The Linux Thread - The Autist's OS of Choice

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Polyarmory said:
SteamOS has potential to fundamentally change the OS landscape in my opinion. Everyone hates Windows, Linux is a pain in the ass and confusing, and Mac is expensive and annoying. Most people use their computers to use the browser and play video games, and SteamOS will supply those two features with less bullshit than any of the existing options right now.
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Yeah. Linux mint is something only a mensa level genius to browse the Internet on.

Arch and Gentoo. You literally have to be a god walking amongst us on earth to use.
 
prollyanotherlurker said:
Yeah. Linux mint is something only a mensa level genius to browse the Internet on.

Arch and Gentoo. You literally have to be a god walking amongst us on earth to use.
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This attitude is exactly why Linux struggles. My grandma shouldn't have to rtfm and git gud to open her emails. While that stuff may be easy to you, even just flashing the OS onto a USB and booting the computer is a daunting and scary process for a nontechnical person. There is simply no substitute for the OS coming pre-installed.

Imagine a car company that sells cars a little bit cheaper (most of the cost is hardware), but to drive one, you had to correctly configure the engine, and when you ask the people at AutoZone for help, they just say you're too stupid to be driving a Subaru. That's where Linux is right now.
 
Polyarmory said:
This attitude is exactly why Linux struggles. My grandma shouldn't have to rtfm and git gud to open her emails. While that stuff may be easy to you, even just flashing the OS onto a USB and booting the computer is a daunting and scary process for a nontechnical person. There is simply no substitute for the OS coming pre-installed.

Imagine a car company that sells cars a little bit cheaper (most of the cost is hardware), but to drive one, you had to correctly configure the engine, and when you ask the people at AutoZone for help, they just say you're too stupid to be driving a Subaru. That's where Linux is right now.
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I think today's mood swing is "Linux is an elite club for elite members only". Try repeating this argument once the mood swing is "Linux has to dethrone Windows as the #1 desktop OS" and maybe it'll land better.
 
Polyarmory said:
This attitude is exactly why Linux struggles. My grandma shouldn't have to rtfm and git gud to open her emails. While that stuff may be easy to you, even just flashing the OS onto a USB and booting the computer is a daunting and scary process for a nontechnical person. There is simply no substitute for the OS coming pre-installed.

Imagine a car company that sells cars a little bit cheaper (most of the cost is hardware), but to drive one, you had to correctly configure the engine, and when you ask the people at AutoZone for help, they just say you're too stupid to be driving a Subaru. That's where Linux is right now.
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Arch and Gentoo users.
 
volatile puar said:
It has been possible to buy a computer pre-installed with Linux from the manufacturer for a long time.
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This is true, but afaik, you don't find stuff like that in Best Buy or whatever, which SteamOS may change.

That being said, if Windows keeps getting worse at the current rate, it's not completely unrealistic that normal people will start going out of their way for Linux machines just so that their computer will be simple and get the fuck out of the way. It's insane to me that the last Windows OS people actually liked is 15 years old at this point, and I think normal people are starting to feel real discontentment with it.
(:optimistic:)
 
Polyarmory said:
This is true, but afaik, you don't find stuff like that in Best Buy or whatever, which SteamOS may change.
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They are correct in being able to buy a Linux machine from the manufacturer, but its buried deep on OEM's websites and only available for high spec workstations.
The real turning point is when the OEM's like HP, Lenovo etc start telling Microsoft to fuck off and selling Linux machines in stores.
Which isn't happening any time soon.
 
Polyarmory said:
This attitude is exactly why Linux struggles. My grandma shouldn't have to rtfm and git gud to open her emails. While that stuff may be easy to you, even just flashing the OS onto a USB and booting the computer is a daunting and scary process for a nontechnical person. There is simply no substitute for the OS coming pre-installed.

Imagine a car company that sells cars a little bit cheaper (most of the cost is hardware), but to drive one, you had to correctly configure the engine, and when you ask the people at AutoZone for help, they just say you're too stupid to be driving a Subaru. That's where Linux is right now.
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Imagine your grandma trying to install steamos onto a desktop.

And yes. Opening Firefox is easy for me on Linux mint. You click the icon.

Actually. This is even dumber. Linux is available right now. On common, cheap computers. It's called chromeOS. And it absolutely is linux. It's the most nigger-cattlfied version possible. But it's Linux and it's easy for anyone to get a computer with it pre installed.
 
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Polyarmory said:
Imagine a car company that sells cars a little bit cheaper (most of the cost is hardware), but to drive one, you had to correctly configure the engine, and when you ask the people at AutoZone for help, they just say you're too stupid to be driving a Subaru. That's where Linux is right now.
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Dell and Lenovo both offer a range of laptops with Linux preconfigured (usually ubuntu). You can also buy linux laptops at a somewhat reasonable price from other manufacturers (Slimbook, Juno, System76, and a few others). The latter can be a bit niche, but it's hardly the barren hellscape you're trying to portray it as.
 
prollyanotherlurker said:
Imagine your grandma trying to install steamos onto a desktop.

And yes. Opening Firefox is easy for me on Linux mint. You click the icon.

Actually. This is even dumber. Linux is available right now. On common, cheap computers. It's called chromeOS. And it absolutely is linux. It's the most nigger-cattlfied version possible. But it's Linux and it's easy for anyone to get a computer with it pre installed.
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Why would Grandma be installing SteamOS? It would already be there; she probably doesn't even know what a "SteamOS" is.

