The new American right is worthless and is a failure by its own design.

[BULLY HUNTER_77]

The problem with your comparison is it doesn't factor in brainwashing and subliminal messaging intended to change people's opinion. Ever notice how the Overton window is shifting ever further left, by that logic what is the point of the right wing if the Overton window is going continuously left, almost like either A) Brainwashing works and subliminal message and deceptive reasoning (emotional please) or B) Right wing rhetoric is retarded and getting phased out slowly but surely.

You tell me.

There's a difference between even (even level) exposure of ideas and force handed and manipulated ideas, that which Darwinism of ideas will not help the only way to stop brainwashing is to prevent it in the first place before the manipulation takes place.

George Orwell wrote many books like 1984 warning of dystopian futures and of socialism, yet was a profound socialist, because brainwashed ideas DO NOT fade away in someone's mind. It's that simple.

I'm going to go with option C) The Overton window is being artificially shifted left, not because the ideas on the right are retarded but because their voices are being surgically removed from public discourse.

I honestly think the solution to the Overton window problem is a lack of exposure to opposing ideas. I'll grant you that it's not possible to convince a brainwashed person. However, to truly brainwash the masses is nearly impossible. It requires a cult-like environment and a systematic deconstruction of the ego (e.g. becoming a bugman).

To me, the solution is as simple as reallowing public discourse. I think the lefties are trying to shut it down precisely because that's a fight they know they can't win. Even if everything you've posted in this thread is absolutely correct, trying to pull the "no u" uno reverse card at this point in the game is pretty unrealistic because you're describing a situation in which you've already and completely lost.

 

[Mewtwo_Rain]

I'm going to go with option C) The Overton window is being artificially shifted left, not because the ideas on the right are retarded but because their voices are being surgically removed from public discourse.

I honestly think the solution to the Overton window problem is a lack of exposure to opposing ideas. I'll grant you that it's not possible to convince a brainwashed person. However, to truly brainwash the masses is nearly impossible. It requires a cult-like environment and a systematic deconstruction of the ego (e.g. becoming a bugman).

To me, the solution is as simple as reallowing public discourse. I think the lefties are trying to shut it down precisely because that's a fight they know they can't win. Even if everything you've posted in this thread is absolutely correct, trying to pull the "no u" uno reverse card at this point in the game is pretty unrealistic because you're describing a situation in which you've already and completely lost.

In less than 50 years society has been majorly overhauled to be accepting of trannies, the LGBTQ community with their degeneracy, open borders to a decent amount of the population, it doesn't have to brainwash everyone it only has to influence those in power and making decisions and then you see the institutions are pushing this after being corrupted by this ideology, this literal mind virus. The only way to break it out of someone is to literally fracture their mind, and if you do that there's no guarantee they'll even be much of a human afterwards.

We haven't lost yet, but if the right doesn't use force or power to stop this brainwashing of children or this attempt to it will get to the point that population number brainwashed will be gigantic, when it gets to that point, then all hope will be lost. We're not at that line yet, but we're damn near getting close and that's the worst part is the right has been warned about this for at least 11 years, and back then everyone laughed it off, it's not so funny now.

 

[Raoul_Duke]

Frankly, I think Jefferson was right: America should've remained a country of yeoman farmers, craftsmen, and gentlemen. Without that root in the ground, what the hell is the United States if not a Free Economic Zone to be ruled over by corporations? If we can't find some way of castrating our political enemies, physically, morally, and psychologically, and to push the idea of a Jeffersonian Republic, we're gonna be much further up shit creek. As in, we're going to be at the shitfall that has a drop of half a mile, there's no parachute, and we're about a minute away from falling over the side.

 

[WhatIsThePunchline]

"Muh free speech" is a garbage ideal that should be abandoned. You're just giving the left something to hide behind. "Free speech" is a luxury you can only afford if your society is already stable and well-ordered, which ours is not, and maybe it wouldn't be worth it even then. In a political atmosphere of aggression, trying to be a "free speech absolutist" ultimately just means carrying water for your enemy.

Free speech is not a luxury. Free speech is a fundamental mechanism that allows you to see what is going on in the world, and which allows you to hold people in power accountable to a far greater extent than just voting once every four years ever will. Abandon that and you might as well pack it all up.

You might as well say that having eyes is a luxury and that we should tear them out.

If the right supported the first amendment like they support the second, the world would have been in a much better place right now.

@KittyGremlin As for the right, people who are used to left wing hysteria and disillusioned by twenty years of american war mongering are not going to support the Russia-Ukraine war or the left wing mania connected to it. That isn't either contrarian or inconsistent, it's a pretty obvious result of the last two decades of american politics.

