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Who are you rooting for in Super Bowl 60?

  • New England Patriots

    Votes: 11 22.0%

  • Seattle Seahawks

    Votes: 25 50.0%

  • Team State Farm

    Votes: 1 2.0%

  • The Meteor

    Votes: 13 26.0%
  • Total voters
    50
  • Poll closed .
Froggy Fresh Sextape said:
I see kids in Alstott jerseys every once in a while. They were everywhere in the late 90s so I assume they're hand-me-downs from dad.

It's funny cause the most popular Bucs jerseys during the time were Alstott/Sapp/Brooks/Barber. Real fuckin ground and pound football right there.
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I yearn for the days of a RB like Mike Alstott or Jerome Bettis, or FB's like Lorenzo Neal and William Henderson. We kinda get that in Derrick Henry, but he doesn't fit the same archetype IMO. Brandon Jacobs as well. There's something romantic about a 250+ lb grown man either fighting 2-3 other dudes for a few more yards or putting the fear of God into a defensive back that's in the way.

What's interesting is it appears the pendulum is starting to swing back that direction. Offenses have progressively gotten smaller and faster the last two decades or so and defenses followed suit. Now defenses are finally "catching up" and figuring out how to effectively gameplan against offenses, which is what we saw last year with low scoring and whatnot. So the offenses are shifting the paradigm, getting bigger and bigger, and returning to the ground to combat defenses that are light in the ass. Not saying we'll see ground and pound football dominate but the league is evolving so that teams aren't only running the ball 10-15 times a game anymore.

Speaking of Brandon Jacobs, just imagine trying to tackle that 6'4, 270lb, bald negro when he's running with a full head of steam. WTF are you supposed to do? There's a clip of him talking about doing cocaine before a highschool game and getting 338 yards and 4 TDs, which is hilarious. Like, I've seen clips of high school players who are clearly grown men playing against children, but that game was that + cocaine.
 
Drama Fan said:
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Micah Parsons requested a trade out of Dallas. Jerry bros...
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The funny shit is that Jerry & Cap Boi thought they had contract details already ironed out just after 1 conversation with #11, not his agent lol. He told them talk to his agent & they never did.

“In March I met with Mr. Jones to talk about leadership,” Parsons wrote on social media. “Somehow the conversation turned into him talking contract with me. Yes I engaged in a back and forth in regards to what I wanted from my contract, but at no point did I believe this was supposed to be a formal negotiation and I informed Mr. Jones afterward my agent would reach out thinking this would get things done. But when my agent reached out and spoke to [senior director of salary cap and player contracts Adam Prasifka] he was told the deal was pretty much already done. My agent of course told him that wasn’t the case and also reached out to Stephen Jones. Again the team decided to go silent.”
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Adam Prasifka... Y'all might be asking who the frak is he? Well before he was the Senior Director of Salary Cap & Player Contracts he was.... Trainer/Server at Marketplace Grill in 2000-02. At the same time he was the Football Equipment Manager for Arkansas!!!!!
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Only reason he got the job is he is friends with one of Jerry's sons.

Yet there is a significant portion of the fanbase who blames #4 for the cap situation.
DSP's Tax Lawyer said:
The fact its gotten this far means Jerry Jones is in terrible health. Not a chance this happens unless Jerry is bedbound in a hospital
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lol not 1 bit. If you are a top 5 player then he waits & waits to sign you, then he overpays you a lot at the very end. If you aren't a top 5 or even top 10 & aren't demanding top 10 money then he will sign you to a top 10 contract... like he just did to Jake Ferguson.
Froggy Fresh Sextape said:
Yeah I'd believe that except for Micah shitting on the Cowboys FO on social media with other players chirping in.

Things don't look great in Jerruh World.
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HackerX said:
Eh, that's standard contract negotiation in Dallas. It's a genius tactic to extend a player only after they have all the leverage.
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this.
 
Mister Ferro said:
lol not 1 bit. If you are a top 5 player then he waits & waits to sign you, then he overpays you a lot at the very end. If you aren't a top 5 or even top 10 & aren't demanding top 10 money then he will sign you to a top 10 contract... like he just did to Jake Ferguson.
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But he waited and waited to sign Parson. Crosby, Garret, and Watt all got paid before this. And the preseason is starting
 
DSP's Tax Lawyer said:
But he waited and waited to sign Parson. Crosby, Garret, and Watt all got paid before this. And the preseason is starting
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Well, you see. People were talking about the Cowboys, so waiting to pay players until after new market is established is clearly worth the trade-off. Yeah, it may be negative publicity that's centered on calling Jerruh a retard every single year, but Dallas is America's team!!!

