The Trial of Derek Chauvin - Judgement(?) Day(?) has arrived!

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  • Guilty of Murder

    Votes: 75 7.6%
  • Not Guilty of Murder (2nd/3rd), Guilty of Manslaughter

    Votes: 397 40.0%
  • Full Acquittal

    Votes: 221 22.3%
  • Mistrial

    Votes: 299 30.1%

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    992
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I believe they have to prove it was done with a depraved mind for 3rd degree murder. (Like saying get in the car while on his neck for example) Manslaughter is like unintentional murder or accidental negligence. Something along those lines.

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609.195 MURDER IN THE THIRD DEGREE.​

(a) Whoever, without intent to effect the death of any person, causes the death of another by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life, is guilty of murder in the third degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 25 years.

(b) Whoever, without intent to cause death, proximately causes the death of a human being by, directly or indirectly, unlawfully selling, giving away, bartering, delivering, exchanging, distributing, or administering a controlled substance classified in Schedule I or II, is guilty of murder in the third degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 25 years or to payment of a fine of not more than $40,000, or both.
 
Interestingly, with drugs and intervention like this, cardiac events are very survivable. You know what's not? Drug overdoses, especially when there is no immediate diagnosis indicating naltrexone/Narcan.
My belief is that Floyd died of an opiate overdose that was misdiagnosed and as such he did not get appropriate acute treatment. Your mileage may vary.

I think this is going to be a cornerstone of the defense. When the cops tried to put him in the car, he looked like he was freaking out on an upper and not a downer. Not a junkie, don't play one on TV, but junkies don't usually try to fight four cops at once.

In either the Keung or Lane body cam, you can see flecks of foam around Floyd's mouth when he's walking to the squad car, and one of the cops, I think Lane, asks while they are pinning Floyd what kind of drugs cause nystagmus. One of the cops responded that PCP can cause that.

While the MMA guy was testifying, they played the part of the video where Thao is seen telling the crowd, "Don't do drugs," and everyone in the crowd is like "Aw hell naw" because there was only one bystander there when Floyd was fighting four cops at once, and they couldn't see from where they were standing that Floyd was still struggling when he was on the ground.

Then, when Floyd is in the ambulance, which you can see in Lane's bodycam video, there's no point where the EMTs even consider the possibility that he's OD'ing on opiates, and I'm sure any ambulance crew in this day and age passes out Narcan like it's going out of style. Of course resuscitation efforts are going to fail if the underlying opiod overdose isn't addressed.

Interestingly, the defense's opening statement also said that Floyd's nose was bleeding before they got him on the ground, and the attorney attributed it to Floyd banging his face against the plexiglass in the squad car, but if I were the defense, I might also float the theory that his blood pressure was through the got dam roof and he popped a blood vessel in his nose, which then smeared on the plexiglass. The autopsy doesn't seem to mention any injuries to the nose.


For the people talking about whether or not he could breathe, the prosecution's opening statement said that they would be calling witnesses to educate everyone about agonal breathing. (But instead they called a witness to say that Chauvin had Floyd in a blood choke and that killed him. Whoops!)

Not to keep harping on the point, but the prosecution needs one very clean narrative about what happened, whereas the defense is free to argue that he was both freaking out on meth, triggering a blood pressure spike and subsequent heart attack, while also arguing that he was OD'ing on opiods, triggering respiratory depression.
 
True but not necessarily relevant. CPR massively extends the possibility of survival from a drug overdose or cardiac event. Floyd was in an automatic CPR device the whole way to the hospital, where he continued to be worked on until it was clear it was hopeless and he was called. Interestingly, with drugs and intervention like this, cardiac events are very survivable. You know what's not? Drug overdoses, especially when there is no immediate diagnosis indicating naltrexone/Narcan.
My belief is that Floyd died of an opiate overdose that was misdiagnosed and as such he did not get appropriate acute treatment. Your mileage may vary.
People who say this have no clue how fetty works lmao. To actually croak you need to be out cold for at least three hours... and he'd be nodding hard even off the meth.
 
Unless he and his entire family up to 4 generations and every single White person's involved is sentenced to a public execution via 1000 cuts, the mob won't be satisfied and will riot.

Hell, they'll still find a reason to riot even if that was the case. Why let the facts impede a good flat screen TV?
Heaven help the cities if there's a new set of Jordan's being released soon. "Chauvin or no a nigga gotta get his J's know what i'm sayin'? Wurlll Staaar!" And the Footlocker market had just started recovering...
 
What has been alleged so far is that the cop killed the dindu by asphyxiation.
Now how do you get to 'guilty' when you have the reasonable doubt created by high levels of drugs in the dindu's system, that can cause asphyxiation?
Could the recovery position and CPR have saved his life? Maybe. Is that maybe enough for an actual charge?
 
