Law The movement to 'Abolish ICE' is heating up -- and going mainstream - I can't believe you niggers haven't started this thread

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/30/politics/abolish-ice-movement-gaining-support-democrats/index.html
Calls to eliminate the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency, for years relegated to the far-left corners of progressive activism, have been thrust this week into the mainstream of Democratic politics.

Cracks in the dam became visible 10 days ago, when a group of demonstrators confronted Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen at a Mexican restaurant in Washington. They called for an end to the Trump administration policy that resulted in separating migrant families at the border and, as the viral protest heated up, began to chant: "Abolish ICE!"

Less than two weeks on, the demand -- a favored meme on the left -- has gone from a progressive fringe cause, mostly ignored even by some of the most liberal lawmakers, to a political message being embraced by a growing roster of influential national Democrats.

Fueling its sudden ascent have been a series of recent shocks to the system. On Tuesday, US House candidate Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez delivered a stunning Democratic primary upset in New York after campaigning on abolishing the agency, which was formed in 2003 as part of a post-9/11 federal overhaul that created the Department of Homeland Security.

Two days after Ocasio-Cortez's primary, New York's Kirsten Gillibrand became the first senator and potential 2020 candidate to announce her support for the agency's elimination. Less than 12 hours later, on Friday morning, New York Mayor Bill de Blasio joined the chorus, telling WNYC's Brian Lehrer, "ICE's time has come and gone."

"I don't think ICE today is working as intended," Gillibrand said Thursday night on CNN's "Cuomo PrimeTime." "I believe that it has become a deportation force, and I think you should separate the criminal justice from the immigration issues."

In a Facebook post on Saturday, Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren wrote, "The President's deeply immoral actions have made it obvious that we need to rebuild our immigration system from top to bottom, starting by replacing ICE with something that reflects our values," a line that mirrored her statements in a speech at a protest in Boston.

The rapid escalation was years in the making.

Progressive immigration rights activists -- during both Republican and Democratic administrations -- have come to view ICE as a rogue agency that terrorized immigrant communities. Calls for its dissolution, once rare, are spreading.

A group of 19 agents with its Homeland Security Investigations unit, which deals with complex investigations including transnational crime, recently wrote a letter to Nielsen asking her to break up the agency amid what they described as a debilitating conflation of their work with ICE's deportation activities. Concerns over the public backlash to actions by the Enforcement and Removal Operations division were, they wrote, making HSI's work impossible.

In their message -- first reported by The Texas Observer -- the agents reported that some jurisdictions had agreed only to "partner with HSI as long the 'ICE' name is excluded from any public-facing information."

On Capitol Hill, Rep. Mark Pocan of Wisconsin is now working with fellow Democratic Reps. Pramila Jayapal of Washington state and Adriano Espaillat of New York on legislation to eliminate the agency.

In an interview, Pocan said a recent series of aggressive actions by ICE had led him to conclude that it was effectively serving as President Donald Trump's "own political police force" -- a tool for creating a sense of crisis to help build support for a border wall and other hardline immigration policies.

For Pocan, Trump's call on Sunday to return immigrants who enter the country illegally without judicial proceedings was the last straw.

"The culmination of all those things, going to the border and then when the President started talking about getting rid of due process, was it," he said. "You're just kind of like, all right, this has gone way astray, and we need to start over."

But there is dissent now in the Democratic ranks.

Leading progressives, like Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders and -- until Saturday -- Warren, have stopped short of calling for ICE to be terminated outright and the Congressional Hispanic Caucus has circulated talking points advising caution -- arguing in a memo obtained by CNN that "abolishing ICE without changing President Trump's disastrous immigration policy will not solve the problem." They're not alone. Some progressives on the Hill worry that wielding the "Abolish ICE" banner would be a political gift to Trump and his allies, and that Democrats should consider a more nuanced approach.

Republicans are casting progressive calls to abolish the agency and the recent momentum in the Democratic Party as a move to the far left, evidence that Democrats are weak on border security and immigration enforcement.

"Recent calls to abolish ICE are dangerously misguided," agency spokeswoman Jennifer D. Elzea said in an email. "Instead of being insulted with politically-motivated attacks, the men and women of ICE should be praised for risking life and limb every day in the name of national security and public safety."

The President in a pair of tweets Saturday that abolishing ICE would "never happen,"adding that its employees are "one of the smartest, toughest and most spirited law enforcement groups of men and women that I have ever seen."

