🐱 The Men Who Want to End Circumcision in America

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https://www.advocate.com/health/2018/8/31/men-who-want-end-circumcision-america

In this clip from American Circumcision, Jonathon Conte expresses the loss of trust he experiences while coming to terms with his circumcision. He fought against the practice as an intactivist (intact + activist) pushing for babies' bodies to remain intact, just the way they were born. Two years ago, he died by suicide; he is survived by his partner, Christopher Holden.

Georgetown University professor Ryan McAllister hears the stories of many men who have been circumcised and feel they cannot share their feelings about the experience with anyone else. After hearing many traumatic and stigmatizing stories, he says, "If you are willing to accept a man's feelings about circumcision as valid, then you have to question circumcision."

The film's director, Brendon Marotta, said in an interview with Plus (The Advocate's sister magazine) that the longterm harm is undisputed, stating, "Even the most pro-circumcision doctor in our film admits the pain from circumcision creates a lasting change in behavior that has been scientifically proven. Change in behavior is a form of memory, what in this case is known as somatic memory. The idea that early life experiences can shape who we are is scientifically proven.”

Marotta goes on to connect the procedure to toxic masculinity, "When it comes to toxic masculinity or rape culture, one of our interview subjects notes that circumcision teaches men that if you are bigger and stronger than someone else, you get to do what you want to their body. It teaches this in their first shared sexual experience, the first time someone else touches their genitals, and in the relationship all other relationships will be patterned on, their relationship with their mother."
 
Also @trashbat are you sure it's your friend's son? Only a legitimate cuckold would mutilate his son for the convenience of an imaginary woman over a decade into the future.

he says he knows guys who were actually rejected for being uncut. in his view, there's a near-universal preference for circumcised men among north american women, so the foreskin is little more than a preventable social/sexual handicap. that hasn't been my experience, but he's absurdly successful with women and may know something i don't

I thought the whole point was to prevent disease too since kids don't exactly wash very often.
poor hygiene will cause disease in basically any body part
 
I thought the whole point was to prevent disease too since kids don't exactly wash very often.
Nope it's to prevent masturbation. Then it turned into "shouldn't it look like mine?"

One of the people who was gung-ho about circumcision also advocated for burning clitorises off with acid (As if that's somehow better than cutting it off?) to prevent girls from ringing the devil's doorbell. This doesn't make any sense to me, because I was under the impression that back then they didn't believe women felt sexual pleasure at all.
 
One of the people who was gung-ho about circumcision also advocated for burning clitorises off with acid (As if that's somehow better than cutting it off?) to prevent girls from ringing the devil's doorbell.

John Harvey Kellogg. Yes, the Kellogg who invented the corn flake because normal food also invited in Satan to cause diseases by being just too titillating. He founded a health cult that was the subject of the book and movie The Road to Wellville, and pimped all sorts of other insane quackery. For some reason, it was the circumcision thing and corn flakes that really stuck, although Americans being what we are, we had the sense to add sugar to them which made them a lot more popular while defeating Kellogg's weird purposes.

W.C. Post, another guy with a huge cereal company named after him, was one of his acolytes and patients. A lot of people with famous food companies named after them were in this weird health cult.
 
I don't have a horse in this race, but I don't like the idea of parents permanently changing their kid's body unless the kid really needs it. Kids can always grow up later and get circumcisions.

if i had a son i would want him to be able to make his own choices about his body when he was old enough
 
I thought the whole point was to prevent disease too since kids don't exactly wash very often.

In an age of running water out the wazoo I think it would be easier, cheaper, and safer to be a good parent and make sure your kids stay clean enough than having someone perform surgery on your baby.

Was circumcision entirely a religious thing? The "it prevents dick rot" explanation for circumcision wouldn't stand up to inspection if people in the Arabian Peninsula only started doing it when Mohammed made his OC-don't-steal fan fiction and incorporated circumcision from Judaism. I don't know if that is the case though. Anyone out there have the answer?

Edit: In present day America it's a cultural thing; a relic with a lot of inertia thanks to the Cereal magnate Kellog himself somehow convincing everyone it's a good idea (which was at it's base religious. he didn't want kids to spank the monkey)
 
Are there any actual reasons to have a circumcision besides theological bs? What medical circumstances would warrant such a procedure, even as an adult?

It prevents the transmission of HIV. Not as well as condoms, obviously, but widespread circumcision would help reduce HIV rates in countries where it is a concern, and some adult men do get circumcised for that reason in those regions. Other STDs transfer less readily in circumcised men as well.

Circumcision prevents infant UTIs. Those are unrelated to hygiene because the foreskin does not retract until much later, it isn't possible OR advisable to try to clean under it in a baby. An infant UTI can be pretty damn serious. It's not very common.

Seems like weak reasons, but they exist. Of course, scooping out your eyes prevents eye cancer, so a benefit existing isn't the end of the conversation. Outside of really specific health concerns it doesn't seem to make a big difference either way wrt health, so I wouldn't get a child circumcised.
 
While I don't like the idea of forcing it on kids, and it may be my western bias talking, but uncircumcised penises look pretty gross. I wouldn't want one anywhere near my body.

But, men should be given the option to do it when they're older, and not because their doctors were religious. After all, what good is it as a sign of religious faith if you never had an option to deny it to start with?
 
I've had girlfriends and friends that say they have rejected men who are uncircumcised whenever the subject comes up. I guess I can sort of relate because I wouldn't date a total roastie, but at the same time I'm not asking anyone to cut their labia majora off... Ultimately, I just don't think elective surgery should be legal unless medically necessary or the child is old enough to decide (intersex kids may fall under medically necessary)
 
I had to get circumcised when I was a young teen for medical reasons - during puberty my forskin became too tight for my HUGE member. Seriously though it was an awful experience. What few seem to discuss concerning circumcision is that a guy loses around 30+% of their sensitivity, which in turn make the experience of sex 30+% less potentially enjoyable.
 
I had to get circumcised when I was a young teen for medical reasons - during puberty my forskin became too tight for my HUGE member. Seriously though it was an awful experience. What few seem to discuss concerning circumcision is that a guy loses around 30+% of their sensitivity, which in turn make the experience of sex 30+% less potentially enjoyable.

What was your experience regarding sensation?
 
okay I agree that circumcision is bad, but this is exceptional:

"When it comes to toxic masculinity or rape culture, one of our interview subjects notes that circumcision teaches men that if you are bigger and stronger than someone else, you get to do what you want to their body. It teaches this in their first shared sexual experience, the first time someone else touches their genitals, and in the relationship all other relationships will be patterned on, their relationship with their mother."
Hindus don't do circumcision, but they're way rapier than American men. Maybe, just maybe, toxic masculinity and rape culture have more to do with a culture's overall values than circumcision.
 
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