The Linux Thread - The Autist's OS of Choice

[Polyarmory]

Imagine your grandma trying to install steamos onto a desktop.

And yes. Opening Firefox is easy for me on Linux mint. You click the icon.

Actually. This is even dumber. Linux is available right now. On common, cheap computers. It's called chromeOS. And it absolutely is linux. It's the most nigger-cattlfied version possible. But it's Linux and it's easy for anyone to get a computer with it pre installed.

Why would Grandma be installing SteamOS? It would already be there; she probably doesn't even know what a "SteamOS" is.

That being said, the proper Linux distro for Grandma is indeed ChromeOS. I don't know why you're presenting it like you're arguing with me; the success of ChromeOS relative to "normal" Linux distros is actually an excellent example of the power of being simple and preinstalled in a device people want. (Leaving out Android, which is the best example, but we're only talking about desktops atm.)

Dell and Lenovo both offer a range of laptops with Linux preconfigured (usually ubuntu). You can also buy linux laptops at a somewhat reasonable price from other manufacturers (Slimbook, Juno, System76, and a few others). The latter can be a bit niche, but it's hardly the barren hellscape you're trying to portray it as.

Have you ever met a nontechnical person who is aware of this? I haven't.

 

[Betonhaus]

They are correct in being able to buy a Linux machine from the manufacturer, but its buried deep on OEM's websites and only available for high spec workstations.
The real turning point is when the OEM's like HP, Lenovo etc start telling Microsoft to fuck off and selling Linux machines in stores.
Which isn't happening any time soon.

to do that we need to establish what should be the standard Linux distro they use. because they tried that, but either chose Ubuntu which everyone hates or make their own distro that just adds confusion.

 

[analrapist]

hardly the barren hellscape you're trying to portray it as

It supports a troon, but you can even buy full eg. Libreboot systems these days. Computers have, at least from RMS' perspective, never been so free in so many ways. It's never been so good to be a Linux user. https://minifree.org/product/libreboot-t480.html

We're in an era of boutique computing.

 

[prollyanotherlurker]

Why would Grandma be installing SteamOS? It would already be there; she probably doesn't even know what a "SteamOS" is.

That being said, the proper Linux distro for Grandma is indeed ChromeOS. I don't know why you're presenting it like you're arguing with me; the success of ChromeOS relative to "normal" Linux distros is actually an excellent example of the power of being simple and preinstalled in a device people want. (Leaving out Android, which is the best example, but we're only talking about desktops atm.)


Have you ever met a nontechnical person who is aware of this? I haven't.

Because your argument was

SteamOS has potential to fundamentally change the OS landscape in my opinion. Everyone hates Windows, Linux is a pain in the ass and confusing, and Mac is expensive and annoying. Most people use their computers to use the browser and play video games, and SteamOS will supply those two features with less bullshit than any of the existing options right now.

When Linux mint has been here. Chromeos has been here. Steamos isn't special. And normal people can absolutely use the options that were here before it.

Ssaying that like what is already here takes a tech savvy person to use a browser. I think is wrong.

 

[Frederica Bernkastel]

Fucking sucks that android doesn't support mounting EXT4 drives by default. I wanted to turn an old phone into a media server, but I'd have to reformat the HDD just to mount it. Also, the Wine devs sure are taking their sweet ass time with the NTSYNC merge.

 

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My grandma shouldn't have to rtfm and git gud to open her emails.

Correct.

That's why Windows and Arch are bad for your grandma. She should use a Linux distribution like ChromeOS, or a more traditional UNIX like Mac OS X.

chromeOS. And it absolutely is linux. It's the most nigger-cattlfied version possible

That's NAWT TRUE.

ChromeOS uses Upstart. It is less niggerified than standard Arch with SystemD.

It should still have worked using Xwayland.

Yet... it DOESN'T. Because Wayland is FUCKED IN THE FACE.

https://docs.redhat.com/en/document...linux/10/html-single/10.0_release_notes/index

I love how RHELDOCS-20023 is less informative than no documentation at all. I challenge anyone to determine whether it was written by an Indian or a (slightly more human, more human-like reasoning) AI. My money is on Indian.

So, does this command line AI assistant support storing its query history, which I guarantee if used by Indian 'technologists' will include the usernames and passwords that they pass to the AI assistant rather than using placeholders, in "databases such as PostgreSQL or MySQL", under databases/schemas that are supposed to be locked down to the user who uses it because the credentials are stored in systemd-creds?

Because if so then anyone who can get SA permissions for that database server- which all too often may include people who've got credentials for some web application on the server which uses that backend DB- will be able to scrape credentials from the user's query history DB/schema which (knowing Indians) will allow them to elevate to root access.

https://docs.redhat.com/en/documentation/red_hat_enterprise_linux/10/html/10.0_release_notes/new-features-and-enhancements#Jira-RHELDOCS-20023

 

[The Saltening]

Yet... it DOESN'T. Because Wayland is FUCKED IN THE FACE.

I booted a game from steam with PROTON_ENABLE_WAYLAND=1 to force hdr and it caused my controller to stop working. Truly a magical piece of software.

 

[Baraka Obama]

Actually. This is even dumber. Linux is available right now. On common, cheap computers. It's called chromeOS. And it absolutely is linux. It's the most nigger-cattlfied version possible. But it's Linux and it's easy for anyone to get a computer with it pre installed.

