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how feasible do you guys think daily driving it would be?
I've been using FreeBSD for about 2 weeks as a test on my second desktop and I'm having a great time. Everything works. And it's far better than the last time I used Linux, back in 2012. The only issue so far is that if you want to use Proton and not just Wine, it gets a bit complicated, 'cause you need to use Linuxulator. Other than that, it's been great.
 
Slackware is an absolute joy to to use and a close #2 to Gentoo. I have it running on an X230. Zero complaints, really good distro all around. In other news, FreeBSD is getting its 15.0 release later this year. Barring the cuck license and all that, how feasible do you guys think daily driving it would be? Definitely been hearing a lot more good things about it than bad so I'm strongly considering giving it a spin.
A lot less feasible than Linux.

At least for me. Trying to use it, was like what people that don't use Linux, say running Linux is like.

A lot of things didn't work. A lot of things needed troubleshooting. In general it didn't feel very cohesive (yeah they have their own userland, but most people aren't just using the kernel and command line). You will have to rely on ports from Linux applications. And a lot of the time, they only do the bare minimum to get the program working. There are going to be things that don't work on freebsd still.

Hardware support is worse, software support is worse.

If you don't have a good reason to run freebsd. I suggest not doing it. The juice definitely isn't worth the squeeze.

Oh also with all of that said. The documentation is also worse than Linux. Distros like Gentoo, and arch. (Contrary to what some people might say). So you won't be able to as easily fix your problems when you do run into them. Which is much more often than any Linux distro.

They have the Linux compatibility layer, that really didn't work well when I used it at least. At least not with the programs they offer out of their repos that use with it.

I can go on for a while. The point is. You will only be losing things by going to freebsd, not gaining anything. Unless you run servers that benefit from freebsds security features, jails, and zfs. It doesn't make sense to run it.

And it's far better than the last time I used Linux, back in 2012.
Linux has come a LONG way in the last 13 years.
 
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We're in perfect configuration for a "year of the desktop BSD" any time now. Linux is becoming a playground for corporate horseshit.
Regardless of the plausibility of FreeBSD being suddenly and widely adopted in the Desktop space and its viability for many, I will always prefer FreeBSD's development and deployment over Linux. It delivers a kernel, device drivers, the userland utilities, and documentation, as opposed to Linux only delivering a kernel and drivers. It's genuinely a better method of development IMO, as FreeBSD delivers a complete operating system on one stable base that can easily be developed & packaged for and so effectively reduces fragmentation issues, and to top it all off it's all done with simple instructions on how to download & install for new users.

But most importantly, Beastie is also a way better mascot:
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One of the worst pride logos I have ever seen, good work KDE team.
Not even their worst one Nicco made.

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He has to be one of the worse spokesmen for KDE, he also ruined the panel by making it float by default (which could have been cool if it stayed floating and didn't awkwardly unfloat and bloat to twice the size when a window is maximized.

At the very least he doesn't start randomly throwing tantrums at people like the trannies at Redhat, but doing shit like this really makes me not like you.

I was going to rebut but then i remembered Nicco works on KDEs UX and hes trying discredit the Asahi Lina is Hector Martin information because it came from here.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=6QhF1y--0VM
Also just recently reposted this. Why are they all like this?
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Anyways it always made me laugh how wayland was so poorly managed. 17 years later and there are still features you would expect to be a priority since wayland breaks them (Global hotkeys is the big one.) that are still missing. A normal user should not have to figure out how to run OBS in xwayland in order to get usable global hotkeys. Hopefully XLibre is actually good.
 
The kernel might have. After reading this thread, I'm not so sure about the rest.
Btw Wayland will turn 17 this year. Also, there are 21 years between X1 and X11R7.
You know freebsd just uses things ported over from Linux for the most part? Uses desktops, and applications built around Linux, basically except the kernel itself, the the things tied into it, and the userland.

Freebsd just feels like you took Linux, and went back 10 years + in progress and usability.

Also a weird thing to bring up x11 and Wayland. Freebsd is also using x11, and Wayland.
 
Ubuntu dropping GNOME's X11 session

"The Ubuntu team is following Fedora's example and dropping GNOME's X11 session in the distribution's next version. The announcement for the change reads, in part: "The login screen (powered by GDM) will no longer offer the Ubuntu on Xorg option. All sessions based on GNOME Shell and Mutter are now Wayland-only and users who rely on X11-specific behaviors will not be able to use the GNOME desktop environment on Xorg. We understand that some users still depend on Xorg's implementation of X11; for example, in remote desktop setups, or highly specialized workflows. If you require Xorg specifically, you can install and use a non-GNOME desktop environment. Xorg itself is not going away, only GNOME's support for Xorg.""

