Law The movement to 'Abolish ICE' is heating up -- and going mainstream - I can't believe you niggers haven't started this thread

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/30/politics/abolish-ice-movement-gaining-support-democrats/index.html
Calls to eliminate the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency, for years relegated to the far-left corners of progressive activism, have been thrust this week into the mainstream of Democratic politics.

Cracks in the dam became visible 10 days ago, when a group of demonstrators confronted Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen at a Mexican restaurant in Washington. They called for an end to the Trump administration policy that resulted in separating migrant families at the border and, as the viral protest heated up, began to chant: "Abolish ICE!"

Less than two weeks on, the demand -- a favored meme on the left -- has gone from a progressive fringe cause, mostly ignored even by some of the most liberal lawmakers, to a political message being embraced by a growing roster of influential national Democrats.

Fueling its sudden ascent have been a series of recent shocks to the system. On Tuesday, US House candidate Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez delivered a stunning Democratic primary upset in New York after campaigning on abolishing the agency, which was formed in 2003 as part of a post-9/11 federal overhaul that created the Department of Homeland Security.

Two days after Ocasio-Cortez's primary, New York's Kirsten Gillibrand became the first senator and potential 2020 candidate to announce her support for the agency's elimination. Less than 12 hours later, on Friday morning, New York Mayor Bill de Blasio joined the chorus, telling WNYC's Brian Lehrer, "ICE's time has come and gone."

"I don't think ICE today is working as intended," Gillibrand said Thursday night on CNN's "Cuomo PrimeTime." "I believe that it has become a deportation force, and I think you should separate the criminal justice from the immigration issues."

In a Facebook post on Saturday, Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren wrote, "The President's deeply immoral actions have made it obvious that we need to rebuild our immigration system from top to bottom, starting by replacing ICE with something that reflects our values," a line that mirrored her statements in a speech at a protest in Boston.

The rapid escalation was years in the making.

Progressive immigration rights activists -- during both Republican and Democratic administrations -- have come to view ICE as a rogue agency that terrorized immigrant communities. Calls for its dissolution, once rare, are spreading.

A group of 19 agents with its Homeland Security Investigations unit, which deals with complex investigations including transnational crime, recently wrote a letter to Nielsen asking her to break up the agency amid what they described as a debilitating conflation of their work with ICE's deportation activities. Concerns over the public backlash to actions by the Enforcement and Removal Operations division were, they wrote, making HSI's work impossible.

In their message -- first reported by The Texas Observer -- the agents reported that some jurisdictions had agreed only to "partner with HSI as long the 'ICE' name is excluded from any public-facing information."

On Capitol Hill, Rep. Mark Pocan of Wisconsin is now working with fellow Democratic Reps. Pramila Jayapal of Washington state and Adriano Espaillat of New York on legislation to eliminate the agency.

In an interview, Pocan said a recent series of aggressive actions by ICE had led him to conclude that it was effectively serving as President Donald Trump's "own political police force" -- a tool for creating a sense of crisis to help build support for a border wall and other hardline immigration policies.

For Pocan, Trump's call on Sunday to return immigrants who enter the country illegally without judicial proceedings was the last straw.

"The culmination of all those things, going to the border and then when the President started talking about getting rid of due process, was it," he said. "You're just kind of like, all right, this has gone way astray, and we need to start over."

But there is dissent now in the Democratic ranks.

Leading progressives, like Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders and -- until Saturday -- Warren, have stopped short of calling for ICE to be terminated outright and the Congressional Hispanic Caucus has circulated talking points advising caution -- arguing in a memo obtained by CNN that "abolishing ICE without changing President Trump's disastrous immigration policy will not solve the problem." They're not alone. Some progressives on the Hill worry that wielding the "Abolish ICE" banner would be a political gift to Trump and his allies, and that Democrats should consider a more nuanced approach.

Republicans are casting progressive calls to abolish the agency and the recent momentum in the Democratic Party as a move to the far left, evidence that Democrats are weak on border security and immigration enforcement.

"Recent calls to abolish ICE are dangerously misguided," agency spokeswoman Jennifer D. Elzea said in an email. "Instead of being insulted with politically-motivated attacks, the men and women of ICE should be praised for risking life and limb every day in the name of national security and public safety."

The President in a pair of tweets Saturday that abolishing ICE would "never happen,"adding that its employees are "one of the smartest, toughest and most spirited law enforcement groups of men and women that I have ever seen."

Activists and progressive leaders are pressing on, becoming more aggressive in their push to abolish the agency, an effort many in the movement view as both a way to open up the debate over decades of bipartisan US immigration policy and, crucially, win elections.

