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Given what I've just read about the heat shield and NASA's insistence on pressing on regardless*, I will be praying for the best and preparing for the worst. Nieces are over at la casa de Beefpile and we will not be watching on the big TV just in case there's a repeat of Columbia.

(*likely so they can get something actually in the air after the Artemis project has begun to resemble the Navy's Dumbwalt or Shittoral FUBAR's)
 
Same. I think the SpaceX Starship has more potential. But NASA is going all in on this one, and if it works, it works. Its also designed to play nice with others. So Starship components can use the SLS and Orion. At a minimum all the space agencies and corporations are working at universal adaptability. Which is critical. If a manned flight runs into trouble, it shouldn't have its crew die because the nearest rescue uses a proprietary docking port incompatible with theirs.
The problem with anything SpaceX/Boeing/private tard company is the absolute lack of anything resembling quality assurance or systems engineering. They are for profit and don't see a problem with a 3% chance shit explodes because who cares about testing the raw materials for purity when skipping that means saving $50k (despite having three rockets explode as a result costs $1.5m). This design model goes tits up when people get involved.

Also Elon should be hung by his toes for hyping up tard circa 2012 for Mars 2025. Look how well that worked out.
 
Doesn't understand capital letters, nor punctuation...your opinion is noted.
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The problem with anything SpaceX/Boeing/private tard company is the absolute lack of anything resembling quality assurance or systems engineering. They are for profit and don't see a problem with a 3% chance shit explodes because who cares about testing the raw materials for purity when skipping that means saving $50k (despite having three rockets explode as a result costs $1.5m). This design model goes tits up when people get involved.
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Also Elon should be hung by his toes for hyping up tard circa 2012 for Mars 2025. Look how well that worked out.
Remember kids the SpaceX Starship has ZERO crew escape capabilities. Of something goes wrong, you're DEAD.
 
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Thank you! I always appreciate when a filthy jeet actually tries.
 
The problem with anything SpaceX/Boeing/private tard company is the absolute lack of anything resembling quality assurance or systems engineering. They are for profit and don't see a problem with a 3% chance shit explodes because who cares about testing the raw materials for purity when skipping that means saving $50k (despite having three rockets explode as a result costs $1.5m). This design model goes tits up when people get involved
The main problem is basic mathematics. You don't actually gain that much when the satellites need to be specialized for a certain roles as they can cost billions. And when you are spending idk 3 billion on a payload there's really little difference between 120mil for what would have been an Atlas V or 60mil for a Falcon 9 (my launch costs may have been off but that's the rough ball park). You can get certain capabilities out of Falcon Heavy, sure we have Europa clipper. Launch vehicles matter in terms of capability, less in cost.

This is why the design method fails, because it assumes the market will grow with cheaper launch vehicles which is an "ehh" because all the hardware for payloads needs to also become cheaper.

Yes, for refuelling or something like Starlink (or even dumb big satellites) you would want something like Starship - if it ends up working as advertised, which is a big if. The Starship has been a farce so far in terms of development and has shown very limited orbital capability. Future versions are meant to improve on this, but it is a big if. Now, this is not to say refuelling won't do a lot. It will, but it is all something that needs to be worked out.
Neither did the space shuttle. Did Orion? Does this thing? Does Boeing's alternative?
The problem with the Shuttle is that it was forced by government pressure into being what it was. But, it did have failure modes. Most them absolutely horrible, but they did exist. The crew of Challenger are believed are believed to have survive the initial catastrophe. The reason they couldn't have survived? No parachutes, no pressure suits and blue flightsuits. No parachutes is obvious, same with pressure given the whole oxygen thing and well, you don't want to blue out in the ocean. Hence the orange shuttle suits.

There are also other shuttle modes that have been performed, Abort to Orbit has been done before. And there were concepts such as Return to Launch Site. The Shuttle can also glide and reduce speed at least allowing a crew to bail out. Albeit, most of the came about because of the SRBs and how you had to basically stick with them. Which, could bring about structural flaws if the Shuttle's main engines all failed. But, there were even abort modes for that. Case in point:

The Split S abort.

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Which yeah, these abort modes are all fucking insane. But at least they could exist, and maybe a chance would exist. This really is not the case on Starship which is reliant on engines out.