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I believe they have to prove it was done with a depraved mind for 3rd degree murder. (Like saying get in the car while on his neck for example) Manslaughter is like unintentional murder or accidental negligence. Something along those lines.

Yeah, so the defence just needs to paint the officer as being a normal wanker, rather than the demon cop that every black community appears to deal with or see, and its a clear cut win. Makes no sense to go third degree in attempts to actually convict, if it sits, then it just goes to show a broken system looking for a body for the pier, rather than a case being concluded.
 
Dude, that's what the brass sipping coffee 100 miles away from the frontlines wants you to believe.
I’m sure there’s other ways to confront adversity than either direct assault or fleeing. Either way, what’s the brass going to do when say 40% of the country starts to openly rebel? Either you get overwhelmed or you completely cull your workforce and infrastructure to the point of collapse.
 
What has been alleged so far is that the cop killed the dindu by asphyxiation.
Now how do you get to 'guilty' when you have the reasonable doubt created by high levels of drugs in the dindu's system, that can cause asphyxiation?
Could the recovery position and CPR have saved his life? Maybe. Is that maybe enough for an actual charge?
you get to 'guilty' by letting both the judge and the jury know that they'll face violent reprisals otherwise
 
Could the recovery position and CPR have saved his life? Maybe. Is that maybe enough for an actual charge?

No, it could not.

I'm obviously talking about the case where someone says they can't breathe for several minutes at a time, especially when that person was saying that before they were even on the ground. They probably should've gotten suspicious when Floyd went quiet, but that's neither here nor there considering the prosecution is talking about a 'blood choke' and not an 'air choke'.

Which do you think is more likely - that the suspect that has been resisting arrest this whole time because they are a junkie suddenly actually is having a medical emergency, or they've just realized that their tantrum is going nowhere? Which assumption is less dangerous to the police and bystanders? Or...

👮‍♂️ "Oh no, he said he can't breef and now he stopped wiggling! Quick, uncuff his hands and turn him over on his back, literally the easiest position from which to escape a pin!"
🐵 "I dun fooled yous! DIE HONKEY PIG DIE!"
👮‍♂️ "I was literally trying to save your life arrrrrggggggg......."

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What has been alleged so far is that the cop killed the dindu by asphyxiation.
Now how do you get to 'guilty' when you have the reasonable doubt created by high levels of drugs in the dindu's system, that can cause asphyxiation?
Could the recovery position and CPR have saved his life? Maybe. Is that maybe enough for an actual charge?
It really doesn’t matter because the narrative is already spun that the county autopsy is fake to cover for the police’s actions. Anything dealing with drugs will be dismissed as forged evidence by the general populace.
 
People who say this have no clue how fetty works lmao. To actually croak you need to be out cold for at least three hours... and he'd be nodding hard even off the meth.
Junkies can (and have been) found dead of heroin overdose after loosening the cincture but before removing their fit.
Fentanyl and carfentanyl don't get some kind of free pass, considering their far more powerful effects.
 
The fact the Floyd wasn't a felon, despite the picture some people in the peanut gallery are painting, will play into this case. The fact the Derek Chauvin had killed a civilian before will play into this case.

Sad to see so many of my fellow Americans going to bat over the State's ability to handcuff and lynch a man, using the tropes right wing media moguls have parroted for years and years. That all black people are running around on drugs all the time and din du nuffin, on top of the clear lack of knowledge about how drugs affect the body and how people act when they're on them. Typical drug war shit.
 
The fact the Floyd wasn't a felon, despite the picture some people in the peanut gallery are painting, will play into this case. The fact the Derek Chauvin had killed a civilian before will play into this case.

Sad to see so many of my fellow Americans going to bat over the State's ability to handcuff and lynch a man, using the tropes right wing media moguls have parroted for years and years. That all black people are running around on drugs all the time and din du nuffin, on top of the clear lack of knowledge about how drugs affect the body and how people act when they're on them. Typical drug war shit.
The state's argument is that the cop put this dude in a position the guy requested, and in doing so killed him by letting his diaphragm compress and suffocate the man.
That's your "handcuff and lynch".
 
Junkies can (and have been) found dead of heroin overdose after loosening the cincture but before removing their fit.
Fentanyl and carfentanyl don't get some kind of free pass, considering their far more powerful effects.
You'll pass out with a needle in your arm sure, but to actually die from an opiate you need to essentially suffocate which takes a while. And during those couple of hours you can be brought back with nal. That's why there's people who've been narcan'd ten times... It's not something that's quick onset. Even when completely opiate naïve people kill themselves with fent they don't suffocate die that fast. Either way I think trying to claim that he had a sudden onset fent OD while a cop just so happened to put him in a blood choke is braindead :/ the meth use heart attack is more plausible tbh.
 
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