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Post Phil Hartman Simpsons is like post Cliff Burton Metallica. They just can't recapture the same magic.

Some people on the old Rotten Tomatoes General Discussion forum pegged the point when the Simpsons started to decline as being when Conan O'Brien left (1993, however, due to the lengthy animation production process, some episodes he had a hand in writing didn't air until season 6, 1994-95) although I think that's a little too early. I'm more of a "decline started in season 8" person, not that I disagree that the decline accelerated after Phil Hartman was murdered.
 
Some people on the old Rotten Tomatoes General Discussion forum pegged the point when the Simpsons started to decline as being when Conan O'Brien left (1993, however, due to the lengthy animation production process, some episodes he had a hand in writing didn't air until season 6, 1994-95) although I think that's a little too early. I'm more of a "decline started in season 8" person, not that I disagree that the decline accelerated after Phil Hartman was murdered.
Honestly, I feel like Season 5 might be the last season to be almost entirely gems in terms of episodes. Seasons 6 & 7 do have their fair share of good episodes, but some of them are weaker than others. Season 8 is more half/half and season 9 is when the mediocre/bad episodes managed to overtake the good ones.
 
Honestly, I feel like Season 5 might be the last season to be almost entirely gems in terms of episodes.

Every Simpsons season, even the best ones, has some episodes I'm relatively lukewarm on.

For season 5, it's "Homer the Vigilante", "Bart Gets an Elephant", and, unpopular opinion time, "Deep Space Homer". (Plenty of funny moments in "Deep Space Homer" but Homer becoming an astronaut pushed the series a little too out of the bounds of believability for me. After season 4's "Marge vs. the Monorail", "Deep Space Homer" is one of the first truly cartoonish storylines they did outside of the Halloween episodes.)
 
Every Simpsons season, even the best ones, has some episodes I'm relatively lukewarm on.

For season 5, it's "Homer the Vigilante", "Bart Gets an Elephant", and, unpopular opinion time, "Deep Space Homer". (Plenty of funny moments in "Deep Space Homer" but Homer becoming an astronaut pushed the series a little too out of the bounds of believability for me. After season 4's "Marge vs. the Monorail", "Deep Space Homer" is one of the first truly cartoonish storylines they did outside of the Halloween episodes.)
I always felt like Season 4 started the cartoonish plots myself, perhaps it had to do with the move from Klasky-Csupo to Film Roman.
 
Honestly, I feel like Season 5 might be the last season to be almost entirely gems in terms of episodes. Seasons 6 & 7 do have their fair share of good episodes, but some of them are weaker than others. Season 8 is more half/half and season 9 is when the mediocre/bad episodes managed to overtake the good ones.
For me in Season 6, it's definitely Fear of Flying. The opening is really strong with Homer getting kicked out of Moe's, but once Marge's plot is introduced, that's thrown away and never resolved. And Marge's plot just wasn't that funny to me, which is a shame because some of the jokes in that early segment are some of the best of the season (like Guy Incognito).
 
For me in Season 6, it's definitely Fear of Flying. The opening is really strong with Homer getting kicked out of Moe's, but once Marge's plot is introduced, that's thrown away and never resolved. And Marge's plot just wasn't that funny to me, which is a shame because some of the jokes in that early segment are some of the best of the season (like Guy Incognito).
Whenever they do those A/B plot type stories, it's always the B plot that goes unresolved.
 
For me in Season 6, it's definitely Fear of Flying. The opening is really strong with Homer getting kicked out of Moe's, but once Marge's plot is introduced, that's thrown away and never resolved. And Marge's plot just wasn't that funny to me, which is a shame because some of the jokes in that early segment are some of the best of the season (like Guy Incognito).
It's a damn shame considering Homer getting kicked out of Moe's could have been tied into the Marge plot a little better (like say, Moe finds out about Marge's problem and in exchange for his help, Homer demands to have his ban from the bar be lifted) than just being left unresolved like it did. Alternatively, it could just be the bar story for the entire episode, as the show was better at handling full "A" plot episodes better than most of their "A/B" plot episodes even back in the early seasons.

Whenever they do those A/B plot type stories, it's always the B plot that goes unresolved.
It got worse in recent years, but as I said, there's more than a few episodes in the earlier ones that had this issue too. Only difference is that the writers back then could easily acknowledge it, try to tie it into the A-plot at the end, or just keep the B-plot a small smattering of gags like the "Homer tries to beat Bart at Video Boxing" plot in "Moaning Lisa" or the Lionel Hutz babysitter stuff and Homer & Wiggum's adventure in "Marge on the Lam". Nowadays it's either a copout, sloppily merged into the A-plot or just forgoten about until the end of the episode or altogether.