 

[Mayor Adam West]

The right would be better if they dropped all the god shit. Become the party of reason and logic not caveman brain superstition.

If you want to see where “reason” and “logic” got us, look out the window.

 

[Mayor Adam West]

The issue with defending "free speech" is that the term itself is ambiguous and interpreted by the courts. "Nazi" rhetoric? Unacceptable. Pornography? FREE SPEECH. Yes, I grasp that in Yankeeberg, that's not how these terms work, but most of the world isn't protected by the First Amendment.

The so-called "new right" is wildly inconsistent, viewed at large, but this isn't anything new. The internal inconsistency is mirrored in "the left" in its internally-contradictory neo-liberal and progressive ideologies. Expecting consistency from a large group with many contradictory aims and positions really isn't sane. Here in Canada, it's even worse: the trending shift for "the right" is for a complete abandonment of any moral values and shift to lolbertarian ethos of infanticide and sodomy.

This is why I've completely jettisoned any generalized association with "the right", "republicans" or "conservatives". I'm full-on reactionary like Tolkien and Lewis; perhaps even moreso because Christian reconstructionism has developed since their departure. Even so, don't conflate this with Curtis Yarvin's Jewish "neo" hogwash. The enemy is not "the Cathedral". It's "the Talmud" and its fruits: atheism, Satanic casuistry (a tradition continued by Mohammedans!), degeneracy, internationality, et cetera.

If I was forced to side with either, I'd end up on the Russian side of things, simply because the present Ukraine administration is clearly an artefact of American Democratic manufacture, but Putin is nearly as bad, and him winning stands to reduce the Western standard of living to the Russian.

Other than the whole Talmud thing I completely agree.

 

[Frozen in time]

Reminder. ^ This user is a known pedo.

Thanks for telling me now I know not to take that person's seriously

 

[gang weeder]

You can think whatever you want but Darwinism of ideas is an evolutionary pressure to make people less susceptible to demoralization. If you try to restrict the ideas your citizens are exposed to, your ideas get weaker and the demoralizing ideas get stronger.

Take a look at this picture:
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Now, you tell me if the globohomo trans agenda is winning the hearts and minds of the normies. They have tried and failed to regulate this discussion to the darkest corners of the Internet. It's now being discussed on television and the radio. It's called the Streisand Effect.

Wowzers the heckin' stunning and brave conservatives are really sticking it to the tranny!!!1 Meanwhile the tranny still stands there in first place and there isn't a damn thing you can do about it. Call me back when Lia Thomas actually gets banned from swimming. Until then this is another example of exactly what I'm talking about, the fact that the issue is being discussed means nothing and doesn't affect the actual outcome.

 

[snailslime]

who actually watches swimming lmao. this is just an excuse to fuel the gay culture war.

 

[gang weeder]

Free speech is not a luxury. Free speech is a fundamental mechanism that allows you to see what is going on in the world, and which allows you to hold people in power accountable to a far greater extent than just voting once every four years ever will. Abandon that and you might as well pack it all up.

You might as well say that having eyes is a luxury and that we should tear them out.

If the right supported the first amendment like they support the second, the world would have been in a much better place right now.

@KittyGremlin As for the right, people who are used to left wing hysteria and disillusioned by twenty years of american war mongering are not going to support the Russia-Ukraine war or the left wing mania connected to it. That isn't either contrarian or inconsistent, it's a pretty obvious result of the last two decades of american politics.

How exactly has "free speech" been used to hold anyone accountable lol? You sound like a woketard saying that, "holding people accountable" for their wrongthink. The right does support the first amendment btw, you can go around telling everyone that you love Adolf Hitler and you wish he had gassed all the Jews and guess what the government will do to you for it? Nothing. Yet "the right" just keeps on losing and being pushed farther back constantly. From this one would have to conclude that either A) the left has the better ideas after all or B) your heckin' First Amendment is not working out the way that you thought it would.

 

[byuu]

Free speech sucks because no one takes my retarded ideas seriously.

 

[WhatIsThePunchline]

How exactly has "free speech" been used to hold anyone accountable lol? You sound like a woketard saying that, "holding people accountable" for their wrongthink. The right does support the first amendment btw, you can go around telling everyone that you love Adolf Hitler and you wish he had gassed all the Jews and guess what the government will do to you for it? Nothing. Yet "the right" just keeps on losing and being pushed farther back constantly. From this one would have to conclude that either A) the left has the better ideas after all or B) your heckin' First Amendment is not working out the way that you thought it would.