Activists and progressive leaders are pressing on, becoming more aggressive in their push to abolish the agency, an effort many in the movement view as both a way to open up the debate over decades of bipartisan US immigration policy and, crucially, win elections.

"The Democratic Party had a reckoning about the crime bill, financial deregulation and about welfare reform, but it never really had a reckoning about their complicity in creating both the intellectual framework for this sort of policy," said Sean McElwee, a leading activist in the anti-ICE movementand early supporter of Ocasio-Cortez's campaign. He cited the 28-year-old Democratic socialist's unapologetic embrace of the issue as a key factor in her Tuesday triumph.

"She had an actual campaign strategy that revolved around ICE, and it was very smart, because (incumbent Rep. Joe) Crowley was weak on immigration and she knew that he would never be able to get where he needed to be to win that primary," McElwee said. "So she just hammered him on it. She didn't shy away from saying it. She put it in her ads. She ran on the issue. She challenged him in the debate. I think 'Abolish ICE' is where it is today because of her leadership."

Efforts to further escalate the fight beyond the electoral realm are already in motion. The Democratic Socialists of America, which reported its largest spike in new, dues-paying members since Trump's election on the day after Ocasio-Cortez's win, are planning a national campaign to ramp up the pressure.

Maria Svart, the group's national director, said the organization is ready to "apply pressure wherever possible to lift up the narrative that ICE is horrific, has no place in our communities and needs to be abolished."

"That looks different in different places," she said. "We have chapters in every state in the country, and folks are doing everything from vigils to encampment to bird-dogging to really raise this issue in the public eye and say, 'We do not submit to this.' "

Protests have already begun to grow in size and frequency. By Friday afternoon, police in Philadelphia had made six arrests outside the city's ICE office amid a heated demonstration, as crowds chanted, "I'd rather go to jail than go to a detention center."

Philadelphia City Council member Helen Gym recorded and tweeted out video of the scenes.

Activists are also seeking to expand the moral dimension of the fight. Hartford City Councilwoman Wildaliz Bermudez, of the Working Families Party, said the visceral nature of reporting from the border during the height of the family separation crisis pushed the movement toward a tipping point.

She likened the situation to what followed the white supremacist rallies last summer in Charlottesville, Virginia.

"It has to be a unified front (in response to ICE)," Bermudez said, "because like when you have people chanting on the street, 'You will not replace us,' they're not just talking about Jews. They're talking about everyone."

Now let me explain the funny to you faggots. ICE has no control over the border. ICE rounds up illegals already in the country. Here you have a bunch of uninformed tards screeching to abolish ICE because they lock up families on the border
 
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Here's a neat trick, next time they pull that "all our ancestors were immigrants" bullshit, ask them how the Native Americans feel about unfettered immigration.
Well, you see, that's just another reason why we shouldn't try to keep other people out. It's not even ours, man! We stole it from those peace loving injuns!

It does seem like the root belief this mindset is based on is that the USA is illegitimate, but they won't go so far as to say that and lose all electability. But it's always where the conversation ends up.
 
As if the if US had never been colonized by Europeans and become a first world country/countries on its own the natives wouldn't have immigration laws.
Honest question is there anyone out there that really thinks they had a fighting chance once a few hundred Spanish with steel, horses and guns took over one of the largest cities in the world not just in the Americas but big enough to rival Rome or London? After that what was ever the largest amassing of tribal warriors somewhere between four to eight thousand? Nah no way the Europeans up until that time had gone up against a lot nastier and larger forces whether it be the Gauls or Germanic barbarians, the Mongols and the Moors so they knew how to handle tribal peoples when arriving.
 
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Well, you see, the natives were pretty much right on the verge of a worldwide utopia, then whitey showed up with his germs and one sided treaties...

I'm well aware that human history is rife with conquest, and the only reason we know about some people's awfulness more than others was because some had more honest historians than others (Or they just had no method of recording history).
 
Honest question is there anyone out there that really thinks they had a fighting chance once a few hundred Spanish with steel, horses and guns took over one of the largest cities in the world not just in the Americas but big enough to rival Rome or London? After that what was ever the largest amassing of tribal warriors somewhere between four to eight thousand? Nah no way the Europeans up until that time had gone up against a lot nastier and larger forces whether it be the Gauls or Germanic barbarians, the Mongols and the Moors so they knew how to handle tribal peoples when arriving.