On that thought, I'm super curious as to where Dallas's actual value is at. The stats I'm seeing show them as 20-30% more valuable than the next most valuable team, but I'm not particularly sure how that value is derived. I could understand it if this were the 90s, where Dallas was competent and had their branding plastered every which way, but Dallas hasn't particularly felt like "America's team" in forever. Sure, they still get nationally televised WAYYYY more than they deserve, but that shit is artificial. Obv, I've done next to no research and conjecturing this purely through vibe, but it wouldn't shock me if Dallas isn't quite as valuable as everyone makes them out to be.

On a good note, the boy Sterling Sharpe finally got his gold jacket.
For the baby zoom zooms, he posed a legitimate threat to Jerry Rice's records before hurting his neck. If you were restricted to looking at him in the scope of his playing career (7 years), he's absolutely on the Mt. Rushmore of WR's. It was thought for a LONG time that he'd never get into the Hall of Fame due to his relatively short career along with the ridiculous backlog of WR's trying to enter the HoF. I'm legitimately happy he's finally in and his brother got to not only induct him, but inform him Sterling that he finally got in as well.

For reference:
Say what you want about Shannon but you can't deny how great this moment was. He'd been openly opining that he was in but his brother wasn't for years.
 
HackerX said:
On that thought, I'm super curious as to where Dallas's actual value is at. The stats I'm seeing show them as 20-30% more valuable than the next most valuable team, but I'm not particularly sure how that value is derived. I could understand it if this were the 90s, where Dallas was competent and had their branding plastered every which way, but Dallas hasn't particularly felt like "America's team" in forever. Sure, they still get nationally televised WAYYYY more than they deserve, but that shit is artificial. Obv, I've done next to no research and conjecturing this purely through vibe, but it wouldn't shock me if Dallas isn't quite as valuable as everyone makes them out to be.
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I don't know how it's all calculated via markets, etc, but one thing you can find is how much higher The Boys' revenue is than any other team in the league. They make something like $1.1B a year where there are a couple teams that hover around $700M, give or take, and then there is a a steady descent from around $600-500M a year for the rest of the league.

The difference between Dallas and and the next closest in Vegas is $400M. That's 80% of the revenue of bottom earning teams. They have double the revenue of more than half the teams in the league. Even the Pats, who have their own version of Jerryworld and just had the most successful dynasty in history, only make it to the ~$700M mark. Jerry doesn't care about winning. He care's about making money and his team does that for him in spades.
 
break these cuffs said:
I don't know how it's all calculated via markets, etc, but one thing you can find is how much higher The Boys' revenue is than any other team in the league. They make something like $1.1B a year where there are a couple teams that hover around $700M, give or take, and then there is a a steady descent from around $600-500M a year for the rest of the league.

The difference between Dallas and and the next closest in Vegas is $400M. That's 80% of the revenue of bottom earning teams. They have double the revenue of more than half the teams in the league. Even the Pats, who have their own version of Jerryworld and just had the most successful dynasty in history, only make it to the ~$700M mark. Jerry doesn't care about winning. He care's about making money and his team does that for him in spades.
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Interesting. I'm perusing through this https://www.forbes.com/sites/justinteitelbaum/2024/08/29/the-nfls-most-valuable-teams-2024/ , and am curious how accurate non-Packers numbers are. I imagine they're not too far off which leads me to the question of how the hell is Dallas's revenue so he's high? I'm sure Jerruhworld being it's own entertainment district plays a part, but it's just crazy to me that the Cowboys are a hefty step above everyone else.

I get that it's Texas and Dallas being the face of the league, even though the latter hasn't really been true for a while now. Do the Cowboys have that much of an appeal to curbstomp basically everyone else in earnings? Not that any of this really matters, but I'm just interested in what kinda puts Dallas at that level. Especially considering it doesn't feel like there's quite as many Cowboys fans as there used to be. Don't get me wrong, there's still too many and I enjoy watching their hopes get crushed whenever it's "their year", which is seemingly every single year.
 
HackerX said:
Do the Cowboys have that much of an appeal to curbstomp basically everyone else in earnings? Not that any of this really matters, but I'm just interested in what kinda puts Dallas at that level.
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Jerruh opted out of the revenue sharing for merch and sponsorships. Only team in the league that did. They were also the first team to shove a ton of skyboxes in their stadium which is also exempt from revenue sharing.

He's not too great at running a team but he certainly knows how to make it rain.
 
break these cuffs said:
I don't know how it's all calculated via markets, etc, but one thing you can find is how much higher The Boys' revenue is than any other team in the league. They make something like $1.1B a year where there are a couple teams that hover around $700M, give or take, and then there is a a steady descent from around $600-500M a year for the rest of the league.