"The Democratic Party had a reckoning about the crime bill, financial deregulation and about welfare reform, but it never really had a reckoning about their complicity in creating both the intellectual framework for this sort of policy," said Sean McElwee, a leading activist in the anti-ICE movementand early supporter of Ocasio-Cortez's campaign. He cited the 28-year-old Democratic socialist's unapologetic embrace of the issue as a key factor in her Tuesday triumph.

"She had an actual campaign strategy that revolved around ICE, and it was very smart, because (incumbent Rep. Joe) Crowley was weak on immigration and she knew that he would never be able to get where he needed to be to win that primary," McElwee said. "So she just hammered him on it. She didn't shy away from saying it. She put it in her ads. She ran on the issue. She challenged him in the debate. I think 'Abolish ICE' is where it is today because of her leadership."

Efforts to further escalate the fight beyond the electoral realm are already in motion. The Democratic Socialists of America, which reported its largest spike in new, dues-paying members since Trump's election on the day after Ocasio-Cortez's win, are planning a national campaign to ramp up the pressure.

Maria Svart, the group's national director, said the organization is ready to "apply pressure wherever possible to lift up the narrative that ICE is horrific, has no place in our communities and needs to be abolished."

"That looks different in different places," she said. "We have chapters in every state in the country, and folks are doing everything from vigils to encampment to bird-dogging to really raise this issue in the public eye and say, 'We do not submit to this.' "

Protests have already begun to grow in size and frequency. By Friday afternoon, police in Philadelphia had made six arrests outside the city's ICE office amid a heated demonstration, as crowds chanted, "I'd rather go to jail than go to a detention center."

Philadelphia City Council member Helen Gym recorded and tweeted out video of the scenes.

Activists are also seeking to expand the moral dimension of the fight. Hartford City Councilwoman Wildaliz Bermudez, of the Working Families Party, said the visceral nature of reporting from the border during the height of the family separation crisis pushed the movement toward a tipping point.

She likened the situation to what followed the white supremacist rallies last summer in Charlottesville, Virginia.

"It has to be a unified front (in response to ICE)," Bermudez said, "because like when you have people chanting on the street, 'You will not replace us,' they're not just talking about Jews. They're talking about everyone."

Now let me explain the funny to you faggots. ICE has no control over the border. ICE rounds up illegals already in the country. Here you have a bunch of uninformed tards screeching to abolish ICE because they lock up families on the border
 
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I think the author of that piece would disagree with you in your characterization of the poor misunderstood POCs as wantonly cruel murderers

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Well Lizzie...killing a man is a hell of a thing. You take away all he's got, and all he's ever gonna have.

9/10 advanced modern civilizations agree that murder is bad and we don't please our gods by shedding blood.
 
Abolish ICE has a co-founder called Sean McElwee.

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Always beware the problem glasses.

A quick perusal of his Twatter reveals no easily accessible plan, rationale, or policy for abolishing ICE, but if you're looking to donate to his Patreon or purchase an "Abolish ICE" onesie for your woke infant, he's got you covered.
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Always beware the problem glasses.

A quick perusal of his Twatter reveals no easily accessible plan, rationale, or policy for abolishing ICE, but if you're looking to donate to his Patreon or purchase an "Abolish ICE" onesie for your woke infant, he's got you covered.
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Colour me fucking shocked he's using this stupid thing to scam people and sell shit.

If you go find his website as well you see the usual bullshit about how Trump supporters are all uneducated dullards obsessed with race too.
 
Abolish ICE is going to end the same way all the other all the other "Occupy", "Lives Matter" and "Pussy Hat" shit ended, with the petulant children crying themselves out, getting bored and hungry, and then wandering away to the next manufactured outrage the media spoon-feeds them.

The only impact that will have been made will be the piss puddles, shit piles, and mountains of garbage they've left in their wake that taxpayer dollars will clean up and hose off.
 
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Well, you see, that's just another reason why we shouldn't try to keep other people out. It's not even ours, man! We stole it from those peace loving injuns!

It does seem like the root belief this mindset is based on is that the USA is illegitimate, but they won't go so far as to say that and lose all electability. But it's always where the conversation ends up.
It is actually fascinating to read up on the contacts between natives and europeans in north america since it demonstrates beyond all doubts that the natives were as fucking ordinary in...

a) their greed (i.e. how they had a full on resource war with eachother trying to hunt beavers to sell skins to the british and french for guns and equipment which led into the 7 years war which was a full on proto world war)

b) their violence (unprovoked attacks on eachother and european settlers for loot or just to prove a point)

c) their cynical exploitation of fellow humans (i.e their widespread embrace of slavery to the point where some native american nations like the Creek and Chocataw sided with the goddamn confederates)

d) their realpolitik (i.e. repeatedly allying with europeans in order to have the europeans eliminate their own native rivals)

e) their capacity for balls to the wall ISIS level rape torture mutilate shit (i.e. just about everything the Comanche did)

...as any european culture or nation. Infact they had been doing shit like this since goddamn prehistory as shown by the fact that mass graves of slaughtered, scalped, and desecrated skeletons from the past few thousand years still get dug up all accross the US on a fairly regular basis.

