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Who are you rooting for in Super Bowl 60?

  • New England Patriots

    Votes: 11 22.0%

  • Seattle Seahawks

    Votes: 25 50.0%

  • Team State Farm

    Votes: 1 2.0%

  • The Meteor

    Votes: 13 26.0%
  • Total voters
    50
  • Poll closed .
Americunt said:
Which is insane because they ran it, what 3, 4 times during the AFCCG? Maybe Mcdermott should stop using Bin Laden as a model and suicide bombing his Oline only to not convert anyway.

It's especially funny because Buffalo and GB are the only two teams that are half as good at doing it too. What would a ban on it even encompass? Banning the QB Sneak entirely? Banning a ball carrier from pushing up against their Oline on a play? I somehow doubt the league is going to side with these whiners anyway, but idt any of them have considered the knock on effects of what a ban on a play like that could be.
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How exactly they try to word it will be interesting because of the knock on effects for sure. I think the easiest thing to do would be to just call forward progress earlier and don't do a rule change. It won't stop all of them, but there are probably 10-20% where Hurts isn't down and there is an impactful second effort. What effects will that have on how its called? Will Sirianni take the chance when it's 2 or 3 yards then? The success rate has declined some over the years, but it also has been called more aggressively.

One of the biggest hurdles with stopping it is just how much the Eagles offensive line outweighs opposing defensive lines. You got 4 guys averaging like 350-360lbs plus Cam Jurgens at 300lbs. They're all way above average besides Jurgens. The average D tackle across the league isn't Sexy Dexy. They're weighing in a bit north of 300lbs. Beyond the buy in and execution from the players, it's simple mass at a point.

Will the results of this past season see a resurgence in the running game? If you take a look at linebacker size you'll see that it has been trending upwards, but that doesn't tell the whole story as there are plenty of d ends in the league that are considered linebackers. It's why Zack Baun's franchise tag would be like $22-24M because it counts a bunch of edge rushers. Can a bigger defense stop the tush push?

The Brotherly Shove is a boring play to watch. I'd hate it if I weren't an Eagles fan, but so far I'm seeing teams jealous that they haven't put in the time to figure it out and don't have the personnel to pull it off. Moore took our assistant o-line coach to New Orleans with him. It'll be interesting to see if they try to run it next season and what success they have.

At his Combine press conference a couple days ago Eagles' GM Howie Roseman mused if the Giants would submit a proposal to ban Saquon Barkley because nobody can stop him either. I think this would have happened in 2023 if we'd won the Super Bow. Time to put the haterblockers on blockers on.

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The NFL announced today that its 2024-2025 data show 0 injuries occurred on Brotherly Shoves. It appears owners believe the storyline and controversy surrounding it are beneficial to the league and want it to stay if they're already pushing back against the narrative that it needs to go.
 
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break these cuffs said:
The Brotherly Shove is a boring play to watch. I'd hate it if I weren't an Eagles fan, but so far I'm seeing teams jealous that they haven't put in the time to figure it out and don't have the personnel to pull it off.
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Obviously I'm biased, but on the one hand I agree, just look at the NFCCG where Washington almost made league history pushing the refs to just awarding us a touchdown trying to stop it. In cases like that it is pretty much teams having to concede a 1st/touchdown, so I do sympathize with some of the resentment over it.

That said it is by no means a 100% foolproof conversion, just look at the pitiful 2pt-conv we tried with it in the wild card against the Bucs last year. To me them calling that play puts me on the edge of my seat when we're up against real defensive minds like Todd Bowles, or, coincidentally Vic Fangio when we played the Dolphins last year. In other words it's a skill issue, if you can't figure out how to beat, an honestly really simple play when you get down to it, then you deserve to concede a 1st down or points, in the same way that if your cornerback can't beat a good receiver, you deserve to give up yards or points.
 
Americunt said:
Obviously I'm biased, but on the one hand I agree, just look at the NFCCG where Washington almost made league history pushing the refs to just awarding us a touchdown trying to stop it. In cases like that it is pretty much teams having to concede a 1st/touchdown, so I do sympathize with some of the resentment over it.

That said it is by no means a 100% foolproof conversion, just look at the pitiful 2pt-conv we tried with it in the wild card against the Bucs last year. To me them calling that play puts me on the edge of my seat when we're up against real defensive minds like Todd Bowles, or, coincidentally Vic Fangio when we played the Dolphins last year. In other words it's a skill issue, if you can't figure out how to beat, an honestly really simple play when you get down to it, then you deserve to concede a 1st down or points, in the same way that if your cornerback can't beat a good receiver, you deserve to give up yards or points.
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The league needs to start artificially hindering players Harrison Bergeron style so we can have true parity across the board.
 
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Drama Fan said:
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Honestly kind of against this because it allows even more fuckery. Sure on paper, refs spotting the ball IS less transparent than there being some neutral digital method to determine where the ball actually should be, the difference is because the refs aren't cold thinking machines (yet), you can't steal a 1st down as reliably when there's near 360 degree coverage of the game and replay assisted challenges. Not to say it doesn't happen, there was that on instance where Will Levis comically injured himself extending for a clear 1st down and didn't even get it anyway, but there's at least someone to argue with/challenge on the basis of some kind of human error in the process.

I'd be interested to see how this system is implemented and how it works in cases where a ball spot is challenged, because my guess is the league will just lean on "Well the computer says it was short so it is" as a defense on any kind of controversial spotting, and it'll be much more of a credible defense that'll shut people up.
 