Like this:
Scenario one:
1. Politician is a moron.
2. People lambast politician as a moron, everyone makes jokes about him, people call him names, all his aides gets covered in information about how he's a moron.
3. Result: Either he becomes less of a moron or not only do people stop voting for him, people around him start to wise up about him being stupid.

Scenario two:
1. A proposed policy is moronic.
2. People make fun of it.
3. Result: Policy is either changed or the people who push it gets outed as morons.

Scenario three:
1. Politician or policy completely fails and fucks up.
2. Because people are able to freely express their opinion, everyone gets to hear about it.

Without free speech:
1. Politician is a moron, a policy is moronic, either completely fucks up.
2. Twitter, facebook, reddit, youtube, google, the news, whatever all fall over themselves to supress, filter, slant and manipulate any and all information that can come out.
3. Result: Your politicians can be morons, their policies can be moronic, they can keep fucking up, and a large segment of the population will never hear a pip about it.
4. This is the current state of things.

Your mistake is in this quote: "From this one would have to conclude that either A) the left has the better ideas after all or B) your heckin' First Amendment is not working out the way that you thought it would."
The situation currently is C): America has largely circumvented free speech laws using gigantic private corporations (social media and news media) to suppress the free exchange of information.

The first amendment is not working out because after 2016 the left decided that free discourse is no longer something we should have. By pretending that google or facebook or twitter is equivalent to a fucking small town coffee shop, they can just go 'muh private companies' and ignore the first amendment because the founding fathers somehow did not think of adding a clause into it in regards to gigantic communication networks that'd come into existence centuries after their deaths.

 

[gang weeder]

Like this:
Scenario one:
1. Politician is a moron.
2. People lambast politician as a moron, everyone makes jokes about him, people call him names, all his aides gets covered in information about how he's a moron.
3. Result: Either he becomes less of a moron or not only do people stop voting for him, people around him start to wise up about him being stupid.

Scenario two:
1. A proposed policy is moronic.
2. People make fun of it.
3. Result: Policy is either changed or the people who push it gets outed as morons.

Scenario three:
1. Politician or policy completely fails and fucks up.
2. Because people are able to freely express their opinion, everyone gets to hear about it.

Without free speech:
1. Politician is a moron, a policy is moronic, either completely fucks up.
2. Twitter, facebook, reddit, youtube, google, the news, whatever all fall over themselves to supress, filter, slant and manipulate any and all information that can come out.
3. Result: Your politicians can be morons, their policies can be moronic, they can keep fucking up, and a large segment of the population will never hear a pip about it.
4. This is the current state of things.

Your mistake is in this quote: "From this one would have to conclude that either A) the left has the better ideas after all or B) your heckin' First Amendment is not working out the way that you thought it would."
The situation currently is C): America has largely circumvented free speech laws using gigantic private corporations (social media and news media) to suppress the free exchange of information.

The first amendment is not working out because after 2016 the left decided that free discourse is no longer something we should have. By pretending that google or facebook or twitter is equivalent to a fucking small town coffee shop, they can just go 'muh private companies' and ignore the first amendment because the founding fathers somehow did not think of adding a clause into it in regards to gigantic communication networks that'd come into existence centuries after their deaths.

So your solution to losing in the "marketplace of ideas" is to use government to force the marketplace to accommodate your ideas. And you actually see no inconsistency in that. Incredible. See, this is the difference between me and you. I'm fine with using the government to get my way, but I'm not sitting here pretending to be a "free speech defender" at the same time. Did you really fail to make the connection that when the left abandoned muh free speech because they'd rather just win, they then proceeded to, y'know, win?

 

[WhatIsThePunchline]

So your solution to losing in the "marketplace of ideas" is to use government to force the marketplace to accommodate your ideas. And you actually see no inconsistency in that. Incredible. See, this is the difference between me and you. I'm fine with using the government to get my way, but I'm not sitting here pretending to be a "free speech defender" at the same time.

I've not proposed a solution. I've pointed out to you that free speech is not a luxury and explained why, and also explained we've gotten a lot less of it since 2016.

Your ability to freely share and receive information is fundamental. For all the power the left has gotten by restricting and taking that away piece by piece, it has also made them blind and stupid and delusional. The right shouldn't try to imitate that. No one should.

 

[gang weeder]

I've not proposed a solution. I've pointed out to you that free speech is not a luxury and explained why, and also explained we've gotten a lot less of it since 2016.

