The Linux Thread - The Autist's OS of Choice

[prollyanotherlurker]

My transition has been pretty good despite the issues with early adoption

Yeah I've heard bottom surgeries have come a long way over the last 30 years. So brave queen.

 

[Judge Dredd]

It hasn't been Linux people hyping it. Everything I see from Linux people, is saying the opposite.

Of course Linux people aren't hyping it. If Linux people had their way, nobody would use Linux. In their ideal scenario, Linux would have the install base of the people who use Amiga unironically, only they'd be really smug about it.

As we've seen in this thread, there's a lot of Linux people who want to convert others to using Linux, but whenever there's any progress, shit their pants, throw an autistic temper tantrum, and scream at them to "go back to windows". Yes, some of this is done ironically, but given how pervasive it is, I think some of it, perhaps even a lot of it, is genuine.

Of course now he's shilling for Linux after he acted like a retard years ago.

And I defend those videos. I have no love for Linus, but those videos are great because they're the bog standard Linux experience for those that are diving in. Source. Me. Who had a similar experience when I tried Linux a few times.

"X didn't work."
"Oh, that was just a rare bug. You can't blame Linux for that."

"Distros don't matter, just pick one."
*chooses distro*
"Omg! You chose a shitty distro! Install Y or fuck off back to windows!"

"How do I do X?"
"You shouldn't want to do X. If you want to do X fuck off back to windows!"

and so on.

 

[Celebrate Nite]

If Linux people had their way, nobody would use Linux.

You know, ignoring all the linux users, including on this site, that have been trying to save windows users from the sinking ship that is Microsoft, but sure.

 

[Betonhaus]

You know, ignoring all the linux users, including on this site, that have been trying to save windows users from the sinking ship that is Microsoft, but sure.

I do wonder if there's a correlation between what specific distro each user uses and how helpful they are in encouraging the move to linux?

 

[Trans Fat 41g]

I do wonder if there's a correlation between what specific distro each user uses and how helpful they are in encouraging the move to linux?

No, there isn't a single technical field that isn't overrun with either unhelpful assholes or niggers who give you retarded advice that compromises your system. The former is partly a consequence of the latter.

Lamenting about it sounds like a newfag waste of time.

 

[prollyanotherlurker]

Really depends what people consider progress.

To me, making Linux into something completely compatible with windows, isn't progress. Or something I would want. But it's something I've heard windows users say "Linux " should put effort into doing.

I don't think making everything work exactly how a windows users thinks it should or wants it to, is actually progress, or necessarily a good thing.

But I do think leaving behind some of the older ways. Like not worry about supporting graphical sessions that people connect to from other machines by default. Probably makes sense most of the time. For most people running a desktop. Since really don't tend to connect to machines through telnet like we did in 1990. And few people that need it can still set it up.

I don't like the implementations we have. But, having some universal ways to install up to date packages on any distro, even the ones that by default send out 2 year old packages. Is probably progress.

Or offering people what need in easy to install distros, that come bundled with a bunch of extra graphical apps. Even if I don't tend to use those.

 

[Gangster G'Kar]

Of course now he's shilling for Linux after he acted like a retard years ago.

 

[Fcret]

It's not the responsibility of Linux users to teach you how to not be a mouthbreathing normienigger retard with computers. There's more than enough documentation out there that even middling IQ children can comfortably run and use Linux nowadays, and there's zero reason a grown adult should not be able to figure stuff out.

If you can't read a 1500 word wiki entry, then you should just stay on Windows.

 

[Akerman]

My best advice to new users is to learn to troubleshoot effectively, get familiar with strace and dmesg. I fixed a Python issue myself using strace and LLMs and I am still relatively new to the Linux world and I am also no expert in programming. LLMs are game changers if used sensibly and with the correct methods. They can at times make issues legible and easy to fix, all I did was output the strace to a file then asked it to analyze it for me. It scoured the jargon, converted it to English then found the issue and gave me a fix. I ran it, and it fixed my issue. This takes some getting used to, is not foolproof, but if you hate dealing with Linux nerds (I don't entirely blame you) I recommend trying it. The bonus is that if you also ask it to teach you what it did, and you actually read it you can also learn way more about your system that way too and ask for documentation sources relating to it so you can read further on man pages.

For visual learners, I think my favorite new channel to learn Linux right now is Bread on* Penguins. Real cozy vids.

 

[Slav Power]

To me, making Linux into something completely compatible with windows, isn't progress.

