Law The movement to 'Abolish ICE' is heating up -- and going mainstream - I can't believe you niggers haven't started this thread

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/30/politics/abolish-ice-movement-gaining-support-democrats/index.html
Calls to eliminate the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency, for years relegated to the far-left corners of progressive activism, have been thrust this week into the mainstream of Democratic politics.

Cracks in the dam became visible 10 days ago, when a group of demonstrators confronted Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen at a Mexican restaurant in Washington. They called for an end to the Trump administration policy that resulted in separating migrant families at the border and, as the viral protest heated up, began to chant: "Abolish ICE!"

Less than two weeks on, the demand -- a favored meme on the left -- has gone from a progressive fringe cause, mostly ignored even by some of the most liberal lawmakers, to a political message being embraced by a growing roster of influential national Democrats.

Fueling its sudden ascent have been a series of recent shocks to the system. On Tuesday, US House candidate Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez delivered a stunning Democratic primary upset in New York after campaigning on abolishing the agency, which was formed in 2003 as part of a post-9/11 federal overhaul that created the Department of Homeland Security.

Two days after Ocasio-Cortez's primary, New York's Kirsten Gillibrand became the first senator and potential 2020 candidate to announce her support for the agency's elimination. Less than 12 hours later, on Friday morning, New York Mayor Bill de Blasio joined the chorus, telling WNYC's Brian Lehrer, "ICE's time has come and gone."

"I don't think ICE today is working as intended," Gillibrand said Thursday night on CNN's "Cuomo PrimeTime." "I believe that it has become a deportation force, and I think you should separate the criminal justice from the immigration issues."

In a Facebook post on Saturday, Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren wrote, "The President's deeply immoral actions have made it obvious that we need to rebuild our immigration system from top to bottom, starting by replacing ICE with something that reflects our values," a line that mirrored her statements in a speech at a protest in Boston.

The rapid escalation was years in the making.

Progressive immigration rights activists -- during both Republican and Democratic administrations -- have come to view ICE as a rogue agency that terrorized immigrant communities. Calls for its dissolution, once rare, are spreading.

A group of 19 agents with its Homeland Security Investigations unit, which deals with complex investigations including transnational crime, recently wrote a letter to Nielsen asking her to break up the agency amid what they described as a debilitating conflation of their work with ICE's deportation activities. Concerns over the public backlash to actions by the Enforcement and Removal Operations division were, they wrote, making HSI's work impossible.

In their message -- first reported by The Texas Observer -- the agents reported that some jurisdictions had agreed only to "partner with HSI as long the 'ICE' name is excluded from any public-facing information."

On Capitol Hill, Rep. Mark Pocan of Wisconsin is now working with fellow Democratic Reps. Pramila Jayapal of Washington state and Adriano Espaillat of New York on legislation to eliminate the agency.

In an interview, Pocan said a recent series of aggressive actions by ICE had led him to conclude that it was effectively serving as President Donald Trump's "own political police force" -- a tool for creating a sense of crisis to help build support for a border wall and other hardline immigration policies.

For Pocan, Trump's call on Sunday to return immigrants who enter the country illegally without judicial proceedings was the last straw.

"The culmination of all those things, going to the border and then when the President started talking about getting rid of due process, was it," he said. "You're just kind of like, all right, this has gone way astray, and we need to start over."

But there is dissent now in the Democratic ranks.

Leading progressives, like Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders and -- until Saturday -- Warren, have stopped short of calling for ICE to be terminated outright and the Congressional Hispanic Caucus has circulated talking points advising caution -- arguing in a memo obtained by CNN that "abolishing ICE without changing President Trump's disastrous immigration policy will not solve the problem." They're not alone. Some progressives on the Hill worry that wielding the "Abolish ICE" banner would be a political gift to Trump and his allies, and that Democrats should consider a more nuanced approach.

Republicans are casting progressive calls to abolish the agency and the recent momentum in the Democratic Party as a move to the far left, evidence that Democrats are weak on border security and immigration enforcement.

"Recent calls to abolish ICE are dangerously misguided," agency spokeswoman Jennifer D. Elzea said in an email. "Instead of being insulted with politically-motivated attacks, the men and women of ICE should be praised for risking life and limb every day in the name of national security and public safety."

The President in a pair of tweets Saturday that abolishing ICE would "never happen,"adding that its employees are "one of the smartest, toughest and most spirited law enforcement groups of men and women that I have ever seen."

Activists and progressive leaders are pressing on, becoming more aggressive in their push to abolish the agency, an effort many in the movement view as both a way to open up the debate over decades of bipartisan US immigration policy and, crucially, win elections.