That being said, the proper Linux distro for Grandma is indeed ChromeOS. I don't know why you're presenting it like you're arguing with me; the success of ChromeOS relative to "normal" Linux distros is actually an excellent example of the power of being simple and preinstalled in a device people want. (Leaving out Android, which is the best example, but we're only talking about desktops atm.)

teriyakiburns said:
Dell and Lenovo both offer a range of laptops with Linux preconfigured (usually ubuntu). You can also buy linux laptops at a somewhat reasonable price from other manufacturers (Slimbook, Juno, System76, and a few others). The latter can be a bit niche, but it's hardly the barren hellscape you're trying to portray it as.
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Have you ever met a nontechnical person who is aware of this? I haven't.
 
YoRHa No. 2 Type B said:
They are correct in being able to buy a Linux machine from the manufacturer, but its buried deep on OEM's websites and only available for high spec workstations.
The real turning point is when the OEM's like HP, Lenovo etc start telling Microsoft to fuck off and selling Linux machines in stores.
Which isn't happening any time soon.
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to do that we need to establish what should be the standard Linux distro they use. because they tried that, but either chose Ubuntu which everyone hates or make their own distro that just adds confusion.
 
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Polyarmory said:
Why would Grandma be installing SteamOS? It would already be there; she probably doesn't even know what a "SteamOS" is.

That being said, the proper Linux distro for Grandma is indeed ChromeOS. I don't know why you're presenting it like you're arguing with me; the success of ChromeOS relative to "normal" Linux distros is actually an excellent example of the power of being simple and preinstalled in a device people want. (Leaving out Android, which is the best example, but we're only talking about desktops atm.)


Have you ever met a nontechnical person who is aware of this? I haven't.
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Because your argument was

Polyarmory said:
SteamOS has potential to fundamentally change the OS landscape in my opinion. Everyone hates Windows, Linux is a pain in the ass and confusing, and Mac is expensive and annoying. Most people use their computers to use the browser and play video games, and SteamOS will supply those two features with less bullshit than any of the existing options right now.
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When Linux mint has been here. Chromeos has been here. Steamos isn't special. And normal people can absolutely use the options that were here before it.

Ssaying that like what is already here takes a tech savvy person to use a browser. I think is wrong.
 
Fucking sucks that android doesn't support mounting EXT4 drives by default. I wanted to turn an old phone into a media server, but I'd have to reformat the HDD just to mount it. Also, the Wine devs sure are taking their sweet ass time with the NTSYNC merge.
 
Polyarmory said:
My grandma shouldn't have to rtfm and git gud to open her emails.
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Correct.

That's why Windows and Arch are bad for your grandma. She should use a Linux distribution like ChromeOS, or a more traditional UNIX like Mac OS X.
prollyanotherlurker said:
chromeOS. And it absolutely is linux. It's the most nigger-cattlfied version possible
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That's NAWT TRUE.

ChromeOS uses Upstart. It is less niggerified than standard Arch with SystemD.
Susanna said:
It should still have worked using Xwayland.
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Yet... it DOESN'T. Because Wayland is FUCKED IN THE FACE.
Ahriman said:
https://docs.redhat.com/en/document...linux/10/html-single/10.0_release_notes/index
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I love how RHELDOCS-20023 is less informative than no documentation at all. I challenge anyone to determine whether it was written by an Indian or a (slightly more human, more human-like reasoning) AI. My money is on Indian.

So, does this command line AI assistant support storing its query history, which I guarantee if used by Indian 'technologists' will include the usernames and passwords that they pass to the AI assistant rather than using placeholders, in "databases such as PostgreSQL or MySQL", under databases/schemas that are supposed to be locked down to the user who uses it because the credentials are stored in systemd-creds?

Because if so then anyone who can get SA permissions for that database server- which all too often may include people who've got credentials for some web application on the server which uses that backend DB- will be able to scrape credentials from the user's query history DB/schema which (knowing Indians) will allow them to elevate to root access.
 
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I love how RHELDOCS-20023 is less informative than no documentation at all. I challenge anyone to determine whether it was written by an Indian or a (slightly more human, more human-like reasoning) AI. My money is on Indian.

So, does this command line AI assistant support storing its query history, which I guarantee if used by Indian 'technologists' will include the usernames and passwords that they pass to the AI assistant rather than using placeholders, in "databases such as PostgreSQL or MySQL", under databases/schemas that are supposed to be locked down to the user who uses it because the credentials are stored in systemd-creds?

Because if so then anyone who can get SA permissions for that database server- which all too often may include people who've got credentials for some web application on the server which uses that backend DB- will be able to scrape credentials from the user's query history DB/schema which (knowing Indians) will allow them to elevate to root access.
https://docs.redhat.com/en/document...features-and-enhancements#Jira-RHELDOCS-20023
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It will 100% have passwords and usernames stored in plaintext and fed to AI raw. I guarantee you that this by the end of the year we'll see the first major case of AI leaking actual password databases since you can already prompt some of them to shit out stuff they are not supposed to. I know of at least one very large company that uses RHEL as its standard employee workstation operating system, and there are already courses & certs that study pentesting AI & ML applications, so it's only a matter of time until someone somewhere finds a way to exploit them in the wild.
 
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