No Stone Age society could survive even contact with a steel age or greater society. It’s the Darwinian nature of civilizations. Once contact occurred the less advanced civilization was pretty much doomed. It would either be subsumed by the more advanced society, or it would wither and fade.
 
Bernie fails the purity test
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Bernie fails the purity test
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No, it's the latest evidence that he doesn't have complete shit for brains and realizes this is a dumb thing to argue for. Why not abolish gravity? I don't like gravity either! I don't know why the fuck these morons think it's even a doable thing to abolish immigration law entirely and just let teeming hordes of MS-13 and other cartels to flood across the border and bring a wave of rape, murder and other crimes along with them.
 
I don't know why the fuck these morons think it's even a doable thing to abolish immigration law entirely and just let teeming hordes of MS-13 and other cartels to flood across the border and bring a wave of rape, murder and other crimes along with them.

Their ideology is one that is constantly and consistently pushing against the status quo (basically anything they perceive as "right wing"), if it pisses off republicans they instantly think it must be something that they should accomplish. They don't know or understand why they're taking the position that they are other than that reasoning, and even they know how fucking childish it sounds so they'll never admit it publicly.
 
Honest question is there anyone out there that really thinks they had a fighting chance once a few hundred Spanish with steel, horses and guns took over one of the largest cities in the world not just in the Americas but big enough to rival Rome or London? After that what was ever the largest amassing of tribal warriors somewhere between four to eight thousand? Nah no way the Europeans up until that time had gone up against a lot nastier and larger forces whether it be the Gauls or Germanic barbarians, the Mongols and the Moors so they knew how to handle tribal peoples when arriving.
Keep in mind that the Spanish also had allies in rival tribes who hated the Aztecs and helped them in routing them and raping them in battle. The first fight between them had the Spanish fleeing to Cuba and then coming back not underestimating the Aztecs.

Yes guns help but even if they all had machine guns they are grossly outnumbered by people whose entire society is built around war, death, and enslaving others. You still need to know what you're doing.
 
I think the author of that piece would disagree with you in your characterization of the poor misunderstood POCs as wantonly cruel murderers

The Aztecs were fucking awesome. They were the closest thing to Americans that existed in the ancient world. They murdered people just for the sheer fucking fun of it.

I think the author of that piece would disagree with you in your characterization of the poor misunderstood POCs as wantonly cruel murderers

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Human sacrifice was just part of their culture. Fuck the religious bigotry of this tranny whore.
 
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Well, you see, that's just another reason why we shouldn't try to keep other people out. It's not even ours, man! We stole it from those peace loving injuns!

It does seem like the root belief this mindset is based on is that the USA is illegitimate, but they won't go so far as to say that and lose all electability. But it's always where the conversation ends up.

Native Americans were hardcore. One tribe down where I grew up were cannibals (the Karankawa tribe). Just because natives raped and enslaved each other with such fervor to make a genteel plantation owner with a fetish for brown sugar blush doesn't mean they weren't a beautiful culture. They were too busy with other more important shit to develop the printing press. Like, I dunno, bangin' and eatin' funny mushrooms.

Anyway, in all seriousness, whitey took redskin land fair and square through glorious battle and conquest. And threats of annihilation. A mob of drunken Texans won their nation in pitched battle, slaughtering the enemy while they slept and while their commander fucked a mulatto girl, if the myths hold true. Which...wasn't a pitched battle at all, really. Dastardly ambush, perhaps.

If spics want their rightful clay then they need to gather up some huevos and fight a war for it. All this insidious sneaking over the border and popping out little wetbacks is pussy shit. Lay siege to some American cities, goddamn. Bring some excitement into this boring ass world.

The last two times they've tried haven't worked, but third time is a charm.
 
The Karankawa also used alligator fat as mosquito repellent. The stink alone would justify any number of genocides.
 
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Abolish ICE has a co-founder called Sean McElwee.

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Of fucking course he's some white dude from Connetticut who rants about nothing but race despite looking like he's never set foot in a grubby neighbourhood in his life and is no doubt going about trying to save the noble, innocent POC. He no doubt will fuck things up for the lower downs some more (mainly the Black and Hispanic neighbourhoods) then zoom off to his white suburb.

Hey, anyone else count more than the three fucking people I can see who seem to be black/latino and wouldn't get called out by some twitter tard that they all look white?
 
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