I haven't been here in a bit, I've probably said this before, but it's impressive how the decisions coming from the Red Hat / Ubuntu / GNOME camps are consistently retarded.

I switched to Linux as my daily driver a little more then 6 months ago; is GNOME just a hazing ritual for new users? I switched to Plasma and suddenly every fucking annoying bug disappeared (pulseaudio stopped crackling, chromium programs stopped breaking so hard I would have to restart or my system would freeze, some insane bullshit bug where WoW in Lutris would freeze for like a 10th of a second when I hit one of the Numpad bindings on my retardmmo mouse, shit still works when I wake up the system from sleep, etc etc)

It's not perfect or anything but the only thing I miss is the GNOME clipping tool not gargling dog cocks like Spectacle does but I can probably fix that
I don't know if you meant it but great post. GNOME is an exercise in total fucking stupidity. The GNOME devs always choose the worst outcome in every decision they make. They're either evil and/or stupid, but they have to be at least one.
I could see GNOME making sense as a tablet DE but on the desktop it's indefensible.
 
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Ubuntu dropping GNOME's X11 session

"The Ubuntu team is following Fedora's example and dropping GNOME's X11 session in the distribution's next version. The announcement for the change reads, in part: "The login screen (powered by GDM) will no longer offer the Ubuntu on Xorg option. All sessions based on GNOME Shell and Mutter are now Wayland-only and users who rely on X11-specific behaviors will not be able to use the GNOME desktop environment on Xorg. We understand that some users still depend on Xorg's implementation of X11; for example, in remote desktop setups, or highly specialized workflows. If you require Xorg specifically, you can install and use a non-GNOME desktop environment. Xorg itself is not going away, only GNOME's support for Xorg.""

I haven't been here in a bit, I've probably said this before, but it's impressive how the decisions coming from the Red Hat / Ubuntu / GNOME camps are consistently retarded.
That won't affect Cinnamon, right?
 
That won't affect Cinnamon, right?
I think sooner or later the developers of other GTK desktops are gonna have to put their big boy pants on and disavow the RH GTK completely. Probably should've happened already. There's too much retardation on that side of Linux and it already causes issues with the sane desktops and programs.
 
Anyways it always made me laugh how wayland was so poorly managed. 17 years later and there are still features you would expect to be a priority since wayland breaks them (Global hotkeys is the big one.) that are still missing. A normal user should not have to figure out how to run OBS in xwayland in order to get usable global hotkeys. Hopefully XLibre is actually good.
Global Hotkeys not working on OBS like it does on X11 out of the box is intended IIRC, it's not considered to be a regression and so it won't ever be fixed. Whenever you see something like this on Wayland you should just assume it's yet another vital security feature that's super important, because that's always what it is. - But tbf unless I am mistaken there actually is a readymade solution for this called Global Shortcuts. It's a standardized API that's part of the XDG Desktop Portal project intended for applications to be able to request and use global shortcuts on Wayland. It works by opening up a permissive "portal" to said application which can then be used for hotkeys.

Only problem is it doesn't work on OBS yet because they have yet to implement it. OBS team has said it's "planned" and it's stayed like that for years, and there is no indication they are working on it despite X11 being dropped left and right. So, in this case you can blame both Wayland for the endless security bullshit done at the behest of RedHat and their enterprise customers and the OBS team for not adopting the appropriate way to ask for an exception despite "planning" to do so for years. - In the meantime, you can use this script if you use KDE. Seems very simple, though I have no use for it personally.


Nicco supporting Hector Martin and retweeting a post about wanting "Healthier porn for minors".
Also, yes Nicco is a faggot, ever since I saw him wear a feminist shirt I knew he was a creep because men who feel the need to grandstand abt that, esp by wearing some dumb Etsy shirt always are. That's why I was surprised he didn't call PewDiePie Alt-Right in his video covering him. I guess not getting dislike bombed matters more to him than calling out literal nathzees, for shame. I also get the impression that he is not a major contributor to KDE. He mostly just plays one on TV as an angle to get clicks. - I had no idea he defended minors watching porn, why is he interested in them doing that? None of this noncery surprises me, but good catch for sure.
 