I have this same issue with all the non-sequitur first acts in the recent seasons too. Where it's clearly setting up for the main plot, yet does it in a way where it's neither comprehensible or even remotely related to said plot. And most times, there's no B-plot branch off from it because sometimes the B-plot will be wholly unrelated to either the first act or the A-plot.

It's one of the reasons I find the show to be terrible these days outside of the animation downgrade and constant "ARE RE HIP AND RELIANT YET?" references and jokes that show up.
 
How is this still getting such good ratings? Who is watching this every night?
There is that cut Family Guy song from that episode where Stewie becomes president that has a list of people Stewie hates. One of them was "that guy who watched The Simpsons in 1994, and won't admit the damn thing isn't funny anymore."

People like MovieBob basically.
 
Every Simpsons season, even the best ones, has some episodes I'm relatively lukewarm on.

For season 5, it's "Homer the Vigilante", "Bart Gets an Elephant", and, unpopular opinion time, "Deep Space Homer". (Plenty of funny moments in "Deep Space Homer" but Homer becoming an astronaut pushed the series a little too out of the bounds of believability for me. After season 4's "Marge vs. the Monorail", "Deep Space Homer" is one of the first truly cartoonish storylines they did outside of the Halloween episodes.)
I used to dislike pretty much all of Season 1, with Some Enchanted Evening being my least favourite. I found the animation crude, the jokes less funny and the characters weak compared to current Simpsons. But that was when Season 6 was first airing. Now I'd gladly watch nothing but Season 1 over modern Simpsons.
It got worse in recent years, but as I said, there's more than a few episodes in the earlier ones that had this issue too. Only difference is that the writers back then could easily acknowledge it, try to tie it into the A-plot at the end, or just keep the B-plot a small smattering of gags like the "Homer tries to beat Bart at Video Boxing" plot in "Moaning Lisa" or the Lionel Hutz babysitter stuff and Homer & Wiggum's adventure in "Marge on the Lam". Nowadays it's either a copout, sloppily merged into the A-plot or just forgoten about until the end of the episode or altogether.

I have this same issue with all the non-sequitur first acts in the recent seasons too. Where it's clearly setting up for the main plot, yet does it in a way where it's neither comprehensible or even remotely related to said plot. And most times, there's no B-plot branch off from it because sometimes the B-plot will be wholly unrelated to either the first act or the A-plot.
So often, the first act just feels like a weak attempt to pad out a short episode because they don't have any ideas. Or vice versa - they come up with a first-act scenario and can't make a full episode out of it.

Oddly enough, one episode that makes this structure work IMO is Homer Badman. The candy convention bit is only there so that Homer and Marge need a babysitter and Homer has a reason to grab at Ashley's butt, neither of which require that specific scenario. But the jokes in that first act are funny enough that you forgive the silliness of the premise.

I guess ultimately that's the big issue I have with the wackiness of modern Simpsons. The jokes aren't dense or funny enough to make you forget the ridiculousness of the premise. If modern Simpsons did a wacky episode like Marge vs the Monorail, Homer vs the 18th Amendment or Deep Space Homer, they'd just hope the broad silliness of the concept would carry the episode.
 
I used to dislike pretty much all of Season 1, with Some Enchanted Evening being my least favourite. I found the animation crude, the jokes less funny and the characters weak compared to current Simpsons. But that was when Season 6 was first airing. Now I'd gladly watch nothing but Season 1 over modern Simpsons.
I'm glad you enjoyed what Season 1 has to offer.
 
There is that cut Family Guy song from that episode where Stewie becomes president that has a list of people Stewie hates. One of them was "that guy who watched The Simpsons in 1994, and won't admit the damn thing isn't funny anymore."

People like MovieBob basically.


Holy shit, this was a thing! Too bad Family Guy went bad far quicker than the Simpsons. At least with the Simpsons you had around 10 or 12-ish good seasons.
 

Holy shit, this was a thing! Too bad Family Guy went bad far quicker than the Simpsons. At least with the Simpsons you had around 10 or 12-ish good seasons.
Man, cartoon writers love themselves a bit of Gilbert and Sullivan, don’t they just? Although Family Guy is hardly in a position to attack The Simpsons for being past its prime.
 
That's a scene cut from an episode that originally ran in 2007, though, which I guess was still "prime" Family Guy.
Nah, prime Family guy ended almost immediately after it got a revival. As a fan at the time, I also remember seeing American Dad (which came out right about the same time) and thinking it was shit on arrival. The random episodes I've seen over the years have yet to change my mind about either show.

The way I see it, if Seth McFarlane had made a "certain flight", he would have gone down in history as a genuinely funny dude. As it is, he's a hack.
 
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