I'd say making Wine actually "just work" transparently where you can't tell if you ran a Linux binary or a WinPE would be progress, since you can already run Linux software under Windows, so having the opposite would only be beneficial to all ecosystems since by the end of the day your choice of which core OS runs on bare metal will matter on your personal knowledge and needs, but this cross-OS software interoperability is only a good thing. An OS is meant to run software that a user needs to do their work and do it well, so if Linux can achieve that by having Windows software interoperability, it strengthens it's viability for both home and enterprise users.

Of course, if you are a religious zealot and you don't actually use your operating system to run software but to have a false sense of smug superiority, then of course it would be a regress.

And I defend those videos.

I don't. IIRC he used Pop!_OS which is an extremely gay Ubuntu fork where you really shouldn't use anything but Mint and they had a major fuckup in the package manager where for some reason it would consider just about every package of the OS a dependency of Steam. So when he wanted to uninstall Steam, it would try to essentially uninstall the entire OS, and the package manager had a safeguard against this, explicitly telling you that if you go through with it you will fuck your shit up. If Faggot took five seconds of his precious time to read and comprehend what just popped up, he wouldn't fuck over his OS. But he just went "I know what I'm doing", fucked his shit up and then bitched that it was Linux's fault.

Faggot has the exact same tech illiterate mentality that led to his channel getting hacked. Nigger would just blindly doubleclick "hot_teen_action.mov.exe" he downloaded off of The Pirate Bay, then bitch at Microsoft that he got WannaCry all over his network or whatever. The average normie can barely use Windows, so don't be surprised if they fuck something up in Linux that requires you to at least have a rudimentary understanding of what you're using. Remember that those are the same people that aren't even aware you can install or reinstall Windows fresh yourself and only the people at the computer store they got their machine from have the divine knowledge to do it. And you're expecting them to install and use Linux.

By the way, Mint has a GUI package manager through which you can install Steam, and IIRC it autohandles Nvidia drivers nowadays, but like I said, even that is too much for the average user that struggles with Windows. All the Linuxfags that default to the "stick with Windows" defense should crawl out of their NEET caves, take a look around and get a reality check. Those "people" need iPhones, Windows gives them too much control for their own good.

You know, ignoring all the linux users, including on this site, that have been trying to save windows users from the sinking ship that is Microsoft, but sure.

Read above. You'd be doing yourself a favor by dissuading them from using Windows or Linux altogether. Or you can try to eat your cake and have it by trying to "save" them to achieve Year of the Linux™ and then bitching you're being ran over by complete nigger cattle that can't do the most basic diagnostic steps themselves. If they can't pass the "I understand basic tech" litmus test, they need an iPhone.

 

[Fcret]

I'd say making Wine actually "just work" transparently where you can't tell if you ran a Linux binary or a WinPE would be progress, since you can already run Linux software under Windows, so having the opposite would only be beneficial to all ecosystems since by the end of the day your choice of which core OS runs on bare metal will matter on your personal knowledge and needs, but this cross-OS software interoperability is only a good thing. An OS is meant to run software that a user needs to do their work and do it well, so if Linux can achieve that by having Windows software interoperability, it strengthens it's viability for both home and enterprise users.

The big problem with that is that Windows is closed-source and not interested in interoperability. Wine as a project is built upon many years of having to reverse engineer Windows and figure out how it actually does things under the hood since the Win32 API often outright lies to you or software makes use of undocumented functionality (which Microsoft encouraged in the past).

Beyond that, Microsoft somewhat cheats here as WSL2 is run inside a hyper-v container so it's not the same as Wine. A lot of intensive graphical Linux software also doesn't work in it due to GPU virtualization not being particularly well-supported under Windows. In fact, the situation with running Linux software on Windows is significantly worse than running Windows software in Linux once you move beyond the command-line realm (and that's not even getting into WSL2's spotty support for things like systemd).

 

[Ferryman]

For visual learners, I think my favorite new channel to learn Linux right now is Bread on* Penguins. Real cozy vids.

Dangerously based. Though more generic coding, Tsoding is also a personal favorite. Josh's old programming streams are also pure kino if you're a MATI enjoyer.

 

[Judge Dredd]

On the topic of the Linus video years ago.

IIRC he used Pop!_OS which is an extremely gay Ubuntu fork where you really shouldn't use anything but Mint

Correct. And he chose it because he was told it made using Nvidia hardware a breeze, instead of having to fuck around with drivers.

But when it went bad for him, it was blamed on a bug.