Americunt said:
I'd be interested to see how this system is implemented and how it works in cases where a ball spot is challenged, because my guess is the league will just lean on "Well the computer says it was short so it is" as a defense on any kind of controversial spotting, and it'll be much more of a credible defense that'll shut people up.
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I mean, spotting the ball on forward progress on a simple run or screen where the possession isn't in question is probably the best case scenario for a system like this. There' still plenty of room for refball when it comes to determining possession and stuff. I can also think it could get used effectively for determining if a pass is truly forward or backwards.
I really welcome anything that can objectify refs' calls.
 
threat said:
Do yall think the titans are gonna draft travis hunter first overall?
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Titans need a QB but this QB draft class is mediocre at best and awful at worst, so yeah I can seem them taking someone like Travis Hunter while kicking the can down the road on the QB question for another year.
 
break these cuffs said:
The NFL announced today that its 2024-2025 data show 0 injuries occurred on Brotherly Shoves.
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Honestly, I think there's some degree of confusion over a niggling technicality. One offensive player may not pull another offensive ball-carrier over the goal line, and that's been spirit-vs.-rules'd into "Well, they can't push either!"

No such language in the rules, and frankly, that's just a straight-up rugby play anyway. Your meat versus ours with one poor bastard in the middle. One could niggle that the meat is wearing armor in the NFL, and that's fair. But as it stands, it is not an illegal play, much like sticking your foot into foul territory and then picking up the kick-off is clever since your team gets it at the 40 instead of being backed up half the distance due to unsportsmanlike conduct.
 
Stafford's staying in LA, which makes this offseason's QB Carousal a lot more interesting. Falcons are supposedly keeping Kirk (for now), so that leaves Russ, Justin Fields, Sam Darnold, and (lol) Rodgers as available for the QB needy teams in free agency. Who do you see going where? Personally I think the Giants ride it out with Locke/DeVito until they can get a crack at an Arch Manning or better next draft class, but part of me wants to see Rodgers go back to Metlife and show how washed he is for a second time with the Giants. Can you imagine how buckbroken he would be after one game against Philly lol?
 
Channel 5/Andrew Callaghan did an Eagles video
Live it up, Philly. You earned this celebration.
 
Americunt said:
Stafford's staying in LA, which makes this offseason's QB Carousal a lot more interesting. Falcons are supposedly keeping Kirk (for now), so that leaves Russ, Justin Fields, Sam Darnold, and (lol) Rodgers as available for the QB needy teams in free agency. Who do you see going where? Personally I think the Giants ride it out with Locke/DeVito until they can get a crack at an Arch Manning or better next draft class, but part of me wants to see Rodgers go back to Metlife and show how washed he is for a second time with the Giants. Can you imagine how buckbroken he would be after one game against Philly lol?
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I read somewhere there was a possibility the Giants might get Rodgers which would fit the Derp Factory
 
Drama Fan said:
Channel 5/Andrew Callaghan did an Eagles video
https://youtube.com/watch?v=KsJ840J2iSYLive it up, Philly. You earned this celebration.
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Do this guy's videos always descend into politisperging? They were like 80% through the video and he began talking about weeping for our grandchildren because there is no future. At least the black guy seems cool. It's nice to see the truth about the snowballs for Santa story reaching a wider audience. The rest of the stories about terrible Eagles fans being about Phillies fans was also hilarious.

Daily reminder that you're stupid if you believe MSM talking heads about literally anything, especially sports.
 
Americunt said:
I'd be interested to see how this system is implemented and how it works in cases where a ball spot is challenged, because my guess is the league will just lean on "Well the computer says it was short so it is" as a defense on any kind of controversial spotting, and it'll be much more of a credible defense that'll shut people up.
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This will probably end up like the Pass interference review rule. People will use it, almost zero calls will be over turned because the NFL doesnt want to anger the referees union by constantly contradicting the on-field refs. If they constantly rely on it the chorus of people chanting "RIGGED" will only get louder. They will hastily roll this system out then roll it back next year because "it failed" and this way they can actually support our collective delusion that they are making changes in an attempt to IMPROVE the game of football.
 
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The refs should stand on the sidelines holding clipboards.
Americunt said:
Stafford's staying in LA, which makes this offseason's QB Carousal a lot more interesting. Falcons are supposedly keeping Kirk (for now), so that leaves Russ, Justin Fields, Sam Darnold, and (lol) Rodgers as available for the QB needy teams in free agency. Who do you see going where? Personally I think the Giants ride it out with Locke/DeVito until they can get a crack at an Arch Manning or better next draft class, but part of me wants to see Rodgers go back to Metlife and show how washed he is for a second time with the Giants. Can you imagine how buckbroken he would be after one game against Philly lol?
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I'd love to see Rodgers to the G-spots for the lolz but no way he takes a chance behind no O line and immobile.
 
FootballBuff said:
This will probably end up like the Pass interference review rule. People will use it, almost zero calls will be over turned because the NFL doesnt want to anger the referees union by constantly contradicting the on-field refs. If they constantly rely on it the chorus of people chanting "RIGGED" will only get louder. They will hastily roll this system out then roll it back next year because "it failed" and this way they can actually support our collective delusion that they are making changes in an attempt to IMPROVE the game of football.
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How a couple hundred urologists and retired investment bankers have a such a stranglehold on the league never ceases to amaze me. I mean, I know why. it's cheaper than the alternative and the bad optics aren't hurting the bottom line, but it makes me laugh.
 
FootballBuff said:
Just a 5th rounder for Deebo Samuel seems crazy cheap to me. How badly did he piss of Kyle Shannahan? Is he THAT big of a diva? Hell the steelers were able to get a 3rd AND a 5th for Antonio Brown. Seems like SF wanted him gone BAD!

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We got Deebo for a 5th?

Either Shannahan fucking HATES him, or they’re trying to free up a LOT of cap space for Purdy’s first Big Boy Contract.

I don’t care either way, I’mma just be happy my Commies are getting good players. Until reality sets in I mean.
 
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