Sorry chud, we care about security. You can't have usability here. I'm off to take my HRT subsidized by Redhat.Bless the Factorio dev's heart for trying.
I've looked at what it would take to natively support Linux and quickly abandoned the idea. If it works with wine, great; if it doesn't, well.. maybe, when the year of the Linux desktop finally arrives.
I think it might be better to develop a game container platform that developers used, that way the games will work on any device that supports that container. Like if proton was ported to macOS and WindowsBless the Factorio dev's heart for trying.
I've looked at what it would take to natively support Linux and quickly abandoned the idea. If it works with wine, great; if it doesn't, well.. maybe, when the year of the Linux desktop finally arrives.
I mean containers are fine, however they don't solve all the problems, e.g. The Atrocious State Of Binary Compatibility on Linux and How To Address It.
Yep, there should have been a blessed wlroots equivalent from the start. Its no coincidence that we saw a huge influx of adoption to wayland and a number of compositors being developed once wlroots was created and became a general standard for implementation. If the project was properly managed there would have been a sister project to bring it up to feature parity for desktops early in development. There also could have been separate projects for alternative platforms like mobile, kiosks, network clients, and VR. Wayland spent far too long in an abstract bubble hoping everyone else would figure out how to actually develop user space. We are finally in a state where that problem has been resolved, 15 years later than it should've happened.
I think I've said it before but X11 was designed by Engineers who did all the leg work to make everything that was needed while Wayland was designed by marketing and they only had an abstract concept and expected others to put the work into making it a reality.
I'd argue it hasn't even been fully resolved, progress has only just been made. Because the wayland devotees are too ideologically stubborn to acknowledge genuine concerns to treat these sort of problems with the attention they deserve, it doesn't speak well for Wayland in the longer future.
Not really a good analogy imo. Wayland wasn't delayed because of marketing it was because of autism. These are low level devs who like abstract concepts and didnt want to actually focus on implementation. They lacked the foresight to realize they actually needed a solid implementation to make a functional piece of software (such a difficult concept, I know).
Wayland has reached too much of a critical mass for serious issues to be left unattended. There's a reason Valve had devs forcing through changes needed for the Steam Deck
It was developed by the kind of people who used Sun Workstations back in the late '80s (and that is where I first encountered it and thought it was better than even Apple computers of the time). It wasn't developed for them, but those old Suns often had enormous monitors and just being able to have multiple windows open and keep track of all of them simultaneously was incredible.
Let's just say I don't hate it and it works and change causes me to start autistically screeching.
Kind've the exact point I was making. Perhaps it would've been better to say that few people love or are passionate about X. Its not a highly affectionate relationship with X, its impartiality and a dislike for instability and change. With the current trajectory X will be a minority platform and Wayland will be the solution supported going forward. If, 5 years down the line, everything you're looking for works well on Wayland, and a lack of support for X starts causing issues to arise with your actual software, are you going to keep fighting with your OS daily to keep using X? I expect this is how it will go down as applications from lazy developers stop supporting X because Ubuntu and Fedora have stopped supporting it. That was one of the bigger hurdles Wayland ran into as a minority in the market, and as the marketshare flips, so will the support.
5 years down the line - assuming they've addressed things like primary monitors by then - I'm sure I'll happily switch. Right now they haven't, So I'm going to stick with something that I know works.
EXWM is called the 'Emacs X Windows Manager,'' but if that changes to the EWC 'Emacs Wayland Compositor' then maybe.
you should really be calling it wlroots/Wayland because without wlroots wayland would be nothing.
sure, but don't apps and desktops also need to support it? several desktop environments are already talking about switching exclusively to wayland, because (understandably) developers don't want to upkeep two versions of these already massive projects. and i cant imagine random internet projects made by 1 person in their free time want to do the same. i've already seen programs i want to use outright REQUIRE wayland, and refuse supporting x11.
My dad had a NeXT from like ’92, and that thing had crisper graphics than Windows up to like 2005 or something. Display PostScript really was a marvellous thing.
I have nothing against Xlibre - I just dont see it gaining any momentum or mattering in the long term. I think it may offer some value as a temporary holdover for any issues people still have with Wayland, but the inevitable end result is that software is going to stop supporting X eventually and moving over will be the practical choice.