The difference between Dallas and and the next closest in Vegas is $400M. That's 80% of the revenue of bottom earning teams. They have double the revenue of more than half the teams in the league. Even the Pats, who have their own version of Jerryworld and just had the most successful dynasty in history, only make it to the ~$700M mark. Jerry doesn't care about winning. He care's about making money and his team does that for him in spades.
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Yeah the revenue is higher but what we won't know about is the expenses associated with the Cowboys. The NFL players could have so much more power if they could properly prepare for a contract negotiation due to a lot of owner's having their finances tied up with their teams. If the Cowboys are making 1.1 Billion per year but they have to pay 1 bil in expenses, it isn't that much better. We will never really know how much these teams have with expenses but the revenue is not a big indicator on value
 
DSP's Tax Lawyer said:
The NFL players could have so much more power if they could properly prepare for a contract negotiation due to a lot of owner's having their finances tied up with their teams.
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They would but I don't see it ever happening due to the sheer logistics involved. I'm not sure how you could get 2400 people, not only on the same page, but to willingly sacrifice their short-term window to make money for a long-term win. Especially when the majority of those players will only have a single short-term window and would likely never see the benefits of a proper labor dispute. It certainly doesn't help that the vast majority of players are young nogs and the NFLPA is a clownshow.

On one hand, I can't blame them. You gotta get yours while the gettin' is good. Same reason my views on players holding out (or more recently holding in) changed from "fuck those ungrateful niggers" to this (in most circumstances).

On the other, the issue is kinda indicative of the current generation always fucking the next generation. If the players ever want meaningful change, they're gonna have to make sacrifices of which they'll receive none of the benefits.

Hell, what did the players even "win" in the last deal? Less drug tests, weed no longer being on the drug test, and a lot less practices during training camp? The first two were only issues if you were a retard with no self-control and unable to wait until after a single drug test in the off-season, and the latter has arguably done more damage to the players than it helped. It's why teams, specially offensive lineman in particular, tend to be so sloppy at the start of the season. Not just sloppy, but more injury prone due to lack of conditioning and the reps they used to have before the season started. They effectively traded all that for one of their few remaining points of leverage. (i.e., an extra regular season game)

Now the only bargaining chip they've got left, other than the player's striking, is another regular season game. I'm sure they'll exchange that for the ability to make Tiktoks during games, wear whatever socks they want to want, or some other inconsequential shit. Instead of something useful like more comprehensive health care, an improved penchant, post-career player programs, etc.
 
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HackerX said:
It certainly doesn't help that the vast majority of players are young nogs and the NFLPA is a clownshow.
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Yeah, this is pretty much it. The NFL and NFLPA did get together and try to figure out how much it would cost to give all players lifelong health insurance.

Obviously, it'd be very expensive, and it's a player benefit so it'd come out of their share of revenue, pushing the cap down. So...players were like aw hell nah that ain't happen to me they tryna take away my money

And of course that got dropped.
 
jray4559 said:
Bears fans after 1985 are just never gonna have any joy in life, are they? Do they really deserve constant mediocre QB play for this long? Did someone make a deal with the devil for the 46 Defense?
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Penance for the 84 Bears-Raiders game.

On the Bears side McMahon got a kidney laceration that game, out for the rest of the season.

Raiders' QB1 (Jim Plunkett) was injured so they started their QB2 (Marc Wilson) who gets concussed very early on, he's taken out and they put in their QB3 (David Humm) who gets strip sacked almost immediately.

So then Wilson gets put back in, he breaks his thumb, so now Humm's back in again. Humm gets sacked so hard his front teeth fly out. Next snap his knees get annihilated and that ended his career. Raiders' QB4 is literally their punter and he refuses to go in because he doesn't want any part of that shit.

The Bears sacrificed many QBs on their way to a ring and now they are being repaid in kind.
 
NFLPA scores a touchdown with interim Executive Director!

Apparently this guy was in charge of SAG-AFTRA when An Open Secret was released. SAG-AFTRA threatened Amy Berg to get all mentions of the union removed from the film and then White lied to the board of directors about threatening legal action.

They should just let the mafia run the union at this point. They might actually be able to get something from the owners.
 
break these cuffs said:
NFLPA scores a touchdown with interim Executive Director!

Apparently this guy was in charge of SAG-AFTRA when An Open Secret was released. SAG-AFTRA threatened Amy Berg to get all mentions of the union removed from the film and then White lied to the board of directors about threatening legal action.

They should just let the mafia run the union at this point. They might actually be able to get something from the owners.
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Say what you will about Jimmy Hoffa, but he was no where near THIS corrupt and he actually did care about union workers, a little bit. Not more than he loved the mafia, but it was still there nonetheless. He wouldn't put up with half the shit the NFLPA puts up with if he were running the show.
 
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