And now onto Orion, Orion has plenty of Abort modes. It is a very traditional, safe capsule. This flight is generally one of the safest flight paths possible.

First abort mode, holding the flight. Not going through with it, the second abort mode:

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The third abort mode, the launch escape tower which would fling the craft away. It has been tested multiple times and has been confirmed to work. The fourth is an abort to orbit, which would use either the interim cryogenic upper stage or the service module. The fifth would occur following the ICUS allowing Orion to return with ease. Then, when Orion does it's trans lunar injection it would be on a free return trajectory meaning it will return to Earth without any other burns (but Orion will perform minor corrections on the return leg).
 
The crew of Challenger are believed are believed to have survive the initial catastrophe.
I read the report about that, detailing why they figured they survived the explosion and were at least alive (if not fully conscious thanks to decompression, etc.) upon impact with the ocean. It's hard to get through that narrative with dry eyes. I know they all knew what they were signing up for, but I still feel horrible for them all, and especially for the schoolteacher who was aboard, who probably did not fully understand exactly what risks she was signing up for.

Christ, I can't decide which is worse to be alive and conscious for -- riding Challenger's doomed crew compartment into an inevitable ocean impact or riding Columbia's doomed crew compartment through its mid-reentry breakup. There's recovered video footage from within the compartment by Columbia's crew during that ill-fated reentry. It's horrifying to think they may not had as much "alive and conscious" time between the first "uh-oh" and death than Challenger's crew did. Everything seemed to happy and normal right up until the end of the footage. That's assuming there isn't more footage they've kept private for obvious reasons.

The real reason space flight is so hard and requires so much fuel is the fact that it has to propel the weight of the massive brass fucking balls of every living creature who ever boarded a human-made spacecraft, human or otherwise, by choice or by force, to ride it off the launch pad.

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Then, when Orion does it's trans lunar injection it would be on a free return trajectory meaning it will return to Earth without any other burns (but Orion will perform minor corrections on the return leg).
Oh good, glad they've kept that practice from the Apollo program. That method's about as tried and true as it gets thanks to 13's applied tests.
 
At this historic time, I was recommended on youtube JFKs Rice University speech. Still inspiring even today, and a bit melancholic given recent poor progress. I imagine Trumps speech after the launch will be less inspiring, but I'll leave that particular politisperging for another thread.
I really do hope it goes well, and I hope in 2 years I see man on the moon, and in the years beyond that I see more even greater things that have never been done before. I have my doubts, but I still hope.
 
They won't land on the moon because its a luminary made out of plasma. Fly-by mission my ass, first moon mission in ages and they schedule it on April 1st, one day after troon visibility day. The earth is a flat plane and NASA is one of the worlds biggest scams. Wake up globers.
 
I wonder how you live a Collins. Like, dude was the most alone anyone has ever been. And he didn't even get to go boots down. And that's what these four have to look forward to.

Like they're getting to do shit that almost no one gets to do, but they don't get to lob golf balls on the moon.

Or even sneak a sandwich. Because that's been done.

Still, it would be so fucking cool to break the karman line.
 
Let's see, we got a Baltimore Hon, a Californian Coon, a Michigan Yooper, and Canuck Halfbreed manning the helm for the first Moon passover since Nixon was in the White House. Suppose we got to give the snowbacks something to finally be proud of in exchange for Alberta later on down the line. In all seriousness, I hope this mission goes well, and we can be well on our way towards actually establishing that titular Moon base we've been promised over the past few decades. As someone who used to be obsessed with the Apollo program back in my youth, along with the concept of space travel in general, it would be nice to give a new generation of Americans something to remind them again that the stars belong to them, and that we still have another three centuries of unbelievably extraordinary accomplishments to achieve as we celebrate our nation's 250th anniversary.

It's kind of funny, since the 1969 Moon landing was during a time when the United States of America was embroiled in a conflict, political strife was abundant, and the Presidency was rocked with scandals. All we need to complete this 1970s rerun is for disco to make a comeback with the Zoomers online. An unironic and honest prayer to the crew of Artemis, may their slingshot around the Moon reignite the spark of hope within a trillion more Americans to keep our God-given, Manifest Destiny, going until every planet in the Milky Way galaxy is waving the good old Stars and Stripes forever.

🇺🇸 God Bless the United States of America 🇺🇸

 
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