I don't know if you meant it but great post. GNOME is an exercise in total fucking stupidity. The GNOME devs always choose the worst outcome in every decision they make. They're either evil and/or stupid, but they have to be at least one.
GNOME is fucking garbage and this is a perfect example of their Microsoft-like attempt to create a monopoly and force it down everyone's throats.
 
I think sooner or later the developers of other GTK desktops are gonna have to put their big boy pants on and disavow the RH GTK completely. Probably should've happened already. There's too much retardation on that side of Linux and it already causes issues with the sane desktops and programs.
It's not like the qt based desktops aren't also slowly moving over to wayland. KDE is obviously heading it. But lxqt is starting the move itself. Last I heard it's still considered experimental though.
 
But lxqt is starting the move itself. Last I heard it's still considered experimental though.
Its still experimental but its past the alpha stage that Xfce and Mate are currently stuck in.
Last time I tried it out a few months back it was mostly usable as a daily driver, although very buggy on Wayland. I couldn't change scaling on my HiDPI display for example.
Some things didn't work right (some crucial) but otherwise their Wayland efforts are going nicely, and they seem to be fixing a lot of these Wayland bugs recently too.
Give it a year and I reckon it will be fully usable on Wayland.
 
Its still experimental but its past the alpha stage that Xfce and Mate are currently stuck in.
Last time I tried it out a few months back it was mostly usable as a daily driver, although very buggy on Wayland. I couldn't change scaling on my HiDPI display for example.
Some things didn't work right (some crucial) but otherwise their Wayland efforts are going nicely, and they seem to be fixing a lot of these Wayland bugs recently too.
Give it a year and I reckon it will be fully usable on Wayland.
Yeah. I tried their wayland version right after they released it. It was still very much alpha at that point. Even so overall things did seem to work. For sure not everything, and I wouldn't have been happy actually using it at that point. I was going in knowing it wasn't close to ready yet. So I wasn't surprised when I ran into some issues, and weird behavior with certain things.

One thing I do like about the way they've chosen to do things. Was they allow you to actually swap out other compositors. I don't know if they've stuck with it or not. Since I haven't been following too close since then. But I think it's a good idea.
 
Ahh, the good old days, when the women at tech conferences were, you know, women.
Sad to say, that (top 0.001% Turkish woman) cut herself off from the future of the human race by choosing to not have children while she still could. Grandparent (and horny BSD enthusiasts everywhere) cry
She did have a funny exchange with disgusting fat anti-GamerGate (noone's all bad) cunt Randi Lee Harper though. Where she basically told Harper to behave in a more womanly way and be kinder to Linux lusers.
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You know freebsd just uses things ported over from Linux for the most part? Uses desktops, and applications built around Linux, basically except the kernel itself, the the things tied into it, and the userland.
No glibc, gnu utils and gcc is a win in my opinion.
Freebsd just feels like you took Linux, and went back 10 years + in progress and usability.
Couldn't tell you, haven't use Linux properly since 2012. And it's my first time using FreeBSD.
Also a weird thing to bring up x11 and Wayland. Freebsd is also using x11, and Wayland.
Don't think too hard about it, it's just a poor attempt at a joke. I should've added a new line before it.
 
Last time I used NixOS I went through all the trouble to set up all my stuff and learn the language, I had a git and everything. Nix was the only distro I hopped to that wasn't objectively worse than what I already used, and now that I know more, I think it could be better. Problem is I have my setup scripts already written for Arch, and if I needed to, I could very easily replicate a system too. I never really need to do that though; I prefer to have each computer be totally different. It just felt tedious having to rewrite it all for Nix and I ended up ditching before I finished it. Changing your flow is really annoying, and I suspect that is the reason many Linux nerds don't bother with NixOS. It's just too different. Kind of a shame tbh.


EDIT: I decided to finally try daily driving it again due to your post and I was met with this bullshit on the front page:

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*sigh* And the favicon too... It's all so tiresome. At least they didn't use the tranny / brown colors & the autism awareness colors do fit the distro.
Late reply, but as someone working a devops adjacent job, NixOS seemed like such a cool thing to sink my teeth into, and I reckoned it would look great on my resume as well. Then the tranny takeover happened, which lead to near continuous drama in the community, including the creator of NixOS himself getting booted from the project, and it ended completely deflating any motivation I had. On one hand I feel like I'm being petty and a couple of terminally online trannies shouldn't affect me, but on the other hand the sheer amount of drama I keep reading about and the numerous contributors quitting the project or getting bullied off it really just makes me want to not engage with it at all. Shit sucks man :(
 
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