"The Democratic Party had a reckoning about the crime bill, financial deregulation and about welfare reform, but it never really had a reckoning about their complicity in creating both the intellectual framework for this sort of policy," said Sean McElwee, a leading activist in the anti-ICE movementand early supporter of Ocasio-Cortez's campaign. He cited the 28-year-old Democratic socialist's unapologetic embrace of the issue as a key factor in her Tuesday triumph.

"She had an actual campaign strategy that revolved around ICE, and it was very smart, because (incumbent Rep. Joe) Crowley was weak on immigration and she knew that he would never be able to get where he needed to be to win that primary," McElwee said. "So she just hammered him on it. She didn't shy away from saying it. She put it in her ads. She ran on the issue. She challenged him in the debate. I think 'Abolish ICE' is where it is today because of her leadership."

Efforts to further escalate the fight beyond the electoral realm are already in motion. The Democratic Socialists of America, which reported its largest spike in new, dues-paying members since Trump's election on the day after Ocasio-Cortez's win, are planning a national campaign to ramp up the pressure.

Maria Svart, the group's national director, said the organization is ready to "apply pressure wherever possible to lift up the narrative that ICE is horrific, has no place in our communities and needs to be abolished."

"That looks different in different places," she said. "We have chapters in every state in the country, and folks are doing everything from vigils to encampment to bird-dogging to really raise this issue in the public eye and say, 'We do not submit to this.' "

Protests have already begun to grow in size and frequency. By Friday afternoon, police in Philadelphia had made six arrests outside the city's ICE office amid a heated demonstration, as crowds chanted, "I'd rather go to jail than go to a detention center."

Philadelphia City Council member Helen Gym recorded and tweeted out video of the scenes.

Activists are also seeking to expand the moral dimension of the fight. Hartford City Councilwoman Wildaliz Bermudez, of the Working Families Party, said the visceral nature of reporting from the border during the height of the family separation crisis pushed the movement toward a tipping point.

She likened the situation to what followed the white supremacist rallies last summer in Charlottesville, Virginia.

"It has to be a unified front (in response to ICE)," Bermudez said, "because like when you have people chanting on the street, 'You will not replace us,' they're not just talking about Jews. They're talking about everyone."

Now let me explain the funny to you faggots. ICE has no control over the border. ICE rounds up illegals already in the country. Here you have a bunch of uninformed tards screeching to abolish ICE because they lock up families on the border
 
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I recently found this image and it perfectly explains why Democrats support shit like this.

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This is really what it's about. Illegal supporters want maximum profit (or comfort, not having to do their own landscaping/nannying/cleaning) and don't want to pay minimum wage or deal with workplace safety compliance.

Basically, they want to make their own lives more comfortable by exploiting an underprivileged 2nd class citizen with no accountability or comeuppance.
 
I recently found this image and it perfectly explains why Democrats support shit like this.

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The same argument is made for farm workers here in the UK, which pays a minimum wage (meaning most brits can't afford to work it) for ultra long hours. But we're all now going to starve to death because farm workers won't be able to come from the EU post-Brexit.

In the same breath as this on Countryfile once, they then had a farmer showing how he'd reduced staff needs from 12 to 4 by buying a single piece of equipment, and the UK just recently completed the first ever drone crop using old farming equipment and tech bolted onto it rather than it all being fancy new kit. It farmed a hectare without a single human being coming into contact with the machinery.
 
This Comanche stuff is pretty surprising. I grew up near modern day Comanche territory and was aware of the tribe but didn't know anything about the past. Native american history was a lot of "they used every part of the buffalo, uwu" and how they learned scalping from white people and the trail of tears. It wasn't like it was a liberal area either.
 
You know with the " nobody is illegal " phrase dems keep shouting that sounds pretty nice , if nobody is illegal does that mean non mexican kiwis can come down to mexico maybe set up an oil drilling business
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And since the mexican government cares more about money than their own people's safety the kiwis could start their own gang dedicated to harrassing trannies irl while getting away with it scottfree by bribing the Mexican government with oil money .
 
It was a straight-up war, and the whiteys won fair and square. Sad, but it doesn't make anyone more monstrous than any other people group.
Eh, I wouldn't say breaking treaties and mass immigration was 'fair-and-square'. Though I don't disagree with else you and other have said about the native populace being just as brutal and violent as any other tribal (or slightly more civilized) group of people.
 
Well, you see, that's just another reason why we shouldn't try to keep other people out. It's not even ours, man! We stole it from those peace loving injuns!

It does seem like the root belief this mindset is based on is that the USA is illegitimate, but they won't go so far as to say that and lose all electability. But it's always where the conversation ends up.
By God, I have heard than line of reasoning, in some form or another, so many times. And every time, it's just infuriating. No country is "illegitimate" because it was created through conquest or imperialism. Otherwise, virtually every empire in the history of the world would be "illegitimate".