Also, the other guy did use Mint, and when he ran into issues like multiple monitors being weird, or moving windows causing the system to lag, he was blamed for a bug and not being fair to linux.

they had a major fuckup in the package manager where for some reason it would consider just about every package of the OS a dependency of Steam. So when he wanted to uninstall Steam, it would try to essentially uninstall the entire OS, and the package manager had a safeguard against this, explicitly telling you that if you go through with it you will fuck your shit up. If Faggot took five seconds of his precious time to read and comprehend what just popped up, he wouldn't fuck over his OS.

Linux users seem to forget that the challenge was to use Linux with only the resources a normie would have access too, and document the experience. And to a new user, even one who works with computers, it looks like a bunch of word vomit, and when he googled the error, the solution he was told to use to type "do as I say", which uninstalled his desktop. At what point did he do something unreasonable?

You know, ignoring all the linux users, including on this site, that have been trying to save windows users from the sinking ship that is Microsoft, but sure.

I don't blame you, it's stuff like this-

You'd be doing yourself a favor by dissuading them from using Windows or Linux altogether. Or you can try to eat your cake and have it by trying to "save" them to achieve Year of the Linux™ and then bitching you're being ran over by complete nigger cattle that can't do the most basic diagnostic steps themselves.

I hear over and over again that distro doesn't matter. But when someone chooses a distro (Pop OS in the case of Linus), suddenly it's fuck you, should have used Mint and you're nigger cattle if you encounter a bug.

To the outsider looking in, it's like the Linux community is made entirely of hipsters. Constantly telling people to listen to some obscure band, and then getting mad once they start getting mainstream. I've been hearing over and over and over how people should jump to Linux, how it's "It's the year of the linux desktop!", but each time it didn't pan out for me. Now there's been three big leaps in adoption. PewDiePie, SteamOS, and Win 11. And the Linux communities response? "PewDiePie is a racist!" "SteamOS sucks!" "You shouldn't want to game on Linux!" "Fuck off back to Windows!"

I said this a bunch of pages ago, but even well meaning people sometimes fall into this trap. I don't know your post history, so I don't know if you've done this personally, but it's why I reference the whole "You shouldn't want to do X" thing so much. Again, in the Linus video, it's when they try to play Supreme Commander. "You shouldn't want to play that game because it's old/made in java."

 

[prollyanotherlurker]

You shouldn't want to game on Linux

Yeah. I'm sure the entire linux community is saying that. All over the internet.


Your saying all this shit like "the year of the linux desktop" needs to happen. If people want to use it, fine, they don't, great windows is still there for them. Who actually gives a fuck?

People that are going to actually use linux, and stick with it. Are probably going to actually put the effort into finding the help, or documentation they need. The one's that want to install it because they saw PewDiePie use it, and only that. Are probably going to give up once they hit their first actual issue. If the only reason they installed it was their gay internet gaming daddy said linux is good. People that have a reason they want to use it, other than just trying something they saw someone they liked using (basically a fad), are going to be a lot more likely to actually have a reason to keep using it.

And who said steamos sucks? All I've seen, including myself. Is saying if you are trying to install steamos on a desktop. You're a retard. Doubly so, if you are doing it because you listened to Linus Tech Tips of all people.

 

[Samuel Fuller]

So just install any distro

Thanks for illustrating the concept of totally missing the point.

99% of computer users don't even update their PC, so asking them on install one themselves is automatic failure.

 

[Ferryman]

While there is no "proper" way to use Linux, there should always, always be some measure of technical know-how needed to work your computer. The eternal dumbing down of tech use has only worsened the growing global competency crisis in more ways than one, the least of which is turning people into subservient nigger cattle by removing "distractions" such as being able to move your taskbar in the case of Win 11, so that you can focus more on "productivity" or "doing your job". If people are too "busy" (read:mentally enslaved) to learn how their machine works, then they should be cordoned off to the Mac cattle corner.

If they can't pass the "I understand basic tech" litmus test, they need an iPhone.

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99% of computer users don't even update their PC, so asking them on install one themselves is automatic failure.

How do you even fix this in 2020+5? Most normies these days want instant satisfaction and devices that immediately work out of the box with 0 user input. By default that disincentivizes knowing your machine. And it doesn't help that both MacOS and Windows are increasingly turning into walled gardens that prevent low level system modification. How do you make it worthwhile for normies to want to tinker with their tech?

