. Longene aims to add all Windows kernel mechanisms, including system calls, Windows Registry, Windows Driver Model, Deferred Procedure Call, and others, into the Linux kernel to form a new kernel.
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Mister Fister said:
Of course Valve is making their own Linux version, they have a critical vulnerability to being dependent on Jeetsoft for now.
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steamOS wont be the end all be all for linux gaming but they seem to be pushing the entire thing forward. Having a force at all pushing linux to compete on normal features with other systems is nice. My transition has been pretty good despite the issues with early adoption of specific features.

Valve is working to be not be reliant on microsoft and as a result everyone benefits.

I forget where I was going with this
 
The Saltening said:
steamOS wont be the end all be all for linux gaming but they seem to be pushing the entire thing forward. Having a force at all pushing linux to compete on normal features with other systems is nice. My transition has been pretty good despite the issues with early adoption of specific features.

Valve is working to be not be reliant on microsoft and as a result everyone benefits.

I forget where I was going with this
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Steam is a private company so it is about the only gaming company that isn't retarded.
 
prollyanotherlurker said:
It hasn't been Linux people hyping it. Everything I see from Linux people, is saying the opposite.
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Of course Linux people aren't hyping it. If Linux people had their way, nobody would use Linux. In their ideal scenario, Linux would have the install base of the people who use Amiga unironically, only they'd be really smug about it.

As we've seen in this thread, there's a lot of Linux people who want to convert others to using Linux, but whenever there's any progress, shit their pants, throw an autistic temper tantrum, and scream at them to "go back to windows". Yes, some of this is done ironically, but given how pervasive it is, I think some of it, perhaps even a lot of it, is genuine.

Miller said:
Of course now he's shilling for Linux after he acted like a retard years ago.
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And I defend those videos. I have no love for Linus, but those videos are great because they're the bog standard Linux experience for those that are diving in. Source. Me. Who had a similar experience when I tried Linux a few times.

"X didn't work."
"Oh, that was just a rare bug. You can't blame Linux for that."

"Distros don't matter, just pick one."
*chooses distro*
"Omg! You chose a shitty distro! Install Y or fuck off back to windows!"

"How do I do X?"
"You shouldn't want to do X. If you want to do X fuck off back to windows!"

and so on.
 
Celebrate Nite said:
You know, ignoring all the linux users, including on this site, that have been trying to save windows users from the sinking ship that is Microsoft, but sure.
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I do wonder if there's a correlation between what specific distro each user uses and how helpful they are in encouraging the move to linux?
 
Betonhaus said:
I do wonder if there's a correlation between what specific distro each user uses and how helpful they are in encouraging the move to linux?
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No, there isn't a single technical field that isn't overrun with either unhelpful assholes or niggers who give you retarded advice that compromises your system. The former is partly a consequence of the latter.

Lamenting about it sounds like a newfag waste of time.
 
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Really depends what people consider progress.

To me, making Linux into something completely compatible with windows, isn't progress. Or something I would want. But it's something I've heard windows users say "Linux " should put effort into doing.

I don't think making everything work exactly how a windows users thinks it should or wants it to, is actually progress, or necessarily a good thing.

But I do think leaving behind some of the older ways. Like not worry about supporting graphical sessions that people connect to from other machines by default. Probably makes sense most of the time. For most people running a desktop. Since really don't tend to connect to machines through telnet like we did in 1990. And few people that need it can still set it up.

I don't like the implementations we have. But, having some universal ways to install up to date packages on any distro, even the ones that by default send out 2 year old packages. Is probably progress.

Or offering people what need in easy to install distros, that come bundled with a bunch of extra graphical apps. Even if I don't tend to use those.
 
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