ChromeOS is great for kids.

 

[Betonhaus]

ChromeOS is great for kids.

honestly it's also great for old people. And people who have a PHD in some esoteric field that constitutes the entirety of their knowledge.

 

[Ferryman]

I love how RHELDOCS-20023 is less informative than no documentation at all. I challenge anyone to determine whether it was written by an Indian or a (slightly more human, more human-like reasoning) AI. My money is on Indian.

So, does this command line AI assistant support storing its query history, which I guarantee if used by Indian 'technologists' will include the usernames and passwords that they pass to the AI assistant rather than using placeholders, in "databases such as PostgreSQL or MySQL", under databases/schemas that are supposed to be locked down to the user who uses it because the credentials are stored in systemd-creds?

Because if so then anyone who can get SA permissions for that database server- which all too often may include people who've got credentials for some web application on the server which uses that backend DB- will be able to scrape credentials from the user's query history DB/schema which (knowing Indians) will allow them to elevate to root access.
https://docs.redhat.com/en/document...features-and-enhancements#Jira-RHELDOCS-20023

It will 100% have passwords and usernames stored in plaintext and fed to AI raw. I guarantee you that this by the end of the year we'll see the first major case of AI leaking actual password databases since you can already prompt some of them to shit out stuff they are not supposed to. I know of at least one very large company that uses RHEL as its standard employee workstation operating system, and there are already courses & certs that study pentesting AI & ML applications, so it's only a matter of time until someone somewhere finds a way to exploit them in the wild.

 

[Oddjob OTP]

I switched to Linux as my daily driver a little more then 6 months ago; is GNOME just a hazing ritual for new users? I switched to Plasma and suddenly every fucking annoying bug disappeared (pulseaudio stopped crackling, chromium programs stopped breaking so hard I would have to restart or my system would freeze, some insane bullshit bug where WoW in Lutris would freeze for like a 10th of a second when I hit one of the Numpad bindings on my retardmmo mouse, shit still works when I wake up the system from sleep, etc etc)

It's not perfect or anything but the only thing I miss is the GNOME clipping tool not gargling dog cocks like Spectacle does but I can probably fix that

 

[analrapist]

is GNOME just a hazing ritual for new users

Depends on the user and the era. I was pro-GNOME until 3.40, but I got on the GNOME 3 train before the Mint spergs forked Cinnamon. I switched to DWM because the GNOME fags started making random, meaningless UI changes (regressions) and I realized it wasn't going to get better any more. I'd generally recommend LXDE these days unless you're a poweruser.

 

[Hieronymus Lex]

is GNOME just a hazing ritual for new users? I switched to Proton and suddenly every fucking annoying bug disappeared

You sure you didn't mean Plasma? Seems like you meant that since you mentioned Spectacle.

and no, GNOME design is just not very human.

 

[Oddjob OTP]

You sure you didn't mean Plasma? Seems like you meant that since you mentioned Spectacle.

and no, GNOME design is just not very human.

Yeah, sorry

 

[volatile puar]

You sure you didn't mean Plasma? Seems like you meant that since you mentioned Spectacle.

and no, GNOME design is just not very human.

He switched from Gnome to Plasma and accidentally called it Proton because he had games on the brain. Everyone hates Gnome but it's the default in most distros because it has a consistent release schedule that helps with distro development.

 

[Baraka Obama]

Depends on the user and the era. I was pro-GNOME until 3.40, but I got on the GNOME 3 train before the Mint spergs forked Cinnamon. I switched to DWM because the GNOME fags started making random, meaningless UI changes (regressions) and I realized it wasn't going to get better any more. I'd generally recommend LXDE these days unless you're a poweruser.

Gnome 2 was great, especially in that early KDE4 era where that was a buggy mess.

There are still some spregs keeping it going as MATE.

 

[Ahriman]

More and more of these review vids are popping up.

SteamOS has opened the floodgates for normies, this is great news.

Also,

AMDbros eatin' good tonight.

 

[eaglesfan665]

So what I get from the discussion so far is that there's no consensus on whether Linux is a proper alternative to Windows. Due to performance issues and file size bloat I'm going to be nuking my windows 10 installation soon anyway, whether to reinstall it again, move to windows 11 (something I'm not keen on at all given my experience with win10, as well as complaints I've been hearing about win11) or move to Linux, which I have been researching for the past few weeks, specifically Mint.

Now I understand that there's a steep learning curve but since I'm not retarded I think with some time I'd get to knowing my way around it just fine. My main concern and question is how much time it will take me to be able to run MS Office/Adobe Suite analogous software, which I use for work daily. I also use my pc for gaming, but I'm willing to jump through some hoops and sacrifice older games if it means I'll have a smoother, more stable and responsive OS.

 

[Penne Dreadful]

is GNOME just a hazing ritual for new users?

Not even the Gnome devs use Gnome.

 

[analrapist]

Now I understand that there's a steep learning curve but since I'm not retarded

Don't psyche yourself out. I set my 70+ year-old father up with Cinnamon on a Raspberry Pi 4 for a DC-powered rig for his camper and he's been almost entirely been fine with it. Had to show him how to change audio sources once, but his new solution to audio trouble has no issues. He only uses web browsers on the rig, though!