 

[Samuel Fuller]

While there is no "proper" way to use Linux, there should always, always be some measure of technical know-how needed to work your computer. The eternal dumbing down of tech use has only worsened the growing global competency crisis in more ways than one, the least of which is turning people into subservient nigger cattle by removing "distractions" such as being able to move your taskbar in the case of Win 11, so that you can focus more on "productivity" or "doing your job". If people are too "busy" (read:mentally enslaved) to learn how their machine works, then they should be cordoned off to the Mac cattle corner.

Agreed. Saar do not be redeeming the config saar it works out of the box you do not need to tinkertranny saaar Mac just works saaaaaar very good coding contribute opaan source saaar.

How do you even fix this in 2020+5? Most normies these days want instant satisfaction and devices that immediately work out of the box with 0 user input. By default that disincentivizes knowing your machine. And it doesn't help that both MacOS and Windows are increasingly turning into walled gardens that prevent low level system modification. How do you make it worthwhile for normies to want to tinker with their tech?

"Normies" don't need to tinker with their tech and are usually better off not doing so, so fuck making them want to.

And if you sincerely believe the idiocy you posted about Macs, you're insanely uninformed. If you know what you are doing on it, MacOS has all the powerful tools a UNIX environment provides with a decent userland experience. Don't need to use a terminal to do what you need to? Fine. Never open the terminal and you can keep going in the GUI. Want to do something the userland secuirty features doesn't give options for? Use the terminal, there is always a way to accomplish what you are trying to do.

I guess neckbeards who can't afford good hardware need something to cry about though, so keep spewing stupidity while thinking you know it all. It is amusing.

 

[Rust Troony]

Thanks for illustrating the concept of totally missing the point.

99% of computer users don't even update their PC, so asking them on install one themselves is automatic failure.

"99% of users dont update their computers, so therefore when switching to linux they should just install SteamOS, they cant fathom installing anything else!"

You are retarded.

I guess neckbeards who can't afford good hardware need something to cry about though

"Macs are goodest of hardware that's price right SAAR"

Point proven.

 

[Slav Power]

The big problem with that is that Windows is closed-source and not interested in interoperability. Wine as a project is built upon many years of having to reverse engineer Windows and figure out how it actually does things under the hood since the Win32 API often outright lies to you or software makes use of undocumented functionality (which Microsoft encouraged in the past).

Beyond that, Microsoft somewhat cheats here as WSL2 is run inside a hyper-v container so it's not the same as Wine. A lot of intensive graphical Linux software also doesn't work in it due to GPU virtualization not being particularly well-supported under Windows. In fact, the situation with running Linux software on Windows is significantly worse than running Windows software in Linux once you move beyond the command-line realm (and that's not even getting into WSL2's spotty support for things like systemd).

That's not the point I was making. I am aware it's a difficult task, but the point is better Windows software compatibility on Linux is ultimately a good thing, and to be against it is to not treat your operating system as what it is, a toolset to run the software that you personally need to do your work and do it well, but as a replacement for your lack of personality, where any sign of Linux becoming "more like Windows" is seen as a direct attack on your ego.

It's a neatly vague term that doesn't only focus on the bad ways you'd make Linux more like Windows, like redoing the kernel to work more like the hybrid kernel that is Windows NT, to good ways like making Wine better and more transparent to the end user. It's not that someone is afraid that Linux will be worse due to copying all the wrong ideas of Windows, is that someone is afraid that Linux won't be this esoteric Rubik's cube that only they can solve. They're not people who you want in the Linux community, they're the cancerous cyst that's slowly poisoning it that should be removed if you actually wish for good, functioning software.

 

[Ferryman]

I guess neckbeards who can't afford good hardware need something to cry about though, so keep spewing stupidity while thinking you know it all. It is amusing.

Hello Jay "Nigger" Irwin! Think you got the wrong door, the shitting street is two blocks down: https://boards.4chan.org/g/. Don't forget to bump your hourly Mac shill thread!

Jokes aside, MacOS is the #1 clearest example of tech enshittification. It prevents you from running non-apple distros on apple hardware, forces you into the Mac ecosystem, creates a device that scrunches you into a box that you HAVE to work in, then data harvests you because if you use Microsoft/Windows, say it with me: YOU ARE THE PRODUCT. If I can't audit and compile my kernel, then into the bin it goes. And saying "price = performance" is also retarded. Consumerism has turned people into "consume product and get excited for new product" cattle. I can bet top dollar that the vast majority of people today can easily do all they need to do on hardware from at least ~5 years ago, if not older. But yeah, sure, buy more Crapple shit with soldered ram, storage and superglued batteries.