Infact the only reason Native Americans wound up largely dying out while africans and didnt when europe started colonising and setting up settlements is because while asia and africa were linked to europe in the global trade of disease and immunity, the americas were not and thus they were doomed the moment non americans started arriving in america in large numbers.

The whole myth about the native americans being peaceful uber proto-hippies crushed by the FFFFFUCKING WHITE MAAAAAAAALE super-proto-nazi empire is a masturbatory redeemed-sinner myth spun by pampered white liberals desperate to construct some cosmic "good and kind and perfect and peaceful victims vs evil and sadistic and subhuman and violent victimizer (AND IM TOTES A SPECIAL SNOWFLAKE REDEEMED VICTIMIZER WHO IS FIGHTING MY OWN KIND GUIZ!)" fanfic tier narrative to justify their contempt for other white people who dont share their dogma, and retconning the native americans as ultimate saints and europeans as ultimate sinners (instead of just two cultures of shifty niggers who treated eachother with the same abuse and cynicism they treated their fellow natives/europeans) gives them the perfect opportunity to do so.
 
They only impact that will have been made will be the piss puddles, shit piles and mountains of garbage they've left in their wake that taxpayer dollars will clean up and hose off.

Don't forget the impact they'll have at the polling stations in the midterms. Probably one of the only times the donkey's been the catcher in a donkey show.
 
There was a livestream last night of ICE taking down barricades in front of the detention centers, I'll see if I can find the link.

It is actually fascinating to read up on the contacts between natives and europeans in north america since it demonstrates beyond all doubts that the natives were as fucking ordinary in...

a) their greed (i.e. how they had a full on resource war with eachother trying to hunt beavers to sell skins to the british and french for guns and equipment which led into the 7 years war which was a full on proto world war)

b) their violence (unprovoked attacks on eachother and european settlers for loot or just to prove a point)

c) their cynical exploitation of fellow humans (i.e their widespread embrace of slavery to the point where some native american nations like the Creek and Chocataw sided with the goddamn confederates)

d) their realpolitik (i.e. repeatedly allying with europeans in order to have the europeans eliminate their own native rivals)

e) their capacity for balls to the wall ISIS level rape torture mutilate shit (i.e. just about everything the Comanche did)

...as any european culture or nation. Infact they had been doing shit like this since goddamn prehistory as shown by the fact that mass graves of slaughtered, scalped, and desecrated skeletons from the past few thousand years still get dug up all accross the US on a fairly regular basis.

Infact the only reason Native Americans wound up largely dying out while africans and didnt when europe started colonising and setting up settlements is because while asia and africa were linked to europe in the global trade of disease and immunity, the americas were not and thus they were doomed the moment non americans started arriving in america in large numbers.

The whole myth about the native americans being peaceful uber proto-hippies crushed by the FFFFFUCKING WHITE MAAAAAAAALE super-proto-nazi empire is a masturbatory redeemed-sinner myth spun by pampered white liberals desperate to construct some cosmic "good and kind and perfect and peaceful victims vs evil and sadistic and subhuman and violent victimizer (AND IM TOTES A SPECIAL SNOWFLAKE REDEEMED VICTIMIZER WHO IS FIGHTING MY OWN KIND GUIZ!)" fanfic tier narrative to justify their contempt for other white people who dont share their dogma, and retconning the native americans as ultimate saints and europeans as ultimate sinners (instead of just two cultures of shifty niggers who treated eachother with the same abuse and cynicism they treated their fellow natives/europeans) gives them the perfect opportunity to do so.

Don't want to make it look like I don't believe you, but you have any links for those points? Would love to read up more about it
 
Don't want to make it look like I don't believe you, but you have any links for those points? Would love to read up more about it

Go read Pekka Hamalainen's book The Comanche Empire. They were basically the Mongols of North America. According to the book, the Great Plains was the most violent place on Earth (the equivalent of Syria, Afghanistan, rural Mexico, etc.) during most of the 19th century thanks to endless warfare between the Comanche, Sioux, Shoshone, Cheyenne, etc. If you were a man, you'd probably be dead by 30 from fighting other Indians or sometimes raiding the white man (or just stupid shit to prove your manhood like trying to kill an adult bison with a knife--yeah, "using every part of the buffalo" is a myth). If you were a woman, you'd also be dead by 30 because you'd die in childbirth or maybe get raped and killed by some other Indian (or white man).
 