I recently listened to a friend of my mother tell me that when illegal immigrants come into the US from Mexico, they are just going back into the land that the US took from them. My mind was just blown.

I once listened to some woman say, in the months before Trump got elected, that the United States was never really great, because we started by taking land from the Native Americans.

9/10 advanced modern civilizations agree that murder is bad and we don't please our gods by shedding blood.
One of my teachers once said that we shouldn't "force" our values on other cultures (specifically, the cultures of other nations), because they have different standards than ours, which aren't necessarily better or worse than ours, just different. And if they don't like, then they can change it for themselves. I can't go to Brazil and start forcing my standards down their throats, the same way a Brazilian can't go to America and start forcing his standards down everyone else's throats, either.

Thus, she reasoned, all of the more "savage" or "primitive" cultures may be poor by our standards, but they may be more respecting of nature, or have a better sense of community (however, in my opinion, this is romanticized "noble savage" bullshit).

Thus, if a culture, like, say, Islamic culture, mandated the mutilation of female genitals, then it was only wrong in my opinion, because the people living in the culture don't seem to be bothered by it. And if they don't like it, they should either change it or leave the culture entirely.

BUT, if you want to live in any specific country, including the US, then you need to respect their values, as the teacher told me.

I don't agree with this in full, but I do see her reasoning behind it, although it does remind me of something that I read here...

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Essays/Racism.html

Michael Wong Know His Shit said:
The Ferengi: In DS9, Captain Sisko once chastised his son Jake, for failing to respect Nog's cultural values. "Ferengi cultural values aren't better or worse than ours, just different", he explained. Classic example of racism- assuming that all Ferengi (including one that grew up on a Cardassian space station) are somehow compelled to act a certain way, and that our values and ideals are therefore inapplicable to them. If a white man cautioned his son not to expect black people to respect the law because "they have different cultural values than we do", would you be offended? I hope so.

It is actually fascinating to read up on the contacts between natives and europeans in north america since it demonstrates beyond all doubts that the natives were as fucking ordinary in...

a) their greed (i.e. how they had a full on resource war with eachother trying to hunt beavers to sell skins to the british and french for guns and equipment which led into the 7 years war which was a full on proto world war)

b) their violence (unprovoked attacks on eachother and european settlers for loot or just to prove a point)

c) their cynical exploitation of fellow humans (i.e their widespread embrace of slavery to the point where some native american nations like the Creek and Chocataw sided with the goddamn confederates)

d) their realpolitik (i.e. repeatedly allying with europeans in order to have the europeans eliminate their own native rivals)

e) their capacity for balls to the wall ISIS level rape torture mutilate shit (i.e. just about everything the Comanche did)

...as any european culture or nation. Infact they had been doing shit like this since goddamn prehistory as shown by the fact that mass graves of slaughtered, scalped, and desecrated skeletons from the past few thousand years still get dug up all accross the US on a fairly regular basis.

Infact the only reason Native Americans wound up largely dying out while africans and didnt when europe started colonising and setting up settlements is because while asia and africa were linked to europe in the global trade of disease and immunity, the americas were not and thus they were doomed the moment non americans started arriving in america in large numbers.

The whole myth about the native americans being peaceful uber proto-hippies crushed by the FFFFFUCKING WHITE MAAAAAAAALE super-proto-nazi empire is a masturbatory redeemed-sinner myth spun by pampered white liberals desperate to construct some cosmic "good and kind and perfect and peaceful victims vs evil and sadistic and subhuman and violent victimizer (AND IM TOTES A SPECIAL SNOWFLAKE REDEEMED VICTIMIZER WHO IS FIGHTING MY OWN KIND GUIZ!)" fanfic tier narrative to justify their contempt for other white people who dont share their dogma, and retconning the native americans as ultimate saints and europeans as ultimate sinners (instead of just two cultures of shifty niggers who treated eachother with the same abuse and cynicism they treated their fellow natives/europeans) gives them the perfect opportunity to do so.
This reminded me of when I talked to some leftist black dude about slavery, and he told me these two gems:

1. The Atlantic Slave Trade the the first ever targeting of a people for slavery based solely on their race.
2. Black people only sold their own as slaves for their own protection from the European colonizers.
 
By God, I have heard than line of reasoning, in some form or another, so many times. And every time, it's just infuriating. No country is "illegitimate" because it was created through conquest or imperialism. Otherwise, virtually every empire in the history of the world would be "illegitimate".

I recently listened to a friend of my mother tell me that when illegal immigrants come into the US from Mexico, they are just going back into the land that the US took from them. My mind was just blown.

I once listened to some woman say, in the months before Trump got elected, that the United States was never really great, because we started by taking land from the Native Americans.