Your ability to freely share and receive information is fundamental. For all the power the left has gotten by restricting and taking that away piece by piece, it has also made them blind and stupid and delusional. The right shouldn't try to imitate that. No one should.

If it can really be taken away so easily on a whim just because TPTB felt threatened I think that rather proves that yes, it was a luxury afforded to us simply because times were good, relatively speaking.

 

[WhatIsThePunchline]

If it can really be taken away so easily on a whim just because TPTB felt threatened I think that rather proves that yes, it was a luxury afforded to us simply because times were good, relatively speaking.

Don't think it's been particularly easy for them, or that the relative ease to take shit away matters. It's not a luxury because you need it in order for things to not grow worse over time.

But I do agree with you it should have been a damn sight harder.

 

[LillWeeb]

Now that the left has defined itself with divisive identity politics and the globohomo, I think the right has the opportunity to take a lot of the moderate support base from the left if it dropped identity politics and established itself as the party of the people that work, at least in the U.S. This could be accomplished by doing the following:

1. Distancing itself from conspiratards and other moralizing wackos like evangelical Christians
2. Trumpist economic nationalism without calling it Trumpism - pushing for reshoring of factories and manufacturing expertise to get working folk into jobs that pay well and teach valuable skills, and not just serving as an Amazon warehouse serf for shit manufactured in China
3. Courting union members, especially those in manufacturing
4. Dropping the "dey tuk ur jerbs" mentality - hispanics who work tend to integrate pretty well and tend to have no love for the tranny-pushing, welfare-sapping leftists who they only vote for because they don't threaten to deport their families (which they do anyway, but voters don't tend to think that way).

Of course, this won't happen because of how other commenters have pointed out, the right has been reduced to a controlled opposition by those truly in charge.

I disagree with the second part of number 1, The right not only needs to embrace religious voters, but needs to find Christ themselves. ( and no don't become some online larper, you have to be born anew.) The idea of you can fight against Troonery , pedophiles and other degeneracy without God, is their is no higher morality , and your argument boils for traditionalism just boils down to I just like trad things more, with no grounded reason why it is the one true order from God. But since all morality to the atheist is subjective and doesn't exist. Remember the whole belief structure of the left is based on there is no god at its very core.

 

[KittyGremlin]

Free speech is not a luxury. Free speech is a fundamental mechanism that allows you to see what is going on in the world, and which allows you to hold people in power accountable to a far greater extent than just voting once every four years ever will. Abandon that and you might as well pack it all up.

You might as well say that having eyes is a luxury and that we should tear them out.

If the right supported the first amendment like they support the second, the world would have been in a much better place right now.

@KittyGremlin As for the right, people who are used to left wing hysteria and disillusioned by twenty years of american war mongering are not going to support the Russia-Ukraine war or the left wing mania connected to it. That isn't either contrarian or inconsistent, it's a pretty obvious result of the last two decades of american politics.

Not making a case for escalating US involvement. I think that the current economical sanctions, intelligence sharing and defensive arms deliveries are already more than the US is morally obliged to do. Where I see hypocrisy is in implicit or explicit support for Russia.

 

[gang weeder]

I disagree with the second part of number 1, The right not only needs to embrace religious voters, but needs to find Christ themselves. ( and no don't become some online larper, you have to be born anew.) The idea of you can fight against Troonery , pedophiles and other degeneracy without God, is their is no higher morality , and your argument boils for traditionalism just boils down to I just like trad things more, with no grounded reason why it is the one true order from God. But since all morality to the atheist is subjective and doesn't exist. Remember the whole belief structure of the left is based on there is no god at its very core.

No but you see, if you say that objective moral standards actually do exist, now you're no better than the left. We have to be better than that by completely rejecting any kind of moral standards at all. Don't judge bigot. Just Let People Enjoy Things.

 

[Mayor Adam West]

I disagree with the second part of number 1, The right not only needs to embrace religious voters, but needs to find Christ themselves. ( and no don't become some online larper, you have to be born anew.) The idea of you can fight against Troonery , pedophiles and other degeneracy without God, is their is no higher morality , and your argument boils for traditionalism just boils down to I just like trad things more, with no grounded reason why it is the one true order from God. But since all morality to the atheist is subjective and doesn't exist. Remember the whole belief structure of the left is based on there is no god at its very core.

Completely agree. Without God all of the things the Left advocates for kinda makes sense.

No but you see, if you say that objective moral standards actually do exist, now you're no better than the left. We have to be better than that by completely rejecting any kind of moral standards at all. Don't judge bigot. Just Let People Enjoy Things.

I really hope you’re joking.