I thought it was common knowledge that Native Americans were violent as fuck, even before the evil European white man came and influenced them.

Learned that shit way back in elementary school. Even movies in the 90s showcased that they were violent all on their own! Even Apocalypto showed off typical violence of theirs.
 
That's just it. People have always been people, conquest was not suddenly invented by a white man one day. People have been killing each other and taking their stuff since there's been stuff to take.

However, we've gotten more civilized. Regardless of the self loathing, humanity is in a better place than we were a millennium ago. The fact that people want to romanticize the past to make it seems like humanity has gotten worse is self defeating. We should be celebrating our ascent to greater heights of civilization. Not flagellating ourselves and abandoning our own agency in advancing humanity.
 
Bernie fails the purity test
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Are they seriously trying to rationalize this as being "not Left enough?" Also, the Twitter account for that author is one of the whiniest, most stereo-typically millennial accounts I've seen for quite a damned while. Half of her friggin' posts are jokes about depression or socialism or being tired.
 
Go read Pekka Hamalainen's book The Comanche Empire. They were basically the Mongols of North America. According to the book, the Great Plains was the most violent place on Earth (the equivalent of Syria, Afghanistan, rural Mexico, etc.) during most of the 19th century thanks to endless warfare between the Comanche, Sioux, Shoshone, Cheyenne, etc. If you were a man, you'd probably be dead by 30 from fighting other Indians or sometimes raiding the white man (or just stupid shit to prove your manhood like trying to kill an adult bison with a knife--yeah, "using every part of the buffalo" is a myth). If you were a woman, you'd also be dead by 30 because you'd die in childbirth or maybe get raped and killed by some other Indian (or white man).

As a history buff and a native Texan I've read quite a bit about the Comanche and their brutality is described in intimate detail and consistency in the testimonies of various people who've survived being captured by them. And those testimonies are way more recent and reliable than a lot of other historical atrocities that might be exaggerated, but are nonetheless far more well known.

The notion that Native Americans (and the planes Indians specifically, which most people associate with the stereotypical image of them) lived in piece and tranquility prior to the arrival of Europeans and learning their evil ways is more backwards than the notion of the noble savage.
 
As a history buff and a native Texan I've read quite a bit about the Comanche and their brutality is described in intimate detail and consistency in the testimonies of various people who've survived being captured by them. And those testimonies are way more recent and reliable than a lot of other historical atrocities that might be exaggerated, but are nonetheless far more well known.

The notion that Native Americans (and the planes Indians specifically, which most people associate with the stereotypical image of them) lived in piece and tranquility prior to the arrival of Europeans and learning their evil ways is more backwards than the notion of the noble savage.
The Sack of Victoria, Texas was like something out of the Thirty Years War in terms of the callous disregard for human life, especially that of infants and children. If it weren't for the overshadowing and grandiose scale of the Texas Revolution and the Mexican War, the Comanche raids would have had a much more prominent place in the historical memory
 
Jumping back to the Native American discussion, just wanted to point out that the Indians were warlike AF and would have outnmbered the paleskins at the outset. It took the settlers a couple centuries to gain the upper hand and herd them into reservations.

It was a straight-up war, and the whiteys won fair and square. Sad, but it doesn't make anyone more monstrous than any other people group.
 
As an actual kiwi Im watching this from the outside in and to me it simply appears that the democrats have completely lost their fucking minds.

A) pulling a four year long tantrum is not going to help you or enable you to run anything especially the way it's framed now. All it'll do is piss off people and ensure a republican government and a general population that will tell you to neck yourself if you decide to play oppression Olympics in public.

B) Have any of them considered that actions have consequences. Or that maybe shitty countries are shitty countries for a reason and that allowing every backwards ass primitive retard from the most backwards parts of the world, probably isn't going end brilliantly.
 
As an actual kiwi Im watching this from the outside in and to me it simply appears that the democrats have completely lost their fucking minds.

A) pulling a four year long tantrum is not going to help you or enable you to run anything especially the way it's framed now. All it'll do is piss off people and ensure a republican government and a general population that will tell you to neck yourself if you decide to play oppression Olympics in public.

B) Have any of them considered that actions have consequences. Or that maybe shitty countries are shitty countries for a reason and that allowing every backwards ass primitive exceptional individual from the most backwards parts of the world, probably isn't going end brilliantly.

Ah but you forgot:

C) When they give the illegals amnesty they'll soon find out that as a citizen they're just as if not even more unemployable than any other person in their income bracket, and will be bitter and destitute, not thankful and loyal.
 
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