One of my teachers once said that we shouldn't "force" our values on other cultures (specifically, the cultures of other nations), because they have different standards than ours, which aren't necessarily better or worse than ours, just different. And if they don't like, then they can change it for themselves. I can't go to Brazil and start forcing my standards down their throats, the same way a Brazilian can't go to America and start forcing his standards down everyone else's throats, either.

Thus, she reasoned, all of the more "savage" or "primitive" cultures may be poor by our standards, but they may be more respecting of nature, or have a better sense of community (however, in my opinion, this is romanticized "noble savage" bullshit).

Thus, if a culture, like, say, Islamic culture, mandated the mutilation of female genitals, then it was only wrong in my opinion, because the people living in the culture don't seem to be bothered by it. And if they don't like it, they should either change it or leave the culture entirely.

BUT, if you want to live in any specific country, including the US, then you need to respect their values, as the teacher told me.

I don't agree with this in full, but I do see her reasoning behind it, although it does remind me of something that I read here...

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Essays/Racism.html




This reminded me of when I talked to some leftist black dude about slavery, and he told me these two gems:

1. The Atlantic Slave Trade the the first ever targeting of a people for slavery based solely on their race.
2. Black people only sold their own as slaves for their own protection from the European colonizers.


I have a simple way to counter every argument those ignorant of history and who buy the noble savage bullshit have.

"If all this is true, why aren't you encouraging, with you being the example, those who screwed over these people to leave the country they stole from and go back where they came from, and while you're at it, how well did the Liberia experiment work out?

Never fail to see brains short circuit when I ask this.
 
I guess I'm just the kind of horrible racist who wants to impose my no rape and murder rules on unwilling murderous rapists. For some crazy reason, I think maybe the recipients of said rape and murder don't love that part of their culture too much.
 
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By God, I have heard than line of reasoning, in some form or another, so many times. And every time, it's just infuriating. No country is "illegitimate" because it was created through conquest or imperialism. Otherwise, virtually every empire in the history of the world would be "illegitimate".

I recently listened to a friend of my mother tell me that when illegal immigrants come into the US from Mexico, they are just going back into the land that the US took from them. My mind was just blown.

I once listened to some woman say, in the months before Trump got elected, that the United States was never really great, because we started by taking land from the Native Americans.


One of my teachers once said that we shouldn't "force" our values on other cultures (specifically, the cultures of other nations), because they have different standards than ours, which aren't necessarily better or worse than ours, just different. And if they don't like, then they can change it for themselves. I can't go to Brazil and start forcing my standards down their throats, the same way a Brazilian can't go to America and start forcing his standards down everyone else's throats, either.

Thus, she reasoned, all of the more "savage" or "primitive" cultures may be poor by our standards, but they may be more respecting of nature, or have a better sense of community (however, in my opinion, this is romanticized "noble savage" bullshit).

Thus, if a culture, like, say, Islamic culture, mandated the mutilation of female genitals, then it was only wrong in my opinion, because the people living in the culture don't seem to be bothered by it. And if they don't like it, they should either change it or leave the culture entirely.

BUT, if you want to live in any specific country, including the US, then you need to respect their values, as the teacher told me.

I don't agree with this in full, but I do see her reasoning behind it, although it does remind me of something that I read here...

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Essays/Racism.html




This reminded me of when I talked to some leftist black dude about slavery, and he told me these two gems:

1. The Atlantic Slave Trade the the first ever targeting of a people for slavery based solely on their race.
2. Black people only sold their own as slaves for their own protection from the European colonizers.
People seem to forget that after the stunt mexico pulled with the alamo and capturing their president we gave him a choice, sell us your useless territory and live as a coward or refuse and die with honor
The pussy choose option number 1, we even gave mexico some pity money when we could just as easily stole all their gold and fuck off
The war would had not happened if they only allowed texas to decide for themselves and sold us some of their lands that they didnt even bother to use
 
Thus, if a culture, like, say, Islamic culture, mandated the mutilation of female genitals, then it was only wrong in my opinion, because the people living in the culture don't seem to be bothered by it
They don't seem to be bothered by it? Then who the fuck are these millions of refugees in the first place? I don't see a need to shell out money and space to take care of people who "don't seem to be bothered".
 
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They don't seem to be bothered by it? Then who the fuck are these millions of refugees in the first place? I don't see a need to shell out money and space to take care of people who "don't seem to be bothered".
Those are the people who are simply leaving yet still bring their culture with them, for some reason, as if they were just economic migrants

The people still in the culture have to change it themselves, because no one else has the right to change it for them (at least as far as my teacher would say).
 
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2,000 immigrant children in sad tents
>local Facebook friends and coworkers lose collective minds

Local news announces there will be a Food Bank/charity for homeless children and families in my state

>estimated 40,000 homeless children in my state
>local Facebook friends and coworkers say nothing

But like...think of the children, mmkay guize?
 
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